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braylon looked fine but you're making a half argument. neither of us saw the bears game but like toad said, cutler's proven he is successful and he's proven he connects down the field accurately.

we watched quinns game and he hasn't proven he connects down the field. and i'm not talking about 20-30 yards down the field. i'm talking 10-15 yards down the field (the 18 yard pass to royal in the first quarter was a thing of beauty, though, and remains the one positive i hold on to) to his WIDE RECEIVERS. it's not a matter of whether our receivers had any catches, it's that he didn't throw any balls to them and when he did, they were way off.

now to note, no one and that includes me, is calling him a bum and no one is saying he needs to be benched. we're merely pointing out the shortcomings that are appearing, coincidentally the shortcomings were supposed to be *strengths* over the previous qb. the only thing i'm going for is, if people were going to ream DA for his perceived shortcomings, those same people should expect an upgrade on those areas since, in their eyes, they claimed quinn was leaps and bounds better. that hasn't been the proof yet and there needs to be consistent accountability. instead, what i see is everyone willing to throw every single person in the organization under the bus before critizing quinn which in stark contrast to last season when everything was DA's fault first and no one else's (well possibly with exception to rac).

And what makes U or Toad think me and anyone else who is watching Quinn doesn't expect to see a upgrade in the things he is supposed to be better at????

because you didn't comment or acknowledge how there was clearly no upgrade in the first game.

we can *hope* there will be in the future but as of now, there has been none.

Oh so now I have to validate what U want me to say??
Am I supposed to say: "'Same ole Quinn?"
Same as what?
Do I sound like some freaking puppet to U?
I said what I felt needed to be said..and I'll repeat to U...he looked rattled to me..he did not look that way last year nor preseason..one game does not summerize it ..I need to see a body or work.
He's got this season to show he's it or he's out..DA had 15 games to show it...actually it was shown to everyone by midseason once his strengths were accounted for..

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braylon looked fine but you're making a half argument.

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False start penalties and blocking in the back look fine?? What's a half argument?

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cutler's proven he is successful and he's proven he connects down the field accurately.

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But he had time to prove that and I'm pretty sure he had bad games in Denver as well but the main point is he had a lot of talent around him to make up for any mistakes he may have made.

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now to note, no one and that includes me, is calling him a bum and no one is saying he needs to be benched.

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Thread title = Maybe Mangini and Co. made a mistake at QB....

What does "made a mistake at QB" mean then? It doesn't really sound to me that the TS(toad) thinks Quinn is going to be any good.

Quinn has had four starts.

1) Denver looked pretty good, defense lost the game.
2) Buffalo, looked poor. Had a lot of pressure the whole game including getting injured on a rush up the middle that was non-contested.
3) Houston, looked poor. Injured finger from Buffalo game had to be removed from the game and season was over due to needed surgury.
4) Min, looked poor.

Can we talk about his future and the future of the qb position at least around game 6. That's all I'm saying.

This tread is premature, it may be correct, but it's premature IMO. That's all.

By game 6 we'll all be able to see a body of work and if he's getting comfortable or not..if he's improving on this accuracy thing or not..
Thats what I'll do regardless ...by then he and the core of recievers should be on the same page..I guess if you can call Cribbs a reciever...

And I've said many times that if he continues we will know what direction we need to go. And that is either getting Bradford or McCoy next year in the draft. But I'm at least going to give the kid a chance to see.

no, i'm merely answering your question. if you can't call quinn out on an innacurate outting, wehther you believe it's his norm or not, that was my point. a poor, inaccurate outting is still that, even if you don't think that's his normal game. it was a bad game and when he makes the same poor throws that YOU, specifically, have chastised DA for, my point is i expect the same accountability. difference between you and someone like diam, is that, even though he has unrealistic expectations from quinn, if quinn didn't match them or even come close, he'd let quinn have it on this board. after the broncos game, diam and i were the only ones who said he didn't play nearly as well as he should've.

freeagent - if you want to bring up the broncos game, i'll point to one thing that was telling then and just as telling now, as it was repeated against the vikings. when we were down by a score late in the game with, what, a minute left, what did he do? did he try to win the game or did he dink and dunk the clock away? let me show you:

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Cleveland Browns at 01:14
5-M.Prater kicks 48 yards from DEN 30 to CLV 22. 16-J.Cribbs to CLV 33 for 11 yards (46-S.Larsen).
1-10-CLE 33 (1:14) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass short right to 80-K.Winslow pushed ob at CLV 42 for 9 yards (51-J.Winborn).

2-1-CLE 42 (1:03) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short right to 80-K.Winslow.

3-1-CLE 42 (:58) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short middle to 29-J.Wright.

4-1-CLE 42 (:54) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short left to 80-K.Winslow.

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http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008110600...post-playbyplay

THAT, at this time, is my ultimate problem with quinn. he, at this time, will not win me a game. we are not a team that needs a qb to not lose, we do not have an eagle, steeler, raven, vikings defense. until quinn can make all the throws, which he hasn't been able to yet, he can't win me a game and i don't want an offense led by someone who can't score when he needs to. until he proves me wrong, and i feel like i need to reiterate every single time that i want him to prove me wrong, my opinion of him won't change.

Ya know it would pay U to read posts before U clamor Ineed to say this or that..
This is my quote from Tabber's game day thread..

"Yes Quinn stunk, the playcalling stunk, the execution stunk, and the stats stunk. Anybody surprised isn't paying attention. 44 preseason plays only to be thrown against a premier defense is gonna make a QB look real bad. That was EM's choice. This is the result. But giving Quinn 100 plays wouldn't have mattered in the long run because we were not gonna win this game. He might be a little further along, but not enough to carry them for a win."


And what I expect U to do is look at my posts before U poke your chest out..I enjoy caving it in..

You showed me where he had 9 yards on the first down and threw short on the next three downs trying to pick up the first? You do realize the Broncos were in prevent and wasn't going to get beat deep? And Quinn had a 14 point lead in the game and the Defense couldn't hold it. Just like the week before when Anderson had a 13 point lead and the Defense couldn't hold it.

oh i read your post and i was hoping you'd allude to that one in response. everyone here read your post.

no mentioning of inaccuracy. no mentioning that he missed edwards on the slant, overthrew edwards and underthrew him, on what ended up being exact mirror results of anderson throws that you latched on for the past year as to why DA sucked. instead, you offer excuses. you blame the playcalling and you even go as far as to say "well, we weren't supposed to win that anyways so eh."

it's so funny that the broncos defense had the 30th overall defense, was running a prevent d, and you didn't expect quinn to tear it apart when...well whenever we ran a prevent d, it cost us everything. remember the playoffs vs steelers? what did we run that cost us the game, with one score on the line? the prevent d. are you saying we shouldn't expect quinn to be good enough to beat a 30th ranked prevent d?

That's cuz Botch Davis started playing the prevent in the 3rd quarter and the Steelers dink and dunked there way back into the game?

Quinn played fine (last year against Denver). In the end he didn't do enough but the next week when he wasn't playing well he still did enough to win the game.

Would you guys just give it up already, you sound like a bunch of bickering school girls arguing over who has the nicest prom dress. sheez.


Your arguing the same points over and over, claiming the other doesn't know jack, while claiming you know exactly what the other will respond. it's all getting a little old.

This is where U sound foolish...I didn't have to say he was inaccurate in that post..I said he stunk ...I don't make posts to appease other people..If you really were able to break it down on your own , playcalling was a seperate issue I called out..and had nothing to do with Quinn's performance..
I didn't remark on the INT which was Edwards fault..but I knew he made the mistake by turning the route in instead of out..or did U know that?

And btw the Browns weren't supposed to win..they were not favored were they???
I say this ...Didn't see the crispness I saw in preseason--no flow from huddle to LOS. Few solid look-offs, hesitation, not the confident demeanor and command he usually gives off.
So what does that prove?
After the first game it only bears watching for improvement..
This is how short your memory is..after DA took the helm in 07 against the Steelers, I didn't say anything except we'll see what he has next week..
I'm going same route with Quinn..
I'm not ready to fall off the ledge like I see others doing this week..well , maybe yall should then the forum will clean up next week