DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Maybe Mangini and Co. made a mistake at QB....

Let's put DA back out there because "we know what we have in Quinn."

Yeah. Ouch, huh?

clicking on ya rabbit. ya wittle wascal.
oh I could not resist.

Anyhoo.... Just once, I'd like the Browns QB position settled. Hopefully BQ improves week by week and by mid-November these QB debates won't be as prevalent.

Too many people focus on the offense..if they see how a team is put together , they should already know the right side of the line is weak.
And it needs time to work together although thats not gonna make it stronger, it needs talent over there.
But what I'm concerned about is the defense ..especially our DB's not being either capable or willing to put a solid lick on a RB in the open field.. it's been mentioned we need physical corners/safeties..

I agree on the defense. But what's really scary is that our D *can* be a beast- but they relax and/or give up way too easily. They held AP to 25 yards in the first half, then let him go nuts for a buck fifty-five in the 2nd? WTF is that?

The Vikes passing game was there in the first half, but nothing above average. All of a sudden, in the second half, every friggin' pass play is a 1st down.

Everything changed as soon as Quinn threw that horrible INT. It's like the defense saw the turnover and said "That's it. Why try?"

This team needs to LOSE that dejected, things-are-hopeless attitude they get when there's a big momentum swing. They've been doing this for years now...

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Four games is not a large body of work

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J/K not directed at anybody, just a general statement.

With many Browns fans, if after 4 games you havent won us a Super Bowl borken all of Joe Montana's, Steve Youngs & Dan Marino's all time records, your a piece of ...........and should be benched or traded.....this thread is unbelieveable, no wonder some players dont wanna come here to play,


This thread plus a couple others, 1000% proves to me, Browns fans have become the biggest group of whinners in the NFL.

Just my opinon and I'm entitled to that

nrtu rish....

j/c on a bunch of things stated at this point. I personally agree exactly with Knight of Brown's assessment on Quinn from the last page. He would be dynamite in a WCO...but we dont have those tools here. WE dont run that kind of system.

We have players that fit Chud's chuck it down field ball...and even the new guys we got support a QB that throws the ball downfield.

I'm willing to give Quinn a few more games to prove he can throw the ball downfield but, if he doesnt show he can...theres no reason to keep him on the field. Now...this doesnt mean, I'm giving up on Quinn as a QB...but i am saying that if he doesnt show he can stretch defenses to open up our running game, that he isnt going to learn to do that as the year goes on. Maybe he'll try...but if he has to "learn" to do that as the year goes on...we're in for a much bigger learning curve and much bigger problems and way more losses while he learns that because he is going to make way more mistakes than a typical QB.

This is a team that can surprise people, and with a generally light schedule we can win some games here. Thats why I think Quinn should have a very short leash. Because if he shows he can win games here this year...then we need to see if Derek Anderson can win games here with this system and these players. And if he cant...with the system and the players we have here...thats ok...and we draft someone in April. Thats ok with me. But Quinn shouldnt be given this super long leash and plenty of time to prove he is an NFL caliber QB in Cleveland.

We have a team that can win games. Period. We have a stout receiving corps that can get us points and yards. We have 3 RBs that when healthy will be able to get us yards. JL looked very solid against a very stout Vikings D, and a defense that kept us in the game for a while until Adrian Peterson became Adrian Peterson because the D was on the field too long. We need to find a QB that can win games...with the team we have on the field right now, because its doable. If Quinn cant do it...fine, lets try someone else. and lets try it before the season is lost. Then if DA falls just as hard...fine. Then we play Ratliff and let him get experience so he can be our backup in the future and draft someone in April.

This give Quinn time thing...is eh. I dont care for it. Each of our starters have been in the league for long enough that they should be able to succeed immediately. We cant look at Quinn and say he doesnt have enough experience and blah blah blah...sure he doesnt. But Tony Romo didnt when he started, and nor did Brady, nor did Luke McCown, nor did Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, Kelly Holcomb, Tim Couch, Aaron Rodgers or any QB when they started. Even Matthew Stafford is going to be expected to win games.


And thats what I think about that...and i dont think im wrong, because Sunday proved that we have enough talent to win...We were in the game until our QB blew it. thats how we lost this game.


Now...the other thing i dont understand.

DA has proven that he doesnt have it? when??

in 2007 he threw 29 TDs, 14 INTs and our team with less talent won 10 games.
in 2008...the trainwreck season for every unit and every facet of the organization he still threw 9 TDs and 8 INTs and he had a streak of 180 passes without an INT...which was his big knock. If nothing else...DA was improving and becoming a legit NFL QB and we stunted it by thinking Quinn was going to do better. That being said. Romeo Crennel created that monster by not putting his faith in DA....by not making it very known that DA was the guy. Savage did well by giving him a put up or shut up contract. but Crennel folded under the public opinion and that was bad. I was a part of that...but looking back...that wasnt a good decision.

but...thats the thing...its not over for DA. If he gets the chance to go back out there, he will be fine. and he can stretch defenses, which will give our running game the lack of attention it needs to succeed.

It surprises me that Mangini has missed this dynamic that DA fits this team better. I dont by any means think Quinn is bad...but he requires a different team makeup than we have. Our defense is complimentary to a solid offense. It cant stand on its own the full 60, like we saw last game. If we have an offense that scores points...we can be in it.

Lets put DA in the game and give his usual stat line. 2tds and 1 or 2 ints. That takes us from 20 to 27, and we have the same amount of turnovers...but, what the does do...is forces Minnesota to throw the ball more often and doesnt allow AP to get as many carries, and it forces a higher tempo game. Thats what DA does. And that will make our defense that much better...A high tempo game is what the Cleveland Browns need right now, and that isnt Quinn. Quinn will be fine...rather, he will be very good, when you can grind it out and impose your will on our opponents. DA will fit our team.

I somewhat strayed. When did DA show he doesnt have it? That he couldnt beat out Quinn? or Frye? he showed why he is better than Frye...and now we have a similar QB in Quinn (not talent wise...and definitely not brains wise....but, in terms of the style of football played).
Was it when he was a Pro Bowl alternate on a team that won 10 games?
was it when he battled back from a concussion and still went 180 throws without an int (his biggest knock)?
Was it that we had a coach that tried to make him a QB he wasnt?
Or was it really just that he couldnt beat out a good QB in Quinn at being a complete QB? Quinn and Anderson were in a dead heat at being a complete QB...
I cant see when he proved he doesnt have it.

He never had a full year...
He never had a full TC and offseason as The Guy
He never had a coach that had confidence in him
He never had a fan base support him (beyond the 8 games when he suddenly became a bum because our coaching staff didnt adjust and DA didnt have the complete game to adjust either)


but my points.

We have a team...that if the QB cant win now...(because theyve both been in the league long enough...regardless of actual starting experience) we dont need to keep them in and keep playing them. We have enough talent to win games. and we need to search and find a QB that can win. Whether its Quinn, DA, Brett Ratliff, Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, some other FA QB that will be an FA next year...or a QB to be traded for...then thats fine. Lets go find him. But if Quinn doesnt show it soon...bye. and if DA cant do it either...bye. and let Brett Ratliff get experience to be our backup.

I could be wrong, but I really think it's gonna take more than 1 game for Quinn to find his feet this year.. Not going to get concerned until week 3.. if after that game, he's still making dumb mistakes and throwing bad passes.. Then I"ll begin to worry..

Not yet however...

I think it's ridiculous to bring this up after one game. People who were playing it close to the vest certainly are showing their cards earlier than I thought.

I'm willing to give him a number of starts before I start saying this was the wrong decision. In fact, even if Quinn ends up sucking it was the right decision. Anyone with half a brain who doesn't have an agenda knows the answer isn't Anderson. So, we have to know what Quinn has before this team can move forward.

It was the correct decision no matter how this works out.

At least it gives the Quinn haters a place to get their jollies....not that they haven't done their thing in every other thread.

I really expect better from you, Toad.

I expect this kind of thread of dong and django. But, you?

It was one game. Hell, I'm sure even Peyton Manning had games where he was inaccurate

He has shown above average accuracy in limited time, up until Sunday. How about giving him a little time to show that Sunday was the exception, not the norm?

I don't believe Toad was advocating getting rid of Quinn or anything. The take I got was that if Quinn continues to play the way he did in Game 1, by game 5 or 6, we have to start wondering if he's ever going to improve or belong on this team.

I know that makes sense to me. Now, if he's improving on things but still struggling a bit, then I'm more lenient. But if what we saw on Sunday against the Vikings is what we can expect from him, then we have big problems with him.

Frankly, I think he will improve. And I think starting him was (and remains) the correct decision. But I don't want to keep playing him as our QB even if he's stinking it up game after game just because.

Maybe The Bears and Co. made a mistake at QB....


Cutler - Sub .500 completion, 1 TD, 4 INT and a 43.2 QB rating....


They gave up two first rounders for that????? OMG

You know, there were a lot of QBs that looked pretty bad. Cutler didn't look great, and Rodgers didn't really light things up for the most part. Brady looked shaky for a while, too. And, let's not forget Delhomme and his 712 turnovers. I mean, who is Carolina's backup QB? Does anyone know?

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in fairness, i was for quinn starting. i was coming around to it when i saw him make some decent completions to the receivers in the preseason. that said, that doesn't change the fact that i can have an opinion of him and till now, that opinion hasn't been proven wrong. as i've said, it all goes back to the 3rd preseason game in 07 when he started against the winless lions. the bad throws in that game were still there on sunday.

now, have i called for quinn's benching? no. i said he clearly gets more games. do i think DA could've done better? yes. i have *preference* and i have *opinion* but i do NOT have an *agenda*.

the panthers just signed aj feely.

Please..there are some of us who are objective ..and not too quick to praise or headhunt..

'79 seems to post good sound things...Me...I want to see what the kid will do..as I said ..give me game 6 ...just like I say all other seasons.. game 6 usually tells me everything I need to know..if the kid is still imploding, then I know what needs to be done..
But if he rebounds and improves from here till end of the season, then it's not lost at all..and for him he has to be better than just good..and like I mentioned in my post, he didn't look erratic like that last year nor in preseason...

they doubled olsen all night. who was cutler going to throw to?

HOMER!!!!!!!!!

Amazing how U can honestly say the Vikings are not a better team..and expect anyone to buy that.. Flip the script and say right now which team would you want to see in a Browns uni???

Not hard for me to say...Vikings..with their unit minus a few players I'd take them in the AFCN right now and that team would be a match for Pukesburgh and Bmore...
The Vikes are clearly a better football team ...it showed when it counted..

You're so angry till you have left your sense of logic..this ain't about U having rose colored glasses on.. it's about U going to any length to try and prove a point ...U need to stop with some of these remarks..

those other HOFer's can only be called rusty because we know for a fact what they play like week in and week out.

not so with our domer....maybe this is the norm? doubt it, but we better figure it out before week 6.

well in case you missed it, olsen was doubled all night. he is their starting TE and by far best playmaker. the two starting wrs were...a former cb learning to be a #1 receiver and the other was a second-year vanderbilt receiver taken in the 3rd round who didn't play last season. forte had a productive catching season last year (but we know what happens when you can only dump it off to the rb ) and desmond clark, their TE2, was out with an injury.

this doesn't excuse his performance but it's context for the poor night. he was playing with a pretty bare cupboard.

Strangly similar to Cleveland won't you say?

Braylon didn't look great. #2 WR is a College QB turned Return Specialist turned WR. #3 WR was non-existent. Best offensive Weapon was Royal at TE and he isn't that great. Offensive line on the Right side is a complete joke and Running back is a vet on the downside (who I thought played very well) and a rookie who was just in a car accident and did nothing in the game.

But Brady with all that was suppose to play perfect and since he didn't we have threads already declaring it a mistake.

Now, All I am saying that this is premature, Quinn COULD be a bum but can we at least give him half the season before we talk about this??