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Or...at what point do we need to pull him?
Good question.
I pull him when he either just blows up, which I hope and don't think will happen...OR...if he has generally played lack luster ball and he nears that 70% of snaps mark.
I don't want to see his salary go towards elite qb money if his play is on a sub par level.
I guess that would be after game 7-8 just to provide a little cushion.
Aaron Rogers sat his first few years and ended up doing a great job when he finally got his chance. If Quinn is a elite level player, he can do it as well.
That doesn't mean we have to win to be able to tell he is playing well, so the record can't be the determining factor.
I don't need records or stats to be able to tell who is a player and who isn't. Just watching the games will tell us if BQ is a elite level player or not.
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Its worth noting that many talented quarterbacks had weeks (statistically) worse than Quinn. Delhomme and Cutler threw 4 picks each; Palmer, Bulger, Warner (among others) had lower QB ratings. Its also worth nothing that those teams lost 
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Bernie Kosar went to the AFC Championship game 3 out of 4 years in the late 80's and there's a few people who still seem to like him.
In Bernies first year in 10 starts, his completion percentage was 50% and his TD to INTs as about 1:1, his YPA was 6.4 and he was 4-6 as a starter...
In his second year he showed progress and his numbers were a lot more respectable but still not stellar... as we developed a potent rushing game and one of the leagues best defenses.......
with this crowd today, I'm not sure Bernie would have survived to go to ANY AFC championshp games. We would have had people all over the internet bashing his footwork, bashing his mechanics, bashing his arm strength.. none of which were all that good... I can see the November 1985 posts now.. "Yea it's great that he's smart but if you can't move around and get the ball down the field, what good is it? He's certainly not Dan Marino or Joe Montana or John Elway... Should we be looking at Jim Everett in the draft?"
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Lets say we go to re-evaluate the situation at game 6...or...whenever we decide we need to make a decision on Quinn. What does our record need to be for him to stay in...at say game 6. Or...at what point do we need to pull him? 1-3? 0-3? 2-4? 1-5?
It's not entirely the record..thats not what you look at in this case..U look at his body of work...because it's either going to be one of three things..
He's progressing
He's regressing
He's inconsistant...up one game or down the next..or up and down in every game..
The record is going to depend on every unit..not just the QB..
Kingcob : "Its worth noting that many talented quarterbacks had weeks (statistically) worse than Quinn. Delhomme and Cutler threw 4 picks each; Palmer, Bulger, Warner (among others) had lower QB ratings."
Oh but it's not worth noting to this bunch..why?
Can you say two-faced???
For years when there was a QB debate those with sound arguments always pointed out other QB's who struggled early in their careers,and they felt that was a legid point to bring up(which it is) but in this case , this bunch of people will say it's a excuse..or they'll throw some other remark out to discredit that...but it is a valid point..
I don't care whether anyone else agrees or not, I need this season to see what Quinn has and if we need to move on..if he's as good as billed we'll see it..if he's a bust we'll see it..and move the heck on..
This is for anyone saying I am making excuses..first I don't make excuses..I point things out regardless of the mindset of other posters..Nobody's denying he's starting his third year, just as you can't deny he has all of four starts under his belt.
I've no problem of being critical of Quinn's performance. But let's see what happens over a month or two before coming to any conclusions..
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with this crowd today, I'm not sure Bernie would have survived to go to ANY AFC championshp games. We would have had people all over the internet bashing his footwork, bashing his mechanics, bashing his arm strength.. none of which were all that good... I can see the November 1985 posts now.. "Yea it's great that he's smart but if you can't move around and get the ball down the field, what good is it? He's certainly not Dan Marino or Joe Montana or John Elway... Should we be looking at Jim Everett in the draft?"
People need to read this 2 or 3 times. Then most of you need to shut the hell up and watch some games before you open your pie holes. On both sides of this debate.
Thanks, DC, for injecting an ounce of common sense into some of this nonsense.
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I'm sure that if, when the dust settles on this season, we have a .500 record, a Pro Bowl TE, a couple 1000-yard rushers, and a QB who looked like the man, anyone who was questioning whether or not Brady could get the job done will happily admit that he could and that their fears were assuaged. Until that happens, he's going to face scrutiny and criticism if he put up craptacular games like his showing this past Sunday.
People can say all they want that there were other QBs that had bad weekends as well, but the difference is that those QBs (Palmer, Bulger, Cutler, Warner) have proven track records of success at the professional level. Brady doesn't (he also had a passer rating in the 40s going into the last drive of the fourth quarter).
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ITS ONE FREAKING GAME!!!!!!
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ITS ONE FREAKING GAME!!!!!!
True. It's far too soon to declare the sky is falling. There will be a few who will complain no matter what. That's just the nature of Football in Ohio.
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People can say all they want that there were other QBs that had bad weekends as well, but the difference is that those QBs (Palmer, Bulger, Cutler, Warner) have proven track records of success at the professional level.
The U don't need to say anything much..because thats the point...no one knew what type of careers those QB's were going to have until years later..and they pretty much sucked early on..
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with this crowd today, I'm not sure Bernie would have survived to go to ANY AFC championshp games.
Apples and oranges, considering each player came to the league with a different number of starts out of college, was a different age, and sat a different number of years learning before playing.
Would the scrutiny have been the same? Yup, but that would have gone for any QB.
The intelligent critics would have been able to see whether or not the mistakes made were because of lack of experience or lack of ability.
It's perfectly fair to be critical of what we've seen from Quinn during his third year in the NFL. The trick is to make sure we know we're going to continue to be fair not only with the criticism, but the praise as well.
We don't know exactly what we have in EITHER QB, so to talk in absolutes is, IMHO, selling ourselves, and the players, short.
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You could say that they all sucked early on. Wouldn't be true, but you could say it.
If Brady Quinn's first season as a starter is similar to Kurt Warner's first season as a starter, you won't find a happier Browns fan on the planet than me.
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Those QB's discussed as having a bad game or two, they are "justified" in this by the fact that they have shown good performance in the past.
Perhaps something like a 29 TD season.
Quinn has yet to do anything to justify his lack of performance. i would agree he might get better.
IMO, DA got hosed by the fanbase because he raised expectations of getting to the playoffs, and narrowly missed it. However, he DID in fact show good performance in many games. Few seem to agree that he, too, might get better. 180 throws with no INT would seem to be an improvement.
BQ, to date, has shown no flashes of excellence, he does not seem to be able to show the strong accuracy and short game he is supposed to be very good at. IMO, he has not earned much time to prove himself, while DA has.
The choice was obviously a close call, from two different coaching staffs now. I believe fanbase attitude may have been a deciding factor in a close race. Not BQ because fans want hm, but BQ because he will not be hissed and booed for each early mistake. DA could throw 3 TD's, then throw 1 INT and the crowd would be chanting for his head. Sure, a pro plays through that, but it must reach a point where it happens again and agian and the QB begins to loose focus, rhythm, confidence, whatever. For a streaky QB like DA, I think the effect of this negativity is more than average.
I wish we had never drafted Quinn. Instead get another OL, LB, or RB and let DA go at it uncontested. Without the great white hope waiting in the wings, I think there would have been less negativity.
What I really do not get is how people will seem to be happier with Quinn throughut some .500 or even losing seasons than they were with DA at 10-6.
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Those QB's discussed as having a bad game or two, they are "justified" in this by the fact that they have shown good performance in the past.
 U totally missed the point...didn't U? Did anyone know after their first game or first season (if it was shaky) that they would go on to be pro bowl QB's??? Thats the point..no one can say Quinn is a bust or he's a waste after last weeks game, because if thats the case it should have been said last year after his first start ..right?
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I guess I was responding more to the earlier statement than to what you were saying. Regarding last weeks performance for Cutler, among others, as opposed to comparing first year versus later years. Although, this is year 3 for Quinn.
But then, for DA, AFTER his first year starting being a Pro Bowl year, he is being called a bust in reference to a few performances that were a bit sub-par.
Yep, he was an Alternate. He played in the game, he was in the Pro Bowl.
Did he have a great game? No. See the reference to Cutler made previously.
29 Tds in one year. I thnk he can do it again.
Why is it that DA does not get the slack that BQ is getting?
Why is BQ Assumed to be the better QB when he has yet to show it on the field?
IMO, its a classic "grass is greener" thing. DA was not the second coming of Johnny Unitas, so BQ just has to be the better QB.
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IMO, its a classic "grass is greener" thing. DA was not the second coming of Johnny Unitas, so BQ just has to be the better QB.
If you know something isn't the answer to your problem, you move onto the next thing in the queue to find out if it might be the answer.
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I guess I was responding more to the earlier statement than to what you were saying. Regarding last weeks performance for Cutler, among others, as opposed to comparing first year versus later years. Although, this is year 3 for Quinn.
How many snaps did those guys get prior to their third year?
DA got to play a whole year..even though I knew what type of QB he is..and I'm not wrong..he is exactly what he was at Oregon St...gunslinger..I know what he is from his body of work..it hasn't changed...
I have yet to see a full season from Quinn so dispite what he did at ND I have to see him work at the pro level..
Now this is you and all others who want to say be fair..I said two years ago(to Diam) that I had issues with Quinn's accuracy @ND...there were times I could not follow where he throwing to..was it a misread?
Did the wideout run the wrong pattern?
So thats what I want answered..is he truely inaccurate or is it just a occasional errant throw?
Will he improve?
DA has already answered those questions for me..and to add something he still has problems reading coverages..
Whatever happens I will not do what I know at least 5 posters will revert to..I will not say KoMan should have taken Sanchez...the Browns need to know what Quinn is about..and they really needed the extra bodies that trade gave them.
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nrtu...
I'm not sure if this was brought up...but I feel like it had to have been, but i didnt read it yet. What if...the script was completely flipped? What if DA was labeled the starter and he laid a stinker like he Quinn did. Point is was the uproar would be incredulous. Now...i understand that DA has been a starter before and that it would be unacceptable. I think though....at this point, with both QBs having time in the league, that it is put up or shut up time for Quinn.
Neither QB was drafted or brought in by this regime, so theres no ties. Neither QB has any reason to be given any longer leash than the other because theres no loyalty to either. I'm absolutely not calling for Quinns head. but...i think that its time for him to win, or go away. And when our next guy starts...be it DA or even Brett Ratliff...its win or dont start here anymore.
While our WRs may not be elite, we have enough talent that we can be successful throwing the ball. We have enough talent (well great scheme work) on the defensive side to keep us in games.
My point is....and I would really like it if this thread was kept on here is that its time to perform or go away. And some have kept it on topic and thanks, but i dont want this to be a debate on whether or not Quinn has it. Thats been past done to death.
Its when do we decide he has it or doesnt. Many have said if he shows improvement he can stay and thats all well and good and makes complete sense.
Lets redirect this thread...what are these improvements? or...how many stinkers is quinn allowed? or how many 3 & outs? or how few throws to WRs? or...what is the breaking point? or what is the staying point?
Dont speculate on whether or not Quinn is good or not...we all know how everyone feels about him through these threads over and over. Specualte on what needs to be done, for him to remain starting QB. I think thats a legitimate debate. is it premature? you bet...but you better believe that Mangini is thinking...ok...if Quinn keeps doing this, he will not keep his job...so he has to do this this and this to remain starter...thats kind of the debate, i was hoping to see...can we keep it on that please?
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I wish we had never drafted Quinn. Instead get another OL, LB, or RB and let DA go at it uncontested.
When we drafted Quinn, DA's career numbers (for 3 years)were 66 for 117 with 5 TDs and 8 INTs... so you're telling me at that point you didn't think we needed a QB? 
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Lets redirect this thread...what are these improvements? or...how many stinkers is quinn allowed? or how many 3 & outs? or how few throws to WRs? or...what is the breaking point? or what is the staying point?
Those can't be answered until we see what transpires..who's really at fault.
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Oh, you actually read this thread, I was talking about how the post count goes up almost as fast as the national debt clock, while I refresh the topics page. 
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Up to this point, BQ has been given almost the exact same opportunities (# of starts, snaps in training camp) that DA had at the beginning of his 3rd year.
I just want the people who think Quinn should be given a whole year of starting, no matter what, to answer this question:
Is it unreasonable to expect BQ to put up similar #'s (they don't even have to be as good) to DA's 3rd year within the next 3-4 games? I say no!
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Those QB's discussed as having a bad game or two, they are "justified" in this by the fact that they have shown good performance in the past.
U totally missed the point...didn't U?
Did anyone know after their first game or first season (if it was shaky) that they would go on to be pro bowl QB's???
With the guys being discussed...Warner, Bulger, Cutler and Palmer? The answer is a "yes" to the first two, and a "probably" with Palmer and Cutler.
Cutler: 5 starts, 2-3 record, 1001 yards, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 88.5 passer rating
Palmer: 13 starts, 6-7 record, 2897 yards, 18 TDs, 18 INTs, 77.3 passer rating
Bulger: 7 starts, 6-1 record (left the 7th game injured after going 1/1 passing), 1826 yards, 14 TDs, 6 INTs, 101.5 passer rating
Warner: 19 starts, 16-3 record combined regular and postseason, 5400+ combined passing yards, 49 TDs, 17 INTs, 100+ passer rating, regular season MVP, Super Bowl MVP
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Is it unreasonable to expect BQ to put up similar #'s (they don't even have to be as good) to DA's 3rd year within the next 3-4 games? I say no!
Actually, yes it is completely and totally unreasonable.
There is a different offense, different coaches, different receivers, different OLine, different opponents.... and they are two totally different humans with totally different playing styles, strengths and weaknesses.
You want the same numbers? Then make everything else the same... then you can get your silly apples-to-apples comparison. Until then, it is a garbage expectation to want the "same numbers". Receptions, yards, etc... are all completely worthless as anything more than symptoms and they are so reliant on the performance of so many other parts that it is complete folly to use it as a measuring stick for a single individual - much less across completely disparate years where absolutely nothing is the same except some meaningless things like team names and colors.
There actually is one number that Anderson had in his 3rd year that I expect Quinn to have this year, and that is the only number I care about: 9 -- number of wins.
All the other numbers aren't worth the bandwidth it takes to view them.
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How many snaps did those guys get prior to their third year?
DA got to play a whole year..even though I knew what type of QB he is..and I'm not wrong..he is exactly what he was at Oregon St...gunslinger..I know what he is from his body of work..it hasn't changed...
I have yet to see a full season from Quinn so dispite what he did at ND I have to see him work at the pro level..
Now this is you and all others who want to say be fair..I said two years ago(to Diam) that I had issues with Quinn's accuracy @ND...there were times I could not follow where he throwing to..was it a misread?
Did the wideout run the wrong pattern?
So thats what I want answered..is he truely inaccurate or is it just a occasional errant throw?
Will he improve?
DA has already answered those questions for me..and to add something he still has problems reading coverages..
Whatever happens I will not do what I know at least 5 posters will revert to..I will not say KoMan should have taken Sanchez...the Browns need to know what Quinn is about..and they really needed the extra bodies that trade gave them.
That is a completely unfair assessment of DA. If you're going to base your view of DA on his college years, then you have to hold BQ to the same standard. Using your grading system, you'd have to say that we know what we have in BQ already as well. From what I've seen, he looks the exact same as the guy who couldn't win a big game at ND. He get's flustered by pressure, as in college. He isn't very accurate, as in college. So how can you at one end say "be fair" and at the same time say, we still have to see what BQ has. At the pro level, DA took a team with very marginal talent, to the brink of the playoffs in his first year as a starter. And you're ready to let that go? If you are judging DA and saying that he is what he is in college, then you have to realize that he also took some very marginal Oregon St. teams to impressive bowl wins, and even further than that beat BQ head to head in the 04 Insight Bowl. In that game he threw over 300 hundred yards and 4 touchdowns if I remember correctly. When you add that DA lost Steven Jackson for his senior year and still posted impressive numbers, then you'd have to say that he does have "something". The Browns can win with DA. I'll take his A game over BQ's any day of the week. DA does have flaws, and does need to learn to read coverage better. But I'd rather have a QB who has problems with zone because when teams start that, it opens up the ground game. When the ground game is rolling, teams have to run blitz and it opens up the passing game in the form of one on one coverage outside. Look at the first have of last year's Dallas game. The cowboys stacked the box in the first half, and DA was finding deep targets in one on one coverage. Drops plagued him that game. And the other thing that has plagued DA, was the photo of BQ wearing a browns UNI as a child. BQ has the "awwwww, how cute" factor, but he doesn't strike me as a true football player. Sure he has the EAS workout plan, and he's ripped, and he works hard off the field. What does that make him good for? 1. A bodybuilding contest and 2. A professional game of tag!
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I never said the "same numbers", I said similar numbers. Actually, I even said they didn't have to be as good. But if you're stuck on that statement, I'll put it this way for you ..is it unreasonable to expect above average QB play from BQ within the next 3-4 weeks?
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There actually is one number that Anderson had in his 3rd year that I expect Quinn to have this year, and that is the only number I care about: 9 -- number of wins.
All the other numbers aren't worth the bandwidth it takes to view them.
Fairly certain we won 10 games that year...
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Actually, yes it is completely and totally unreasonable.
There is a different offense, different coaches, different receivers, different OLine, different opponents.... and they are two totally different humans with totally different playing styles, strengths and weaknesses.
You want the same numbers? Then make everything else the same... then you can get your silly apples-to-apples comparison. Until then, it is a garbage expectation to want the "same numbers". Receptions, yards, etc... are all completely worthless as anything more than symptoms and they are so reliant on the performance of so many other parts that it is complete folly to use it as a measuring stick for a single individual - much less across completely disparate years where absolutely nothing is the same except some meaningless things like team names and colors.
There actually is one number that Anderson had in his 3rd year that I expect Quinn to have this year, and that is the only number I care about: 9 -- number of wins.
All the other numbers aren't worth the bandwidth it takes to view them.
Then what exactly do we expect from Quinn. You'd be happy if we won despite Quinn as opposed to because of him? That's a load of crap. And since we're talking about differences, how about the fact that we traded a first round pick for BQ. That alone means he must be held to a higher standard than a 6th rounder who was signed from the Ravens PRACTICE squad. He must post better numbers to justify his position. It's not about apples and apples, it's about the business. He should post BETTER numbers considering what the organization has invested in him, especially considering he's entering his third season.
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We Traded a second round pick. We got the 21st overall pick in 2007 for the 21st overall pick in 2008 and our second rounder in 2007. We didn't trade a first round pick, we swapped and threw in a second rounder.
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There is a different offense, different coaches, different receivers, different OLine, different opponents.... and they are two totally different humans with totally different playing styles, strengths and weaknesses.
But the constant here, is they both are playing FOOTBALL. All this you mention is cop out material for not getting the job done.
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Cutler: 5 starts, 2-3 record, 1001 yards, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 88.5 passer rating
Palmer: 13 starts, 6-7 record, 2897 yards, 18 TDs, 18 INTs, 77.3 passer rating
Bulger: 7 starts, 6-1 record (left the 7th game injured after going 1/1 passing), 1826 yards, 14 TDs, 6 INTs, 101.5 passer rating
Warner: 19 starts, 16-3 record combined regular and postseason, 5400+ combined passing yards, 49 TDs, 17 INTs, 100+ passer rating, regular season MVP, Super Bowl MVP
Now since you're trying to morph into Soup who just luvs to post stats regardless of what the debate is about...
Bradys four games he's 69-132 768 yds 68% 3TD's 3int's..1-3 record.
Technically he played the entire Denver/Buffalo games but not the Houston game in 08..
See? I can throw stats out there too..but look at yours...you went beyond 4 games for all of the QB's U listed , which BTW were not the ones that were being thrown in the discussion earlier.
Want to wait till Quinn has 13 starts??
westcoastbrowny :That is a completely unfair assessment of DA. If you're going to base your view of DA on his college years, then you have to hold BQ to the same standard. Using your grading system, you'd have to say that we know what we have in BQ already as well. From what I've seen, he looks the exact same as the guy who couldn't win a big game at ND. He get's flustered by pressure, as in college. He isn't very accurate, as in college. So how can you at one end say "be fair" and at the same time say, we still have to see what BQ has. At the pro level, DA took a team with very marginal talent, to the brink of the playoffs in his first year as a starter. And you're ready to let that go? If you are judging DA and saying that he is what he is in college, then you have to realize that he also took some very marginal Oregon St. teams to impressive bowl wins, and even further than that beat BQ head to head in the 04 Insight Bowl. In that game he threw over 300 hundred yards and 4 touchdowns if I remember correctly. When you add that DA lost Steven Jackson for his senior year and still posted impressive numbers, then you'd have to say that he does have "something". The Browns can win with DA. I'll take his A game over BQ's any day of the week. DA does have flaws, and does need to learn to read coverage better. But I'd rather have a QB who has problems with zone because when teams start that, it opens up the ground game. When the ground game is rolling, teams have to run blitz and it opens up the passing game in the form of one on one coverage outside. Look at the first have of last year's Dallas game. The cowboys stacked the box in the first half, and DA was finding deep targets in one on one coverage. Drops plagued him that game. And the other thing that has plagued DA, was the photo of BQ wearing a browns UNI as a child. BQ has the "awwwww, how cute" factor, but he doesn't strike me as a true football player. Sure he has the EAS workout plan, and he's ripped, and he works hard off the field. What does that make him good for? 1. A bodybuilding contest and 2. A professional game of tag!
I'll make this real short and sour for U...Quinn should have more UPSIDE than DA...the deficiencies that DA has are the things Quinn is supposed to be strong in..better touch on short passes , better accuracy..
Able to read defenses...
So I say again his performance Sunday didn't look the same last year nor preseason..
I've seen DA for two seasons and he has not progressed ..her regressed last year and stayed even in the preseason..
I have to see Quinn for more than 4 games..
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We Traded a second round pick. We got the 21st overall pick in 2007 for the 21st overall pick in 2008 and our second rounder in 2007. We didn't trade a first round pick, we swapped and threw in a second rounder.
We DID trade a first round pick. Our 2008 1st round pick went to the cowboys. We picked Thomas at 3 in 07. Then gave up our second round pick in that draft, along with the 08 FIRST round pick. So YES we did give up a first round pick to get Quinn. Check the history.
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We Traded a second round pick. We got the 21st overall pick in 2007 for the 21st overall pick in 2008 and our second rounder in 2007. We didn't trade a first round pick, we swapped and threw in a second rounder.
A first and a second round pick and we're not supposed to hold BQ to a high standard???
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We Traded a second round pick. We got the 21st overall pick in 2007 for the 21st overall pick in 2008 and our second rounder in 2007. We didn't trade a first round pick, we swapped and threw in a second rounder.
We DID trade a first round pick. Our 2008 1st round pick went to the cowboys. We picked Thomas at 3 in 07. Then gave up our second round pick in that draft, along with the 08 FIRST round pick. So YES we did give up a first round pick to get Quinn. Check the history.
But we got Dallas' first round pick in 07 in return for ours in 08. We swapped picks. You check history, I don't need to I was there.
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We Traded a second round pick. We got the 21st overall pick in 2007 for the 21st overall pick in 2008 and our second rounder in 2007. We didn't trade a first round pick, we swapped and threw in a second rounder.
A first and a second round pick and we're not supposed to hold BQ to a high standard???
After 3 healthy starts???? Not yet. This is stupid. I already said many times we need to give the kid a chance. It was one bad game. If he continues to play like he did last week then I will be all for drafting a QB next year with a strong QB class comming in.
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But we got Dallas' first round pick in 07 in return for ours in 08. We swapped picks. You check history, I don't need to I was there.
A swap is what we did and KEPT doing before drafting Alex Mack in this years draft. Had we kept that pick we traded to get Quinn we could have drafted Chris Johnson who by the way made the pro bowl last year. So just to soothe your ache, we TRADED A FIRST ROUND PICK IN ONE YEAR FOR ANOTHER. So we GAVE UP the 08 first round pick, for one in 07. We'll continue this later if you want, I need to gotta run to work now.
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A first and a second round pick and we're not supposed to hold BQ to a high standard???
How did Quinn look against Denver and Buffalo last year?
Are U gonna answer that?
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SO IF QUINN COMES OUT THIS WEEK AND PLAYS LIGHTS OUT...
will it be enough to stop the insanity?
Nope. IMHO the DA followers will keep stirring the pot.
If he plays like Peyton Manning this week, next week we'll here:
'Well can he be consistent, I mean he is SOOOOOOOO up and down!'
If he plays a solid but not great game:
'Well he played alright today but he's still NOT a starter! Just look at last week...'
If he has another bad outing:
'It's time to FRYE him and get DA in the game!'
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Give it a rest people.
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But we got Dallas' first round pick in 07 in return for ours in 08. We swapped picks. You check history, I don't need to I was there.
A swap is what we did and KEPT doing before drafting Alex Mack in this years draft. Had we kept that pick we traded to get Quinn we could have drafted Chris Johnson who by the way made the pro bowl last year. So just to soothe your ache, we TRADED A FIRST ROUND PICK IN ONE YEAR FOR ANOTHER. So we GAVE UP the 08 first round pick, for one in 07. We'll continue this later if you want, I need to gotta run to work now.
It's really easy to play hindsight 20/20. Did you know the browns could of had Chad Johnson instead of Quincy Morgan? Haloti Nagta instead of Kamerian Wimbley? Going into the 2007 draft our QB's where Anderson and Frye. And even though Anderson had a great 2007 nobody knew that was going to happen and the browns took the second best QB of that draft in the lower part of the first round and still got the stud left tackle with the #3.
Every expert said the Browns hit a home run. But now Brady looked bad in the first game of the year you are going to overreact?? Please forgive me if I think this is stupid to get mad at a very young kid who made his 3rd healthy start.
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