DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Brian Daboll, our offensive philosophy, and the WCO

Bingo.

Haha...sorry I should have elaborated.

And it is an insult to those suffering with Tourette's to compare it to the playcalling we have seen these past two weeks...we aren't THAT pathetic lol.

Anybody catch playbook on NFL network last night? They went over some of the Browns offensive plays, they pretty said alot of plays, not all, that Quinn has nowhere to go with the ball.

Brian Bolldinger claimed that the route selection by Daboll was as bad as seen in an NFL team in awhile, probably meaning since Mo Carthon.

The first pass play in Denver after the fumble, we ran triple 8 yard curls, all the corners sitting on the play.

This guy needs to be fired, now.

Interesting. as that's what I have been wondering. Mangini said this week there were open guys out there, but how often?

Our WR corps at the moment is thin, like our RB corps and the OL's right side.

Well since we always bring in OC's who are new to the position you think one would get it right ..but it doesn't happen..I really wonder what these guys are thinking because this crap doesn't work..

What is even more disturbing is that Mangini seems unaware of the fact that he is on some pretty shakey legs right now.

If he blows it here, he'll have no shot at another HC gig. Not with the kind of press he's getting. I just can't believe that the best he can come up with is Brian Frickin Daboll.

What is with it with the inability of the sports teams in this town to pull the trigger in a timely manner when everyone else in the free world can see it's the right thing?

I just don't get it.

Didn't some on here hail Carthon as a genius?

Like most things revolving around us FANS...YEP, its been two games.

Time to FIRE THE OC...he sucks

Right now for me I was dissatisfied with the WildCat up on the Goal Line.

I don't know if he was protecting his OC but Mangini stated that was his call not Daboll...Either way I didn't like it.

But all the rest falls under EXECUTION. Possibly without showing teams our Offense - ahem - "OVER THE YEARS"!!!! There is no need for all the diverse looks to avoid game planning. I do think we need to start the season in K.I.S.S. mode and work our way up...EXECUTION. So possibly an error in that effect by our NEW OC. Outside of that I really don't see "HORRIBLE" play calling.

After all its not Dabolls error to call a hitch route for Cribbs only to have him not adjust it to the situation that called for 2 more yards to have a first down!

Our new OL is not that sharp...we are missing Tucker a lot more than credit is given...08 Tucker was out except for ONE GAME the Giant game...coincidently so was our OFFENSE!

07 Tucker was a good part of the Offense (even though his end was in the 2nd half) our OL played well.

Big loss for this team.

Screens you got to catch teams in blitz packages and over playing the rush....most are getting too much pressure without Blitzing.

Denver? We tried a screen to the left and got very little actually I think we got a decent loss.

Execution - not the play calling. It just makes me laugh to hear some of the criticism. Come on...Raise your hands. Who here has called plays in a game day situation? Yes, there are errors but nowhere as many as you all profess.

Right now I'm questioning Daboll in getting the Offense executing...not what play he calls. But its understandable that an O takes time to gel.

JMHO

Daboll has no experience, its shows bigtime. Our formations and sets give away what we are trying to do.

OC's job is to put the offense into a position to succeed, Daboll isnt doing that. The triple curls, 5wide all slants point to a guy that doesnt know what hes doing, he was a QB coach, still looks like one.

Execution is certainly a bigtime part of why we are not good, but Daboll has alot to do with it, alot. This offense has enough issues talent wise that it cant afford a lame brain OC that tells defenses what hes doing by his sets.

We don't run screens, we dont run play action out of running formations, we have the same 5-10 plays that we continue to run over and over, vanilla routes, and passing plays.

Against the Broncos we continually lined Vikers out wide, and then motioned him into the backfield and ran weakside off that motion, over and over....hhhhmmmm. I'm not an NFL OC, nor have I ever called plays for an NFL team, but even a dumb fan like me can see that is stupid....so whats a DC sitting up in the box gonna think?

Sure the team could execute and score a TD on any play, if its all execution, you dont need an OC, just let some fan in the stands scream out a play, and the offense should just "execute it". Run a sweep, every play, afterall the offense should just execute, even if the defense knows whats coming...

Daboll is not putting this offense into a situations where its easy to execute, it would be nice if the defense had even a little doubt to what we are doing. I can only imagine what NFL DC's can do by watching game film from us.....and what will happen this sunday.

Watching talking heads break it down, they are right about Daboll, as much as they are right just about every year with the Browns. He stinks, and he is leaving an offense with some holes out to dry.

This is the same BS arguments that floated around this board when Mo was here "execution"....put the offense into a position to execute and then we'll see.

Triple 8 yard curls from the 25 after a fumble is a lose, lose...there was no play to execute for Quinn because the corners were sitting on the routes. Thats just one example of many to how an OC can cripple and offense, its not just execution.

I am not blaming one person for lack of offence. I still think Daboll is leader he needs to make sure he gives this offence chance to succeed. If there is any truth about him being lame and not adjusting plays as per situations, it’s going to be visible in future.

Its sure that he is struggling as his offence and QB, they all need to show some improvements in next few games

You might be right on the quinn part, i'd have to watch the play again. Personally I dont get the triple curl call especially that early in the game, you're hoping the D is going to be in an unbalanced zone or create a mismatch. On that play the D gobbled it up perfectly, had we just had ONE of those curls going elsewhere I bet we see a much easier completion, maybe with some yac on it.

Even if the play had someone open especially early, to back up Quinn on this one usually your curl route timing is gonna come on the break or as a dumpoff... I think the OC made a bad move going vanilla O versus vanilla D

Brian Daboll never should have been named the OC, the guy had "0" experience at that capacity, we don't need anymore failed experiments we need guys that are proven. Daboll's playcalling has been more predictable than Maurice Carthon's playcalling and I'm no expert and I can figure out what there gonna do before the ball is snapped, and that is unacceptable at this level. I hope this guy resigns or gets fired soon because he's not helping this team one bit.