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And speaking of rereading things,, you need to go back and read what I wrote, you will see that I don't believe that there is wholesale racism going on.... I do however believe there are pockets of it.
And by bringing it up in this thread, it sounded like you were lending credence to Carter's comments.
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Then if a person does not like his( Pres. Obama) polices, then why bring up his race??
You tell us. It's the left that keeps playing the race card every time someone disagrees with Obama's policies.
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But now disagreeing with him is racist?
Where did you read that I said it was racist if you disagree with him?
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But now disagreeing with him is racist?
Where did you read that I said it was racist if you disagree with him?
No no - not you. Sorry. There are SOME that say that - not you at all. My bad for typing it that way.
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Obama in my opinion is a well educated, silver tongued, socialist who is hell bend on destroying this country.
Now before you label me a racist, Before the Presidential elections process and campaigning, I was hoping and praying Condoleeza Rice would be the Republican candidate. She not only is black, but also a female. So what does that say about me? I'd say, race isn't an issue, sex isn't an issue, I'd say that only policy/philosophy would be the issue.
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No no - not you. Sorry. There are SOME that say that - not you at all. My bad for typing it that way.
Whew,, glad we got that cleared up
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Obama in my opinion is a well educated, silver tongued, socialist who is hell bend on destroying this country.
It's an honest opinion.. fair enough... as long as you at least recognize the extreme circumstances he found himself in when he became president and you at least take some of that into account when judging him in the future..
that's only fair.. isn't it?
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So what does that say about me?
LOL,, I told my wife the same thing early last year.. I would have voted for her in a heartbeat.. General Powell would have also gotten my vote also..
In fact,, I will say this.. had Powell or Rice been the VP candidate, McCain would have had a better chance of getting my vote.
What's that make me?
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I agree somewhat with Carter. I wouldn't call it major, but it is somewhat significant. I believe it was clearly evident when Obama was being accused of not being American. As far as as the "You lied" comment though, I never saw it as any big deal - just a political error with nothing sinister behind it.
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I agree somewhat with Carter. I wouldn't call it major, but it is somewhat significant. I believe it was clearly evident when Obama was being accused of not being American.
So their are racist whites that don't like O, but there aren't racist blacks that only support him because he is supposedly black? I get it.
Remember, O doesn't get elected without the white vote. Throw the racism out of the question. Racists, as a rule, don't have acorn registering them to vote. And most don't, would be my guess. (most ignorant people don't bother to actually do anything other than talk is what I mean. Talk and complain)
So now that o has been in office, has worked his agenda, and people are seeing it for what it is, they are racist? I just don't get it.
I have a cousin, and her fiancee.....young - 24, 25. First time they voted. And they voted for O. Know what they are saying now? After they started following politics a bit?
They are saying "I didn't know he wanted to do that. I didn't know I might have to pay more. I didn't realize.". They, I personally think, are the typical O supporter - er, for them they are ex supporters.
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Obama in my opinion is a well educated, silver tongued, socialist who is hell bend on destroying this country.
Now before you label me a racist, Before the Presidential elections process and campaigning, I was hoping and praying Condoleeza Rice would be the Republican candidate. She not only is black, but also a female. So what does that say about me? I'd say, race isn't an issue, sex isn't an issue, I'd say that only policy/philosophy would be the issue.
I'd say you only wanted her to be the Republican candidate because she is black and female and therefore above the fray as it related to Obama being a candidate.
While Dr. Rice seems a nice woman (and a Browns fan to boot!) she's not an adept politician or a person that has articulated and espoused her own views on the issues. She did an okay job supporting whatever the Bush White House wanted to promote but I can't see her pushing an agenda of her own because she never has.
She's never been interested in running for President.
And that's why I believe that you were "hoping and praying" that she was the Republican nominee.
I thought it was weird whenever I heard that from others as well. It seemed race and sex was precisely why people wanted her to run.
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Interesting point about Rice.
Can you tell me exactly what agenda O pushed prior to his campaign? Acorn. Anything else?
Now that he's in the white house, what is he pushing? Oh, something that the majority of americans don't want. They don't want it, they don't want to pay for it, they don't need it.........yet that's what O, our elected representative, is pushing.
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I was hoping and praying Condoleeza Rice would be the Republican candidate. She not only is black, but also a female. So what does that say about me?
it says you only will vote for fellow Browns fans....not a bad policy
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Sure. Awful social programs such as single payer healthcare, cap and trade carbon programs, ending Bush policies that benefited the wealthy in any way like the economic acts of 2001 and 2003, raising capital gains rates, repeal of anonymous union voting rules, etc etc.
I could go on and on but at least he was talking about reforms he wanted to make and a direction he wanted to take the country.
Almost all of which I think will have a detrimental effect on the US as a whole.
I'm a small federal government, fiscal conservative that believes in wise gov't spending for defense and an education system that does more for gifted children.
I didn't like the Bush years at all and am now faced with the Obama years with even more cringing. Hopefully the US pulls out of this in 2012.
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There's probably plenty of minorities that over the years that accused white Presidents of racial agendas.
It is what it is, and it will only go away with time. No one will change anyone else's mind on race relations, it just needs to slowly dissolve as each generation becomes less concerned about racial differences.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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There's probably plenty of minorities that over the years that accused white Presidents of racial agendas.
It is what it is, and it will only go away with time. No one will change anyone else's mind on race relations, it just needs to slowly dissolve as each generation becomes less concerned about racial differences.
And I'm not one that will worry about being called a racist because I disagree with a presidents agenda. Black, white, brown........I don't care what the skin color is, I care about what happens to this country because it affects me.
Just the same as I root for the Browns - I don't root for black players, or white players, I pull for the Browns - many Sundays I root so hard I don't have much of a voice Sunday evening. And I do that at my house.
Color doesn't matter. I can't say I'm color blind, but I can say someones skin color doesn't mean jack to me. Apparently others can't deal with that. So, who's the racist?
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I don't like o'[s policies and agenda, and what he came from (acorn). Am I racist? You can check out all my posts on here if you care to. Am I racist?
Nope, it does not make you racist. Dillusional, maybe. But racist for not agreeing with him, nope!
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So there are some people that don't like him because he's black. Got it. I am more than certain that is true. Does that make all that disagree with him racist?
Again, repeating things that most people on this post have said that does NOT make you or anyone else racist!
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It's dangerous when the race card is played in situations when it is not warranted. See: jesse jackson and al sharpton.
See: S.Hannity, L.Dobbs, R.Limbaugh!!
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Or see jesse jackson, al sharpton, and any other number of blacks that cry racism constantly. Oh, add jimmy carter to that list too.
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For what it's worth, I don't think I have ever listened to Hannity. I do not believe I have ever listened to dobbs. (was he on "The View" a few years back? If it was him, yeah, I saw him there. If it was someone else, my bad)
Rush, I listen to him. Get this: I listen to him when I'm driving. That might be a total of 30 minutes a day - spread out.
I don't get my news from fox, nbc, rush, abc, cbs, msnbc, or any other "news" network or station.
90% of my information comes from yahoos home page. I go from there - read the article, read related articles, etc. I get my news from all sources and form my own opinion.
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Or see jesse jackson, al sharpton, and any other number of blacks that cry racism constantly. Oh, add jimmy carter to that list too.
There you go again, using Jesse and Al AGAIN when you could not think of anyone else!! HAHA.
See: G.Beck, M.Savage, Birthers and any number of whites that cry racism, reverse racism or the race card( which sits in their back pockets)... would you like me to continue...LMAO!!!
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Or see jesse jackson, al sharpton, and any other number of blacks that cry racism constantly. Oh, add jimmy carter to that list too.
There you go again, using Jesse and Al AGAIN when you could not think of anyone else!! HAHA.
See: G.Beck, M.Savage, Birthers and any number of whites that cry racism, reverse racism or the race card( which sits in their back pockets)... would you like me to continue...LMAO!!!
Oh, I get it. "any number of whites" that cry racism.....okay. Beck doesn't cry racism. Never in my life listened to M. Savage. Birthers - they just want to see what should be a public document - I mean, if I knew your name, or if you knew my name, we'd both be able to get a copy of each others birth certificate on line - as long as we agreed to pay the $5 to $40 charge. But O? For some reason his birth certificate is off limits to " regular" people.
Oh, by the way, in case you care about facts - I don't doubt at all the o is a u.s. citizen, but that won't fit your agenda, will it? I must only disagree with with him because I'm a racist, right?.
As for your "any number of whites that cry racism" comment - it's interesting that you mention whites in that comment. I have a feeling you may be a racist?
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You can disagree with Obama and he policy w/o being a racist. You can be a conservative w/o being racist. I think Carter is reaching if he really thinks Wilson did what he did b/c of racism. He did it b/c he has no class, because he was mad, because he wasn't thinking straight, and maybe doesn't think much at all. Maybe race played a part in his life, but who's to say.
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Carter said: "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"
If you identify with intensely demonstrated animosity towards Obama, then yes you may be a racist. If you merely dislike his policies or his practices or his ideology then most likely not. I think Carter was meaning the very fringe of the demonstrations that threaten violence against our President. Not the majority of his opposition. Animosity is a word to me akin to hate. Depends on how you see the world I guess.
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I mean, if I knew your name, or if you knew my name, we'd both be able to get a copy of each others birth certificate on line - as long as we agreed to pay the $5 to $40 charge. But O? For some reason his birth certificate is off limits to " regular" people.
Arch, if I knew your name, I could not get access to your Birth Certificate just like you could not get one of anyone else. Also, if you go down to the city where YOUR Birth Certificate is at, you cannot get the original, just a copy. Now if the State of Hawaii says he has a legit certificate in their records, then what is the problem??
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Oh, by the way, in case you care about facts - I don't doubt at all the o is a u.s. citizen, but that won't fit your agenda, will it? I must only disagree with with him because I'm a racist, right?.
What agenda?? The agenda that states Birthers are wack.. ok, you got me!! And again with the repeating of not agreeing with him makes you a racist! Please, get a new line!
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As for your "any number of whites that cry racism" comment - it's interesting that you mention whites in that comment. I have a feeling you may be a racist?
OMG, this last statement made me laugh so hard, I almost could not catch my breathe. I mean, isn't that like the statement YOU MADE?? hummm -> you might be a racist!!!...HAHAHAHA
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Beck doesn't cry racism.
He called Obama a racist a few weeks ago.
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Your post starting out "for what it's worth" is VERY close to my habits . . .particularly Rush.
I'm going to toss this out there . . . I think that MOST folks 40 and under have no REAL clue as to the depth of racism. Or at the very least, the gravity of it. I say that, because when I was a boy in the 70's and 80's the music listened to in Youngstown was far different than the music listened to in Poland or Boardman.
I don't paint that with a broad brush, but white kids listened to different music than black kids. Now it's interchangeable. Heck, I have heard/seen of white, upper middle class kids wanting to be rap stars . . . something that would not have been heard of twenty years ago.
The point above is that many don't see it. Don't understand it, the 'N' word is interchangeable for the word "buddy."
Now take someone who lived through the social tumult of the 60's, or the race riots, or through the "separate but equal" period. I have had black friends been told by baby boomer aged folks that they don't want their kind in their neighborhoods.
So, I wonder if the accusations have more of a generational tilt to it where the older folks are replaying in the backs of their minds the past and the two sides won't talk about the elephant in the room. The political realm today is more like a modern day All in the Family episode without the comedy and nobody's laughing.
AND, that brings up my last point. I really don't think these people who are so eager to bring up the "race relations" really want to talk at all. I think they want a monologue and not a dialogue. To have a real discussion on race would entail both sides saying things that might offend the other side WITHOUT the intention to offend, rather to openly say "this is how I see it." That's a dialogue we won't have.
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So their are racist whites that don't like O, but there aren't racist blacks that only support him because he is supposedly black? I get it.
Well if Jimmy Carter called out Al Sharpton then I agree with him there too.
But frankly I fail to see your point. Are you calling blacks that support Obama strictly because of the matter of his skin color, racists? I'm a white guy that didn't vote for Obama but I can somewhat comprehend the feeling I heard expressed from some African-Americans that voted for the guy. It wasn't one of hate of or superiority over whites. It was more a sense of pride on something that finally gave them a sense of belonging. I guess the closest thing that ever gave me such a moment happened 45 years ago, Browns 27 - Colts 0.
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To have a real discussion on race would entail both sides saying things that might offend the other side WITHOUT the intention to offend, rather to openly say "this is how I see it." That's a dialogue we won't have.
I dunno... seems to me that's just what's going on in here, for the most part. If we can do it, so can the rest of the country. Folks is just folks, you know? So far in here, I've seen people disagree (...without changing each others' minds, I might add....) but remain respectful of each other as human beings. Considering some of the more politically based boards I've seen recently, Dawgs here are downright virtuous by comparison.
This kind of talk is really what does it, if you ask me. If individuals get their talking points from pundits, bloggers, soundbytes, and ex-political office-holders, it's all good... so long as they use those talking points to actually think before they engage each other. That requires a level of commitment and integrity from both parties that seems to be in relatively short supply these days, but it can be done. True debate is a discipline and an artform. Most people only know how to argue.
To set my pov, I'd have to do it this way:
Opposition to the POTUS does not automatically imply racism.
Former President Carter did not infer such a thing.
What he said was that an element of racism exists in some of the opposition to the POTUS. His quote was, “there's an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president,” and that that feeling drives some of the anti-Obama dissent.
On that score, he's absolutely factual. There is photographic evidence to support his claims. To see for yourselves, Google the words "Washington Tea Party" and go to Google Images. The proof is there. Slam-dunk:
"Hey Hussein: Quit 'Dixie Chickin' our Counrty. Go Back to Kenya"
[printed in magic marker on a cardboard box]: "This sign is the brownest thing on this entire block"
"Impeach the Kenyan"
Impeach Owbama & the camel he rode in on."
"The American Taxpayers are Jews for Obama's ovens"
"Obama's plan = White Slavery"
...and this one, held by what looked like an 11 or 12 year-old boy:
"Obamacare: Monkey see/Monkey Spend." [complete with 'appropriate' characatures]
Now, the important question to ask is: what percentage of the President's opposition is represented by the people who wave these signs?"
That's anybody's guess. I'd say that they are probably the same percentage of lunatic fringe element you'd find in any national movement. The amount of press a faction gets is no indicator as to its prevalence.
So- the elephant in the room: Was racism behind Joe Wilson's outburst last week? I don't know. I've never met the man to talk to him. But I can also tell you this: give me an hour, one-on-one, and I'd have a definitive answer for you, one way or the other. Count on it. An uninterrupted hour with a person can tell you most of what you need to know- if you know how to listen, and cover enough territory.
Pres. Carter is free to give his opinion, as are any of us... especially since he was asked in an interview. I believe he was honest in his convictions, as he was never a politically savvy, agenda-driven man to begin with. Does it make him right? Yes, but only in specific cases. If the shoe fits (and it does on some) let the foot stink it up, bad enough for us to smell it. If not- we'll figure that out, too... through the kind of dialogue that's taking place in this forum.
Bigotry, racism, virulent hatred... too easy to hide with words, too easy to obfuscate with symantics, too difficult to prove in soundbytes and newsclips, usually.
But give us each an hour with them (or each other), and....
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Let me first say I have not read any posts in this thread but the first one......
Having said that let me say this......Anyone who does not think that at least a portion of the animosity directed toward Obama is due to racism is a fool. Honestly, people on this board were bitching about him on inauguration day. To me that is either racism or such a diehard conservative that that person would consider George Washington or John Adams unelectable.
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Anyone who does not think that at least a portion of the animosity directed toward Obama is due to racism is a fool
NOBODY here denies that, and yet people keep bringing it up. 
The gist of the article is that Jimmah seems to be blaming the vast majority of the criticism on racism. Anyone who thinks that is true is also a fool.
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Why yes it does, to not like his politics is fine, to bring his race into it is racist.
I guess this is where we will have to just disagree... Being racist implies that you treat somebody different because of their race, not that you notice their race or mention their race.... but that their race actually impacts how you feel about them.
So of the people who didn't like Bush and mentioned his life of privilege, are they class bigots?
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I'm sure that there is a lingering amount of racism in this country even today.
I am further sure that it is at its lowest level in this country's history.
I look at President Obama, and I don't see a black man. I see a man on the other side of ideology. He is very close, in political terms, to Ted Kennedy .... and I disagreed vehemently with him as well.
My fear is that we will become a nation of people relying on the government for subsistence. I choose to forge (and pay) my own way ... but that doesn't mean that I want to pay for everyone else as well. I work 50-60 hours per week. I should get to keep the rewards of my hard work, rather than subsidizing the lives of those who will not take care of their own lives. (and the lives of their children)
The American Dream was that anyone can make it in this country if they are willing to work hard and make the sacrifices success often demands. We have bastardized that dream to mean that everyone should have a comfortable stamdard of living whether or not they work for it or not. What we are seeing today is the result of 3 and 4 generations of people raised on, and trapped in this every expanding cycle of well meaning assistance which creates people who will never value hard work and its rewards. They will never know the joy of accomplishment. They will never know the satisfaction that comes from creating something for themselves ...... and knowing that it was through their own efforts that they succeeded. Frankly, that is a shame. Further, it is out national shame that some feel the need to create and expand programs and enlarge and reinfirce this cycle.
Back to the topic ..... I don't care what color someone's skin is. I try to use Martin Luther King's admonishment and judge not on the color of one's skin, but rather on the content of their character. Character is revealed by actions.
I have no doubt that President Obama thinks that this is the best path for America. As such he has the right, and responsibility to fight for it. On the other hand, those of us who disagree also have the right and responsibility to oppose it. Race need not, and often does not enter into it. It is merely the way we see humanity, its responsibilities, and the role of government.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Are you calling blacks that support Obama strictly because of the matter of his skin color, racists?
YES!!!!!! They are!!!!
If they voted for him based upon the color of his skin....If his race was the deciding factor in their choice......If they allowed race to play ANY part in their decision.....either for or against....the vote was a racist act.
Granted not on the scale of the 60's but it is still a racist act. Because race was the focal point and not the issues, policies, character, or actions of the man.
Racism even in a positive light is still racism....the NAACP, for all the good it does, is still a racist organization. Certainly the term "racist" should be held in a more literal definition as opposed to being used and understood in common form which is far more negative in context.....but by definition the NAACP is a racist organiztion....that is a fact.
It will be a wonderful day indeed when the NAACP will not be needed. Because it will mean we have TRULY made progress in race relations and race will be used only as a description for individual identification purposes and not as a societal stereotype marker. It will mean that blacks don't care about skin color, whites don't care about skin color, no one cares about skin color......it will mean we will have finally looked past race..........Then maybe we can move on to religion... 
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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It will be a wonderful day indeed when the NAACP will not be needed. Because it will mean we have TRULY made progress in race relations and race will be used only as a description for individual identification purposes and not as a societal stereotype marker. It will mean that blacks don't care about skin color, whites don't care about skin color, no one cares about skin color......it will mean we will have finally looked past race..........Then maybe we can move on to religion...
Problem is, as long as there is a NAACP, Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons. As long as it is ok for their to be black organizations, TV stations, magazines etc but for there to be white equivalents construed as racist, there will always be racism.
What's good for one race should be good for another. Today there is more black to white racism, than white to black.
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WOW Clem,, Well put.. Thanks.. 
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Problem is, as long as there is a NAACP, Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons. As long as it is ok for their to be black organizations, TV stations, magazines etc but for there to be white equivalents construed as racist, there will always be racism.
I agree.......
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What's good for one race should be good for another. Today there is more black to white racism, than white to black.
Not so sure I agree....I will say that the Black to White racism is far more subtle and not even aknowledged most of the time. And if it is aknowledged, it is tried to be justified because of the previous wrongs. It still does not make what happens right and just.
And this is where part of the problem is....Justice. How is it right to exact justice upon those who did not commit the acts.........but how can those who are a victim of those acts receive justice and move on. One side is telling the other to forget and move on and the other who can't possibly forget is telling the other you can't understand.
Equal treatment is the ultimate goal...but when one side has never received that, how are they to recognize it when it happens? Too often equal treatment is looked upon as discrimination if it doesn't go a certain way....I think we are just BEGINNING a phase in society now where both sides are learning where that line of equal treatment is.
Yes while those organizations exist and certain people continue to cry discrimination at the slightest thought of anything negative going against anyone....we will have racism.....but the longer we continue to treat people with equality as it pertains to race....the less those people will have an impact and less those organizations will be needed.... It could take 100 years or more....It could take 20, 30 or 40...Heck...look at the progress made since the 60's....But it can happen....
Time and perseverence will overcome....
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Sure, nobody wants to be labeled a racist so this is their way to shut up the dissenters. Make them afraid to speak up or they'll be called haters and racists. It probably works well on a lot of people.
I agree.
I don't think it will work this time...my hope is people are getting smarter.
The luster on this president has worn off...people are coming back to their senses.
We own the dome. He doesn't.
Keep up the pressure, damn the name calling.
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j/c Now Pelosi plays a different card... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_go_co/us_pelosi_angry_rhetoric By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer Laurie Kellman, Associated Press Writer – 19 mins ago WASHINGTON – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that the anti-government rhetoric over President Barack Obama's health care reform effort is troubling because it reminds her of the violent debate over gay rights that roiled San Francisco in the 1970s. Anyone voicing hateful or violent rhetoric, she told reporters, must take responsibility for the results. "I have concerns about some of the language that is being used because I saw this myself in the late '70s in San Francisco," Pelosi said, suddenly speaking quietly. "This kind of rhetoric was very frightening" and created a climate in which violence took place, she said. Former San Francisco Supervisor Dan White was convicted of the 1978 murders of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk, a gay rights activist. Other gay rights activists and others at the time saw a link between the assassinations and the violent debate over gay rights that had preceded them for years. During a rambling confession, White was quoted as saying, "I saw the city as going kind of downhill." His lawyers argued that he was mentally ill at the time. White committed suicide in 1985. Pelosi is part of a generation of California Democrats on whom the assassinations had a searing effect. A resident of San Fransisco, Pelosi had been a Democratic activist for years and knew Milk and Moscone. At the time of their murders, she was serving as chairwoman of her party in the northern part of the state. On Thursday, Pelosi was answering a question about whether the current vitriol concerned her. The questioner did not refer to the murders of Milk or Moscone, or the turmoil in San Francisco three decades ago. Pelosi referenced those events on her own and grew uncharacteristically emotional. "I wish that we would all, again, curb our enthusiasm in some of the statements that are made," Pelosi said. Some of the people hearing the message "are not as balanced as the person making the statement might assume," she said. "Our country is great because people can say what they think and they believe," she added. "But I also think that they have to take responsibility for any incitement that they may cause." Pelosi's office did not immediately respond to a request for examples of contemporary statements that reminded the speaker of the rhetoric of 1970s San Francisco. The public anger during health care town hall meetings in August spilled into the House last week when South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!" at Obama, the nation's first black president, during his speech. On a largely party-line vote, the House reprimanded Wilson. The tone of the protests has sparked a debate over whether the criticism of Obama, the nation's first black president, is really about his race. Former President Jimmy Carter has said he thinks the vitriol is racially motivated, but Obama does not believe that, a White House spokesman said. Asked about Pelosi's remarks Thursday, House Republican Leader John Boehner said he hasn't seen evidence that any of the public anger could lead to violence. And he took issue with Carter's remarks. "I reject this resoundingly," Boehner told reporters, noting that he and other Republicans called Obama's election last year a defining moment for the nation. "The outrage that we see in America has nothing to do with race," Boehner said. "It has everything to do with the policies that he is promoting. ------------------------- I love how Pelosi throws this out there but won't cite examples. Just another card to play and a cop out.
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LMAO!! This coming from one of the most polarizing figures in US history.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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J/C We are going to see something big here in the next few years.
You are going to see opposition locked up and people fighting back.
I know which side I am on....do you???
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