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Today was the first real test for Quinn. He had a real training camp, he got plenty of reps with the first offense, he got some solid play from the offensive line and the running game. So what did we get?
Jack-squat. 
Lemme tell ya sumthin'..........All the game-management and mobility mean crap if you don't know where the ball is going, and so far in his NFL career, Quinn has no CLUE where the ball is going past the fifteen-yard mark.
I'm not going to call for Quinn to be benched or suggest we have to draft a new QB yet, but if Quinn doesn't show at least average NFL accuracy by the fifth or sixth game, I want him benched. This is his third NFL season. By this point, he either has "it" or he doesn't. I can EASILY forgive lack-of-experience mistakes with such things as failing to read a proper defense or holding onto the ball too long. Those are the mistakes I fully expect Quinn to make over the first half of this year. However, lack of experience won't make you INNACURATE, and that's what we've seen from him so far in his career.
I supported going with Quinn because Anderson didn't beat him out in camp. I also supported Quinn because we paid a high price to get him, and we need to see what he's got. Most importantly, I supported Quinn because on a team that isn't ready to contend for the division title, I recognize the importance of letting him learn on the job. HOWEVER, if he can't develop even marginal NFL accuracy, then he's a wasted selection and investment. If that's the kind of accuracy he's shown in practices, then Mangini may have made the wrong choice and should have gone with Anderson. At least his accuracy exists downfield. No team is going to fear anything Quinn does past the "dink/dunk zone" so they are gonna cram the box.
To me, he has about four or five games to show REAL accuracy, not this inflated BS accuracy that guys like Tim Couch were able to fool people into believing he had.
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Throwing salt on the wound, I think Sanchez had a pretty good day today ...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'm not sure our guy is currently on the roster...
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I'm with you Toad. Quinn sucked today. He didn't make those "rookie mistakes", but instead had terrible accuracy. He made some great reads, and audibled to effective plays. But he couldn't hit a receiver to save his life.
I hope a lot of it has to do with the Vikings' defense, but I'm not optimistic right now.
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Mangini may have made the wrong choice and should have gone with Anderson. At least his accuracy exists downfield. No team is going to fear anything Quinn does past the "dink/dunk zone" so they are gonna cram the box.
To me, he has about four or five games to show REAL accuracy, not this inflated BS accuracy that guys like Tim Couch were able to fool people into believing he had.
What was his accuracy today? he basically threw two yard passes all day. It looked a lot like Frye, except Quinn had a running game early and an O-line, but couldn't use it to his advantage...which is what scares me.. He did not look like the great decision maker, the QB with all the Moxxy and Pocket awareness that people claim..
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Can we give him at least 10 starts before we throw dirt on him?
Jesus, some serious overreactions on here from a QB in his fourth start. If he shows no improvement, then we can throw dirt on him. He made some brilliant reads, though, he has the mental side down. Just needs to get more crisp on his execution.
you had a good run Hank.
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Can we give him at least 10 starts before we throw dirt on him?
Jesus, some serious overreactions on here from a QB in his fourth start. If he shows no improvement, then we can throw dirt on him. He made some brilliant reads, though, he has the mental side down. Just needs to get more crisp on his execution.
I did notice that just about everytime he audibled to a run, Lewis ran off like 5 yards. I thought that was a positive.
But the inaccuracy ... if it was due to nerves, we're probably ok ... if it's just that he really is that inaccurate ... 10 games, 20 games, 30 games ... won't matter ... it won't change anything.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I don't know if he gets 10 ...... but he certainly should get a few more starts before people start piling on.
I came away from today's game extremely unimpressed ..... but it was 1 game .......
After 6 games or so we should have a better body of work to examine.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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He was unacceptable today.
Absolutely unacceptable.
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This QB crap has plagued us far too long!
If any combination of those two don't produce this season I'd jettison one or better yet both just to be done with it and draft a guy.
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I think that's not even enough. People are ready to pull the plug on him, but does anyone realize we already know what we have on the bench? Anderson is good for two turnovers a game at least, a total inability to audible, work from the shotgun, or run a redzone/two minute offense. I guess can't see how this team benefits at all from Anderson playing over Quinn.
Quinn had a rough day, but he also had Royal and Edwards pulling their usual crap out there. The fumble was bad, but the intangibles were starting to show today.
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lets not forget the biggest negative to the QB competition when we jugde him.
He didn't get the reps we really need this pre season. We probably gotta count this one and next week as warm up games in a way.
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i was hopeful with some of the throws in the preseason but i'm not surprised by his outting today. quinn took some shots and got happy feet. hell, he frye'ed a pass and fumbled.
the pass the edwards laid out for, that sure looked very familiar. i remember a lot of posters here giving another qb a LOT of crap about inaccuracy with that play against cincy in 2007. looked very familiar.
that said, my biggest problem is we have wr's for a reason. they are NOT decoys. i understand the need at times to checkdown to the runningback or throwing to the TE but we had receivers dammit and they need targets. edwards is not gonna have a pro bowl year with 2 or 3 targets, of which, were thrown behind, under, or over him.
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I think that's not even enough. People are ready to pull the plug on him, but does anyone realize we already know what we have on the bench? Anderson is good for two turnovers a game at least
oh you mean the int and the fumble? one, two.
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I'll go ahead and jack this thread up...
It's not Mangini's fault.. It's Savages fault..
He should have gotten Peterson/ Quinn... not Thomas/ Quinn... lol..
I'm jealous... Will I ever get to see the Browns beast in the running game?? The aspect of football that wins ball games...
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Do you care about anything other than the skill positions? Give me a break.
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I'll go ahead and jack this thread up...
It's not Mangini's fault.. It's Savages fault..
He should have gotten Peterson/ Quinn... not Thomas/ Quinn... lol..
I'm jealous... Will I ever get to see the Browns beast in the running game?? The aspect of football that wins ball games...
Don't be foolish. If Peterson was the difference between a winning team and what we are now, the Vikings would have won a SB by now.
you had a good run Hank.
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Do you care about anything other than the skill positions? Give me a break.
I'm not going to debate w/ a guy who has 3 OFFENSIVE LINEMEN in his sig...
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Exactly. I understand the important part of the team.
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Well we can't stop the run, AGAIN. and Quinn looked like a rookie. JMHO
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I thought Quinn should start, but his accuracy scared me today.
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I thought Quinn should start, but his accuracy scared me today.
Ditto.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Well we can't stop the run, AGAIN.
They had 13 rushes for 43 yards in the first half and the TOP was 16 for us, 14 for them... in the second half the TOP was about 20 for them, 10 for us.... nobody can stop AP forever and that's what our offense asked our defense to do.
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Well we can't stop the run, AGAIN.
They had 13 rushes for 43 yards in the first half and the TOP was 16 for us, 14 for them... in the second half the TOP was about 20 for them, 10 for us.... nobody can stop AP forever and that's what our offense asked our defense to do.
Had the O contributed ANYTHING, we may have seriously challenged if not won this game outright!
We'll see this play out more than once this season.
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Sure Quinn didn't look to good today but neither did the play calling, I saw many of the same plays over and over, and the defense sniffed it out plus Quinn's interception was Braylons fault, Quinn threw it to the spot that Braylon was supposed to be in but instead Braylon decided to make his own route. Another thing that i picked up on that lasted the whole game was Mack's slow as hell ball snaps and very high shotgun snaps that just adds another element to the mess. It's too early to tell yet if Quinn is the guy or not, yes he didn't look like it but the play calling didn't do anything to help change the game either. Had Braylon stuck with the route he was supposed to run and made that catch this would've been a totally different game, after that INT the whole game changed in the Viking's favor.
The play calling on offense pretty much gave me flashbacks of Maurice Carthon
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Exactly. I understand the important part of the team.
Won't argue that point.. but we need playmakers besides o-linemen.. We got rid of Winslow.. have an aged Lewis at HB... inexperienced QB... and a lost Braylon Edwards...
We could have an all NFL offensive linemen cast... put whoever you want at each o-line spot... You STILL need guys that can get between those two cones and put 6 on the board...
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I thought Quinn should start, but his accuracy scared me today.
Anyone who watched that game should be scared by Quinn's accuracy.
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For some reason.. since Tim Couch.. I've been scared of ANYONE who threw the ball for the Browns.. even DA in 2007.
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I'll start by saying Brady looked bad. I won't say it was inaccuracy as I saw quite a few drops. I saw him start to force it late in the third. I saw him hesitant to go up field most of the game...however, I don't know what WAS up field as the TV locks in on the QB plus he was under pressure most of the day. I saw BE still in a funk. Had he re-established himself in bounds he would have had a TD. But BE doesn't think during the game. I saw HORRENDOUS play calling on O. Are we ever going to get an O-coordinator that can out guess the D? That has some imagination? Or was it all Quinn checking down too damn early? I didn't see any throws to Furry or Cribbs most of the game. Was MoMass even on the field? It looked like our game plan was to run on the one of the best run D's in the league  Was I imagining that? Was it too many bloodies early in the morning?
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Knew this thread was coming. Why don't we wait a few more weeks before evaluating him? Quinn has a huge salary escalator in his contract after he gets so many starts. The week before he hits that we decide if he is worth building around or if he is garbage. Splitting reps during training camp didn't do Quinn any favors.
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I saw BE still in a funk. Had he re-established himself in bounds he would have had a TD. But BE doesn't think during the game.
Dude, you have GOT to be kiddin' me with that?!?! 
You think Edwards actually had time to consider whether or not he should re-establish himself in bounds, choose to do it, get both feet in, THEN reach for the ball.
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Is this thread a joke?? Give the guy some time...you certainly gave your guy enough time, didn't you?
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Dude, you have GOT to be kiddin' me with that?!?!
You think Edwards actually had time to consider whether or not he should re-establish himself in bounds, choose to do it, get both feet in, THEN reach for the ball.
reason why they need to edit that rule.. Edwards was progressing in bounds to catch the ball after the pass interference, its not his fault he couldn't plant his other foot before he caught the ball...
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Worse than a rookie, I'd say. There are some starting that looked much better today.
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I thought Quinn should start, but his accuracy scared me today.
Anyone who watched that game should be scared by Quinn's accuracy.
Or his 59% completion percentage in college.
I believe we went about this thing all wrong. I'm hoping to see Anderson back in there. I wanted Anderson to win the job but I also wanted to see what Quinn had. I think I have seen it now and it is not very good so far.
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how many teams have a different head coach this year?
Growing pains for us.. the Chiefs.. who else?
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Is this thread a joke?? Give the guy some time...you certainly gave your guy enough time, didn't you?
My "guy" is starting for the Packers right now.
Setting that aside, how much time does a QB need to learn accuracy?  Besides, I think giving him four more games to show he can throw a spiral and not a Charlie Frye Wounded Warbler, nor a Garo Yepremian backwards-forwards pass is plenty of time. All the time in the world is just wasting it if he can't throw accurately past fifteen yards half-way through his third year in the NFL.
Any diggin' through the various threads will show I wanted a fair QB competition, and that after the second game, it was time to name Quinn the starter. However, it only took a few games to recognize that Charlie Frye wasn't accurate enough past fifteen yards to know he was a bum. Well, I'm giving "Looks like Tarzan, throws like Jane" just that much time before I throw the rest of the dirt onto him.
Fry....er....Quinn will be the first to admit he's well-deserving of whatever criticism comes his way. Let him earn the scrutiny and either figure it out or sink under it.
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Give me a break.. I mean Quinn. You can't be serious. He just had his first start as THE Starter. Last year he came in when the team was in shambles... I suppose DA would have been better in this game? I saw Quinn flinch every time the ball was snapped because the Right Side was an open runway. I saw him struggle to catch bad snaps all day. I watched WR's and TE's drop or NOT catch several balls that they should have caught. Quinn sucked today, I'll give you that, but this one game was not THE TEST. Sure if he continues to look like this for half the season I'll be right there with ya, but not now... I've never known you to have such a knee jerk reaction toad... are you getting your meds on time? 
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I changed my Michael Jackson sig..
Can you atleast edit yours.. Winslow got a new contract.. and he's no longer a Brown..
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I can say with an absolute straight face that I believe that 100%. He certainly couldn't have played any worse.
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