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I've seen DA for two seasons
Sorry, but you only saw him play one season. The next season he was pulled after 8 games and millions of Brady chants.
Hell, people wanted us to pull him for Brady in 2007---and he was winning games!!!
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Quinn should have more UPSIDE than DA
Uhhhh, with DA's laser-rocket arm----I doubt Quinn has much more upside than Derek. Also, I will take DA's arm tossing the ball downfield any day of the week over Quinn's. DA is able to put it on a line down the field---Brady has yet to show any type of consistent accuacy beyond 5 yards. And even at 5 yards he's been off.
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Did He?? Or did the ENTIRE organization fall apart. Last year was a bad year---but it was on the shoulders of more people than just DA. It was distraction after distraction after distraction. It ended with the coach getting fired, the GM getting fired, our headcase TE getting shipped, and numerous other coaching changes brought on with the new regime. So blaming last season on DA, or saying last season showed you what you needed to see out of DA is a crap argument. The only thing that we can say about last year, is that it was a total wash.
Quinn was supposed to be READY, he was supposed to step right in and perform. He hasn't. All he has done is produce more questions and doubt. I am hoping Mangini doesn't devote the entire season to this guy---especially if he continues his poor play.
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So you're trying to unload those 8 games but agree that after 1 game Quinn should be vanquished????
Yep..sound logic..too bad those 8 games count..U trying to sound like Butch Davis when Lewis ran for 298 yards.."Well if you take away those three runs we did a good job on him... 
Uhhhh, with DA's laser-rocket arm----I doubt Quinn has much more upside than Derek Well I knew you couldn't evaluate a QB but that sure cemented it for me.. .  So blaming last season on DA, or saying last season showed you what you needed to see out of DA is a crap argument. The only thing that we can say about last year, is that it was a total wash.
The only crap I see is that BS that you're regurgitating about the the 08 season..first rule of thumb..no matter whats happened around the QB you can still evaluate him on what he's doing..yeah, once more lets throw that out..lol..
let me know when you really can come up with a sound argument to support DA..you've had two years to do so..
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So you're trying to unload those 8 games but agree that after 1 game Quinn should be vanquished????
Quinn was touted as READY.......as in, he is ready to come in and lead----that was SUPPOSED to be his advantage. His accuracy on short throws was SUPPOSED to be his advantage. Smart decisions with the football were SUPPOSED to be his advantage.
And yet---this ready QB has shown that:
1. After three years---he still isn't ready.
2. He hasn't demonstrated any of the accuracy he was supposed to have.
3. And he played straight offal football on Sunday.
DA has PROVEN, that he can be a winning quarterback who can put up POINTS. He has PROVEN that he can make all the throws. He has PROVEN to be a capable QB. But he was benched for the Savior from ND. The guy who has done NOTHING.
Here in Ctown we threw all that away for a POTENTIAL game-manager.
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let me know when you really can come up with a sound argument to support DA..you've had two years to do so
His play should speak for itself. And it has, but I guess you just don't want to hear it.
DA has gotten a str8 raw deal here in Cleveland, and I hpe he finds another city to play for where the fans don't fall in love with some media-star Hype job.
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Why do I forget the fact you're a DA supporter...yawn..
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I agree with you man, DA is the better QB..he is good enough to win here and be a cornerstone for a long time, but your wasting your time telling these people anything.
I wanted Quinn in there until I seen the Bills Games where they stacked the LOS and he could do nothing to stop it...the Denver game was padded with a banged up Bronco's secondary...and he couldn't throw against a 30th ranked prevent D
Quinn is over-rated, My best friend is the most diehard Notre Dame fan there is, and he was glad when Quinn left, and he told me Quinn won't make it in the pros
He told me 2 weeks ago, Quinn would dink and dunk, and struggle with accuracy beyond 10 yards....what did we see Sunday? The same garbage we saw out of him in college...please watch the OSU vs ND Bowl game...you watch how god awful inaccurate Quinn was in that game...that game looked exactly like we saw Sunday.
Quin is over rated...plain and simple...the kid should have been a late 2nd rder or an eary 3rd...not a first
He does NOT have more upside than Anderson.
Anderson has:
1. A stronger arm
2. Better Mechanics
3. Plants his feet when he throws
4. Looks off defenders
#1 and #3 being the most important of those qualities
I laugh lot, these folks got a love afair with Quinn, leave him in there...by week 6 they will be "begging" for Anderson to be put in...Begging
We could realistically be 0-4 with this Bum in there...
You realize this Denver team were facing held a halthy Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer to what..6 points? 7 points?...you really think Quinn is going to farewell against Denver? keep dreaming!
Mike Nolan is a top 5 DC in this league....He is no dummy...he will expose Quinn for the weak-armed dink and dunk bum he is....I just wish folks would wake up before week 5 or 6 though
Anderson was making progress...181 passing attempts without an INT
His short game has been improving steadily
he looks off defenders
he plants his feet when he throws
he has sound mechanics, and follows through with his throws.
Anderson has everything you want in your QB..Quinn doesn't....
If Anderson was our QB..we would be pushing 2-0 to start the season...say what you want, if we had Da in against the Vikings(who can complete a pass over 12 yards) we would have won that football game...that loss is squarely on the shoulders of "noodle arm"
thats my new nickname for Quinn, "Noodle arm" until the kid proves he can push the ball downfield...he is noodle arm
just watch what Mike Nolan does to him Sunday evening...Quinn will not look that hot...because Nolan will stack the line to stop the run, show blitz and back out on pass plays and force Quinn to beat them with the 15-25 yard passes, and he can't do it...he just don't have the arm to do it...it is what it is....
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Quin is over rated...plain and simple...the kid should have been a late 2nd rder or an eary 3rd...not a first
If U think Quinn is overrated what the heck did U just spit out?? Anderson has:
1. A stronger arm
2. Better Mechanics
3. Plants his feet when he throws
4. Looks off defenders
Go away... U typed that??? Were you going  when U typed that? Have you fallen off your bed and hurt your skull? What QB are you trying to describe? Manning doesn't play for the BROWNS... Another die-hard kiss DA homer...
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Why do I forget the fact you're a DA supporter...yawn..
I guess that makes me less of a person.
Nothing like labeling someone in an attempt to invalidate their arguments.
What a classy move.
Would expect nothing less.
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i still hold out hope that quinn can be a good, complete qb. at the same time, i'm objective enough to know that, when the pressure is on, we fall back on our tendencies and his is to dink and dunk. i hope he can get past it but i do not expect it.
what grinds me is the need to try to downplay another browns player's ability to try to upsell quinn's when it's never acknowledged that quinn CAN fail, something ALL the players can do.
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If U think you're a less of person thats on you 
But U and Knight are DA supporters..your posts tell it..Ya know if DA actually had all those qualities that Knight mistakenly tried to label him with... there would be no debate at all... there would have been no QB comp..DA would be the starter..
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please explain to me how Mangini and the rest of the coaching staff.....who had absolutely nothing tied to Quinn before the season and who must win in order to demonstrate the need for Mangini's tough discipline practices..... failed to see that Quote:
Quin is over rated...plain and simple...
He does NOT have more upside than Anderson.
Anderson has:
1. A stronger arm
2. Better Mechanics
3. Plants his feet when he throws
4. Looks off defenders
and that this same coaching and scouting staff just couldn't see that
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Anderson was making progress...181 passing attempts without an INT
His short game has been improving steadily
he looks off defenders
he plants his feet when he throws
he has sound mechanics, and follows through with his throws.
Anderson has everything you want in your QB..Quinn doesn't....
I don't blame you for not trusting me or others on this board with our opinions on our QBs.
however, I just don't see how the "obvious" choice is the opposite one this coaching staff went with......if DA was obviously better, why would Mangini choose Quinn? He doesn't have ties to Quinn....he doesn't care what the media/fans think about him.....according to most here Lerner barely knows he even owns a football team, so he's not telling him to put Quinn in......what is it then?
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And you're a 'BQ supporter'...what's your point?
The book hasn't been fully written on DA, but at this juncture I don't know that there will ever be any drastic improvement. I don't see a light going on for him, so to speak.
However, he's still a better option than BQ. Quinn is a glorified Ken Dorsey -- cerebral QB with a noodle for an arm. DA is almost his opposite -- a lunkhead with a rocket.
I'd rather neither be the starting QB of my football team (I'd take DA as my back-up any day)...but the faster we end the BQ experiment, the better off we are.
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Ha...I support whoevers at the helm till they crap out..and DA crapped out last year..
Now resorting to say Quinn's arm is the = to Dorsey's??
Man you guys must really be bummed out ..
I think I've made my points..like last year?
This year I get to see what Quinn can do..
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the term used was "most NFL ready QB in the draft" not "NFL ready"
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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.is it unreasonable to expect above average QB play from BQ within the next 3-4 weeks?
No. To expect a certain set of numbers? Yes.
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Then what exactly do we expect from Quinn. You'd be happy if we won despite Quinn as opposed to because of him?
I expect him to perform. Period. If you pay attention to what I wrote, I was talking about all of the garbage about stats and numbers.
People are too wrapped up in their silly little Madden worlds.... unless you are talking about the numbers on the scoreboard, the numbers don't mean squat.
And nowhere did I or do I make excuses for poor play. Poor play still deserves to be derided and called out on every occassion. If we lose because of him, especially if it happens consistently, I fully expect him to lose his job.
And yes, I'd be perfectly happy with us getting a buttload of wins despite anyone... because that means we'd be a pretty damned good TEAM that is WINNING GAMES.
As for your rant about draft position: leave that crap to the draftniks and scouts. it is Year 3 for him, the ONLY thing that matters is the results on the field turning into a 'W', however the hell we can get it.
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All this you mention is cop out material for not getting the job done.
No, it is only that if you have reading comprehension difficulties.
Lastly, for all of you Stat Disciples that are wanting to argue that Quinn's 3rd year should match DA's 3rd year.... are you going to argue that Quinn's 4th year should match DA's 4th year?
Are you going to argue that DA's 4th year should have matched his 3rd year?
Browns is the Browns
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Now resorting to say Quinn's arm is the = to Dorsey's??
That was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek cheap shot...but not by much.
They will fare similarly in the NFL.
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This year I get to see what Quinn can do..
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SO IF QUINN COMES OUT THIS WEEK AND PLAYS LIGHTS OUT...
will it be enough to stop the insanity?
Nope. IMHO the DA followers will keep stirring the pot.
If he plays like Peyton Manning this week, next week we'll here:
'Well can he be consistent, I mean he is SOOOOOOOO up and down!'
If he plays a solid but not great game:
'Well he played alright today but he's still NOT a starter! Just look at last week...'
If he has another bad outing:
'It's time to FRYE him and get DA in the game!'
I'm afraid you're totally correct about that stuff.
This board has become so fully entrenched by emotional idiots that there's less than a few left who even talk football. The dolts and knee-jerkers dominate any discussion until threads become unreadable. It's like trying to have a conversation with a room full of drunken teenagers. [/rant]
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Lastly, for all of you Stat Disciples that are wanting to argue that Quinn's 3rd year should match DA's 3rd year.... are you going to argue that Quinn's 4th year should match DA's 4th year?
Are you going to argue that DA's 4th year should have matched his 3rd year?
Yeow! There is silence in the room while the drunken teenagers mull that one over. 
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Cutler: 5 starts, 2-3 record, 1001 yards, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 88.5 passer rating
Palmer: 13 starts, 6-7 record, 2897 yards, 18 TDs, 18 INTs, 77.3 passer rating
Bulger: 7 starts, 6-1 record (left the 7th game injured after going 1/1 passing), 1826 yards, 14 TDs, 6 INTs, 101.5 passer rating
Warner: 19 starts, 16-3 record combined regular and postseason, 5400+ combined passing yards, 49 TDs, 17 INTs, 100+ passer rating, regular season MVP, Super Bowl MVP
Now since you're trying to morph into Soup who just luvs to post stats regardless of what the debate is about...
Bradys four games he's 69-132 768 yds 68% 3TD's 3int's..1-3 record.
Technically he played the entire Denver/Buffalo games but not the Houston game in 08..
See? I can throw stats out there too..but look at yours...you went beyond 4 games for all of the QB's U listed , which BTW were not the ones that were being thrown in the discussion earlier.
Want to wait till Quinn has 13 starts??
I was responding to your assertion that those four QBs (Cutler, Warner, Palmer, Bulger) "sucked" at the beginning of their careers. I posted the numbers they put up in their first shots as "the man". Warner got a full season. Cutler got the last five games of a season. Palmer got the first 13 weeks before getting injured. Bulger got 7 starts throughout the middle of a season as an injury replacement before getting injured himself.
As you can see, none of them sucked. A couple were average, one was excellent, and the last posted one of the best seasons a QB has ever had.
But you can go ahead and continue to look for all the upside in Quinn's numbers and hope that he's the one. I hope for the Browns' sake that he proves you correct, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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SO IF QUINN COMES OUT THIS WEEK AND PLAYS LIGHTS OUT...
will it be enough to stop the insanity?
Nope. IMHO the DA followers will keep stirring the pot.
If he plays like Peyton Manning this week, next week we'll here:
'Well can he be consistent, I mean he is SOOOOOOOO up and down!'
If he plays a solid but not great game:
'Well he played alright today but he's still NOT a starter! Just look at last week...'
If he has another bad outing:
'It's time to FRYE him and get DA in the game!'
I'm afraid you're totally correct about that stuff.
This board has become so fully entrenched by emotional idiots that there's less than a few left who even talk football. The dolts and knee-jerkers dominate any discussion until threads become unreadable. It's like trying to have a conversation with a room full of drunken teenagers. [/rant]
Dang, I had to check the date on oldcold's post. I thought it was from last year, regarding Anderson.
Throw in the excuses people used about the minn. game: "quinn suffered from dropped balls as well", and it is describing last year to a T.
Funny, people had no problem dumping on Anderson, yet now they feel the need to defend quinn? Kind of ironic, no?
Quinn gets the year from me - like that matters to anyone?
He was an "nfl ready" qb when we got him - no one else would take him - he's sat 2 years, with 3 starts under his belt - 4 now.
He needs to show improvement - and soon. I will not for one second believe our w.r.'s were covered all day this past sunday. If quinn tosses 5 yd. passes all day against the bronco's, I'm going to call him out on it - UNLESS we win.
You see, I'm a Browns fan. I don't care who the qb is - what I care about is winning. Yeah, imagine that. I want "W's". That makes me bad?
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arch, the problem is that when ppl were bashing DA it was after a bad game, it was after a couple and a bunch off inconsistency with DA. yet a lot of ppl are ready to throw quinn uhder the bus after a bad loss. if he continues thials, then i will be ready to throw him under the bus... i will give him sometime.
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But we got Dallas' first round pick in 07 in return for ours in 08. We swapped picks. You check history, I don't need to I was there.
It turned out to be a swap but no one, including all the scuttlebutt on this site thought our 1st in 08 would be #21. Had DA tanked that season we could just have easily been giving up a top 5 pick in 08 and our 2nd in 07 as well.
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Well, I'm not throwing quinn under a bus - but he needs to improve - i.e. get wins. I don't care if we only throw 5 passes against denver. We need to win.
Winning defines greatness, or even competency.
He needs to play better. I'm hoping he will, because I don't care to, halfway through the season, having to start the bickering over who we'll draft next at qb.
Also, I know we won't pass only 5 times against the bronc's. What I want to see is accuracy - isn't that what quinn was supposedly "known" for, on short passes?
I want to see the open receiver thrown to, even if he's 20 yds. downfield. I don't want to see dump offs - not for what quinns "reputation" is.
How's this: If quinn can come close to living up to the expectations so many on here, and elsewhere, laid out last year, then he'll be doing okay.
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How's this: If quinn can come close to living up to the expectations so many on here, and elsewhere, laid out last year, then he'll be doing okay.
mine is even simpler: regardless of win/lose, i want to see a complete performance from our qb. that means variety in types of throws and who we throw it to, given what the situation dictates.
i can't imagine anyone wanting any less, regardless of who is the qb.
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Unless Quinn has a QB rating of 100 and we make the playoffs, theres alot of posters that will rip him up and down. Because its not about whats best for the Browns, which is seeing what Quinn has over an extended period of time, its about them being right about DA, and just flat out being stuck on Quinn is a bust.
Funny thing is, most of the "bench Quinn tomorrow" people, also want DA re-inserted...that makes loads of sense. Go back to a proven bad player.
fans that wanna rip Quinn prematurely, thats fine. But come up with a solution then, because if Quinn cant do this, we have to find another QB. DA is not, has not, nor ever will be the answer.
Which, is why the best interest for this organization is to see if Quinn can be the guy. And no matter how many ways people wanna twist and spin it, you cant make that call after 7-8 games. Period.
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This board has become so fully entrenched by emotional idiots that there's less than a few left who even talk football. The dolts and knee-jerkers dominate any discussion until threads become unreadable. It's like trying to have a conversation with a room full of drunken teenagers. [/rant]
Amen brother!! This board is looking like the "official" sites board after we all moved here. Same old tired arguements and knee jerk reactions.
These QB debacles, on this board not on the field, are tiresome and pointless. Facts mean nothing anymore and emotions are the selling point. 
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As you can see, none of them sucked. A couple were average, one was excellent, and the last posted one of the best seasons a QB has ever had.
But you can go ahead and continue to look for all the upside in Quinn's numbers and hope that he's the one. I hope for the Browns' sake that he proves you correct, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
So you are using a minimum of 5 starts to judge the others, but you are judging Quinn after one game You guys are becoming a punchline with your assinine comparisons
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And the other thing that has plagued DA, was the photo of BQ wearing a browns UNI as a child. BQ has the "awwwww, how cute" factor, but he doesn't strike me as a true football player. Sure he has the EAS workout plan, and he's ripped, and he works hard off the field. What does that make him good for? 1. A bodybuilding contest and 2. A professional game of tag!
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j/c,...the shame of it is,...if Quinn succeeds -- and I sense there are some posters who actually don't want this to happen because they hate Notre Dame, or whatever,... -- then all mouths will be shut. If Quinn fails however, the "I-told-you-so's" will continue to drag on senselessly.
I want Quinn to succeed because I love the Browns. You people who want to see him fail just so you can be 'correct' are not really Browns fans at all. If Quinn fails, then I want to see Anderson come in and be good like he has shown he can, but is inconsistent at doing.
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you can't get away with that unless you also felt that people hated on braylon for going to michigan.
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I don't think people dislike Quinn b/c he is from Notre Dame... I think people favor him failing.. b/c Cleveland is use to one thing...
Always looking for a better QB...
We are use to it... We haven't had ANY consistency at that position AT ALL!!
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This year I get to see what Quinn can do..
one can only hope that you also see what he cant do.
I think that's fair,...if he doesn't "DO", then we know we need to be going after Bradford or McCoy (actually I'd rather have the best RT available,...)
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Give me ANY defensive position.. ANY!! (except corner)
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and I sense there are some posters who actually don't want this to happen because they hate Notre Dame,
you can't get away with that unless you also felt that people hated on braylon for going to michigan.
There are people who did and DO,...I am not one of them. I want the kid -- all of them -- to be Cleveland Brown GOOD. Like I said, 45 years is a long time to wait,....
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Guess we're officially hijacked (I really don't care,...) Taylor Mays -- until Boom Herron cleaned his clock -- has always been at the top of my list,...
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Look its like this folks
Da was "never" given a fair chance here...NEVER
DA won more 10 games in 2007...that is the most wins in a single season for a Browns QB since the 94 season. Yes..he won the most games for the Browns in 13 years!
He did this with a "garbage" Defense...one of the worst Defenses in the league.
If not for Kellen Winslow being "pushed out" and our sieve of a D giving up a huge lead to the Steelers im game 2....DA wins 12 games that year....yeah you heard it 12 games
DA beat the Ravens twice, and had a lead going into the 4th quarter the 3rd time that the Defense blew....as a matter of fact, he had leads 2 weeks in a row the Defense blew...but again that is Derek Andersons fault because he didn't tackle McGahee or whomever
Da showed more in his 1st game then Quinn has shown in his 1st 4....Remember the rumble down the sidelines in Kansas city? He made plays and won that game....DA is a big time player...Big players make big plays in big games
Brady Quinn has yet to even "make a play" for petes sake...when is the last time he had a 20 or 30 yard pass that got the crowd going...DA made plays when the game was on the line against Arizona and Winslow was pushed out, the Refs later admitted it was the wrong call
Who drove us down the field to get Dawson in position to kick the game winner against the Ravens, that it is now dubbed "The Dawson bar"
How about the nice Screen Pass to Jamal Lewis that set up the game winner against Buffalo?
Derek Anderson made plays for Gods sake...the kid is a 6rd pick...a 6th rd freaking pick! and he has shown more in his 1st 4 games than Quinn has
DA is more talented.....So many people hate Derek Anderson, and its unjustified...the guy did nothing but work hard and give this city a reason to cheer you he is treated like dirt in return by the fans here.
In spite of all of that, he is still a stand up guy, a humble, and honorable young man. that shows no resentment.....
Quinn did "jack squat" to deserve that starting job...You watch that drive in the preseason against Detroit...where Anderson hit passes of 17 and 23 yards....Throws Brady Quinn can't make....
You folks need to get off the love affair...Quinn was over hyped at Notre Dame...watch the OSU vs ND game the bowl game....it looks "exactly" like we saw against the Vikings last sunday...the kid has a noodle arm, and defenses are not scared of him.
We will lose to Broncos Sundy night, Mike Nolan is a top 5 D Coordinator in this league...he was the architect of the Ravens 3-4...Ryan was running Nolans scheme over there after Nolan left for San Fran.
Don't be suprised if your "golden boy" looks absolutely atrocious once again against Denver...Nolan is no dummy, he is laughing himself to the bank they we are going with Quinn over Anderson, he doesn't have to worry about Brady pushing the ball downfield...so it just makes his job all that much more easier.
I don't hate Quinn at all, I wanted him to succeed...i was happy when we drafted him, I thought a few years on the bench would do him some good, but he still looks exactly the same as he did at ND and that won't cut it in the NFL.
I am not worried at all though, we WILL see Anderson this year, you can bank on it, and when Anderson gets back in their, he will play extremely well and Quinn will be sent out of here on a one way trip to a trade.....
Anderson just bide your time boy, you will be in their soon enough...Quinn won't be able to perform up to task and will get yanked soon enough.
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I have no preference on who our starting QB is as long as they are winning and that is the funniest part.
I just don't think Quinn is the answer. Believe me I would be happy for him if he proved me wrong. Winning is the most important part.
I'm so sick and tired of the love affair with Quinn and people talking out both sides of they're face. People sit here and say that Quinn deserves 2 years but DA didn't get it. They make excuses while sticking up for Quinn but don't give a shred of praise to Anderson when he get's no help at all.
They sit here and say well Quinn needs time to develop the best QB's in the league took time to develop as well. O.k well DA only got a year and a half, and the half he had no help and had a concussion. Then they say well DA has been in the league longer than 3 years. Well yeah he has but he was also a practice squad type player who barely got any reps.
They say DA played terrible last year and that he sucks but then they say it will take time time for Brady to come along. LMAO Are u serious? Do they live in two completely different universes or something?
Then you try and use logic and ask the question as to why Brady get's all the luxury's but Anderson doesn't get the same benefit and they wanna insult you and try and say that your so enamored with Anderson that you want Brady to fail. LOL really? Who are the ones who are enamored?
I just look at the facts and realize, that like what many have said it takes time to develop a QB.
So on one hand I have a QB who lit up the NFL 2 years ago his first year starting, who still is young and has alot of room for improvement. Then on the other hand I have a QB who through his first few starts has looked pretty sub-par.
I really think people are losing they're friggin mind. I seriously think this much losing can't be good for rational thought because it seems to have dissappeared on this board. Or they are so blindly in love they can't seem to see the other side of things.
Maybe I should be asking the question.......
If you had 2 Qb's, one who has shown he has the tools to succeed with help, and one who hasn't shown anything which qb would you take? (don't say Brady didn't have help the first game either cause were were running on Minn and stopping them on D.)
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Well this is nuts .
fact:
1) Quinn had a bad game
2)1 game cant tell us how good or bad Quinn is
3) Quinn is no rook he has had two years to study and learn as an NFL QB
Now how long should we give Quinn?
fact:
1) no one on this board is Payed to be an NFL coach.
2) no one on this board is payed by an NFL team to evaluate tallent.
3) there seems to be lots on both sides that feel they know more.(if thats true go get an NFL job)
4) Quinn will get as much time, as those who make that choice decide.
We as fans should support who is playing at QB be it Quinn or DA
Now we have the right to complain all we want but it wont change anything.
why cant the BQ and DA supporters just agree to disagree and go on.
vent when you have to and know that after so many years we all get that way at one time or another.
also Think about this its a game.
not life and death
it wont put food on your table
I am an always will be a BROWNS fan
But I dont let the Browns drive me nuts,
because I have no controll over the Browns,
I am just a fan that loves my team and Wishes they would do good and win a Superbowl befor my time on earth comes to an end.
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j/c,...the shame of it is,...if Quinn succeeds -- and I sense there are some posters who actually don't want this to happen because they hate Notre Dame, or whatever,... --
Ah, come on man. You're sounding like BE and his griping about people not liking his drops because he went to Michigan.
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Unless Quinn has a QB rating of 100 and we make the playoffs, theres alot of posters that will rip him up and down.
Just as if he never has a rating above 75, there will be a bunch that will forever proclaim a good QB that wasn't given a chance. There are several on THIS board that still do the same today about bums named Couch and Frye.
The point? Your point doesn't actually make one.
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Because its not about whats best for the Browns, which is seeing what Quinn has over an extended period of time, its about them being right about DA, and just flat out being stuck on Quinn is a bust.
Fortunately for the team and all of us, that is neither true nor possible, because Quinn is the hometown favorite, not Anderson.
Even the most staunch diehard Anderson supporters would GLADLY say they were wrong about Quinn if it means a winning and successful QB.
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Funny thing is, most of the "bench Quinn tomorrow" people, also want DA re-inserted...that makes loads of sense.
As opposed to what, exactly?  Start our 3rd stringer? Of course they'd want Anderson re-inserted.
Setting aside all the debate, the fact that there is a legitimate reason even to HAVE a debate is telling.
In every discussion there's going to be at least one idiot who takes the other side, even if there isn't any understandable reason to take that stance. However, despite the fact that Quinn is a hometown boy who grew up for the Browns and always wanted to play for this organization, there's a higher-than-anticipated percentage that thinks Anderson would be the better option...........and a shocking amount of them don't actually think Anderson is that good.
I really don't care if you or anyone else believes me when I say it, but I don't have much faith in either guy. The ONLY reason I'm for benching Quinn by mid-season if he's faltering is because if I'm going to have two QB's on the same team who aren't that great, give me the guy who has big-play ability and more experience. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'd rather Quinn prove my doubts (not disbelief, for those of you not smart enough to understand the differences between the two concepts) wrong and become a success than I would have Anderson take over just because. I've always said Anderson is this generations version of Jay Shroeder, and for those that know who he was, Shroeder wasn't a great QB.
Quinn is on a short leash with many of us because he's supposed to be ready right now. Not by the end of the year, and not by week 12. I happen to agree with the assessment that he came into the league as a guy who's supposed to be ready to take over. If he has to attempt to learn accuracy half-way through his 3rd year in the NFL, he most likely doesn't have it, and therefore we're just wasting our time with him. So why the comparisons with Frye? Because in many ways they are identical, at least in terms of what Quinn is right now to what Frye was and will always be: Less-than-great arm and accuracy, game-managing, scrambling type that's supposed to play better than they practice.......but didn't.
People can play whatever card they wish in slinging mud at the other side of the fence, but those are the reasons Quinn isn't getting a free pass anymore. I'm sure there's at least one person who's pro-Anderson for no other reason than they hate Quinn, but that doesn't represent the vast majority who wonder if we've all been sold a bill-of-goods on Quinn because we (proverbially) live in Cleveland, when the rest of the country conspicuously doesn't share our same optimism
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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