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Maybe this is just the high school coach in me coming out, but I have a major problem with the way our team is being built.

Since the return, we have not had any sort of philosophy at all. We try to be a jack of all trades team, but we don't have the talent.

Can someone please come into this organization and say, "We are a throwing team. We are going to draft linemen who are pass blockers, receivers who can stretch the field, and a running back who is fast, shifty and can catch. This will compliment our throwing scheme. We will throw the ball 65-75% of the time."

Or, on the other hand, they can say: "We are going to run the football. 65-75% of our plays will be on the ground. We are going to draft linemen who can grind the ball with a running back who can pound it. Our receivers should be able to run crisp routes and catch the ball, but the most important aspect of their game should be blocking on the perimeter."

This might be predictable, but it establishes a backbone.

I heard Mangini say on the pre-game show that we will change our philosophy based on the team we are playing. I hate that approach.

I felt against the Vikings, we were picking random plays out of our playbook with no rhyme or reason why. No philosophy at all.

Beef up the right side of our OL, get some pass rushers. I think you have to be a defensive team, and offense always revolves around your OL. We have half an OL, and our biggest weakness on defense is no passrush.

completely agree with you. to be fair, mangini is playing with someone else's deck right now. the starters acquired in the trade are defensive and in think on that side, we're seeing some mangini ball. he tried to have his olinemen beef up but it's clear we have a pass-blocking oline right now.

I understand the turnover, but we haven't had a coach come in and say, "We're going to run it, so in order to do that, we're going to do this, this, and this."

I would like to see a coach COMMIT to the run. I'm talking give one back 25-30 carries a game. This would give Quinn the best chance to succeed with his style of play.

Get a big, bruising line and a franchise back to run behind it. Get a QB who can effectively manage a game on a run-first team. Build an aggressive, attack style defense and pressure the QB constantly to allow for easier coverage. I don't understand why it's been so difficult for those running our organization to realize that this is a run-first city and that they need to adapt their style to Cleveland, not the other way around.

This is EXACTLY my thoughts on how to build a great offense in Cleveland. If we commit to this mentality, I think Quinn could be our guy for years to come.

Your RG & RT are curiosity of Gini

well i think we would've started hadnot if he were available and unfortunately with st clair, we're replacing crap with crap, lol.

This is game one under new management...the "philosophy" must be "patients" at this time.

It can be very ugly at the beginning after major changes are made...we should know that, we have been through it enough times...I know fans are disappointed...but try to have some patients.

How in the hell can you have a philosophy while still being behind the expansion 8 ball?

How long did it take Tampa, the Aints and Atlanta to even start to have winning seasons? The Texans came in one year after us IIRC and they still have not gotten to the playoffs.


It seems like every time a hole gets plugged, another appears.

Example: KW2 was set to be our TE for years. A broken leg, motorcycle accident and staph infection later the FO tries to get something for him while they still can. Soon we will need a starting TE because Royal and Heiden can only hold down the fort for so long.

Now the DL looks solid for the first time, but now there are holes in the secondary and we need a ILB that scares people. Our OLBs are not producing a pass rush. McDonald = nickle and what about a SS that can cover and stop the run?

The middle and left side of the OL finally looks solid after the LCB debacle,but now that Tucker is prolly done for good, we need a RT and arguably a RG too.

Lewis will be done after this year most likely. We will need to spend a draft pick,but how high of a pick when we need so much else?

Braylon either needs to be signed or get something of value b/c that will be another hole that needs filled.

Folks, we are playing whack a mole. Either that or the boy at the dike trying to plug holes

We can't replace lost free agents, old players or busted draft picks fast enough.

My philosophy, get some good players

A philosophy is not something that you make over time, its something you commit to from day one.

If you have a solid philosophy, it should be apparent from game 1. I know from this game our defensive philosophy is to create pressure on the QB by giving several different pre-snap looks. We want to create pressure by forcing teams make a mistake up front and let someone go free.

Offensively it looked like we were picking the plays with our eyes shut. I'm surprised we didn't punt on first down a couple of times due to our OC randomly pointing to "punt".

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They have: "Find new and different ways to suck consistently."

We had my philosophy 2 years ago.

Power running game with a passing game that attacks down the field.

I have really, really learned to hate, loathe, and despise the dink and dunk crap that accomplishes nothing.

A 15 play drive is 15 opportunities for something to go wrong. You want to be able to grind those out to ice a game ... but you have to attack to get to that point.

4 Head Coaches, numerous OC's and DC's and GM's..

And you wonder why there is no philosophy? There really can't be when you change leadership as often as we have.

I often wonder, What would have happened had we stayed with Palmer and got him some decent players for him to coach? we'll never know for sure.Our serious lack of a GM killed this club and put it so far behind the 8ball that even with perfect drafts and perfect hires in the coaching ranks, it still is killing us.

Given that it's manginis first year, in fact only one game, I'm no going off on him... let him work it out..

Oalmer's philosophy was summed up by him as "You win by running the ball, but you score with the passing game".

I think he is trying to establish a philosophy. In the draft and in free agency he went after highly intelligent players. That was the theme. Sounds like he did that so they can be highly adaptive game to game. It's a process let it play out.

Now if I was the owner I would be playing a one gap downhill defense that was strongest through the middle. Super talented DL first priority, smart fast FS second priority then LB and DB.

On offense I'd be a ball control, run centric team built for bad weather. A physical team with a physical running game that used play action for big plays. Dominant LT first priority, then OL, then big time fast TE to break the Cover 2. Then QB, RB and lastly WRs.

Cleveland football would be physical football. Football where we control the LOS and the DL is constructed as the primary playmaker not the LBs. The FS could roam and if they were smart enough and talented enough could cause a lot of turnovers.

On offense be prepared to go up against a team that can lay the wood. Once we had 8 in the box consistently then play action to get them off kilter. Run when 7, pass when 8, but demand that they account for our running game first.

That's the kind of football I enjoy and I think the City of Cleveland would enjoy.

This 3-4 two gap read and react defense is just not my cup of tea. Yes I know that many have used it successfully but it's not my philosophy.

Also high octane, risk/reward vertical passing offense is not my cup of tea either.

But being able to run, when the other team is full sell out to stop the run and they are powerless to stop it??? That's the best brand of football out there IMO.

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Now if I was the owner

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Well, I'll throw in $500 if you throw in the other $800 million........

Pesos?

I vote for the "Run and Shoot" !!!



Let's bring in Jerry Glanville as a "consultant" and get some good sideline quotes and put some points on the board !

It loses, but it scores points, and is fun to watch!

" This is the N.F.L., which stands for Not For Long, when you make bonehead calls like that." Jerry Glanville.