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Calm down....take 10 deeeeeeeep breaths. You ok?
Alright, I've been thinking about what OSU needs to get back to a relevant big football school. And what coaches might be avaiable and willing to move.
I'm not sure what Butchs buy out is at NC, but I do know he took a joke program and has it back pretty quick. I know that Miami was the premier school in the nation when he was there. The dude is a stud college coach, and recruiter.
I know alot are still in love with The Vest, but as long as hes here, we will only get worse and worse, as the 21st century style of play leaves him in the dust. Our beloved OSU is going to start having recruiting issues real soon if we dont get back to national prominence...
Butch would probably take the job...
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the Buckeyes are not a relevant big time football team?
apparently going to 3 national championship games, winning 1, and going to a BCS game nearly every other year (and yes, winning a share of those too) this past decade is not enough for you.
how many programs have had a better run this decade than OSU?
USC
Florida
maybe LSU....though it can be argued either way
maybe Texas....though again, it can be argued either way
then.....umm....Oklahoma? I think we'd have a solid case against them.
after that....Georgia, Utah (yes, Utah), and then falling off to Penn State, West Virginia, Boise, Michigan (they were good most of the decade) and teams in that tier (and Bama was too bad too often for the past couple years to rebound their whole decade)
So, at worst, we have the #6 team of the decade. Probably #5....and Possibly #3.
Yeah, fire Tressel...how dare we have a top5 program in the country.
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Articles were written like that about Tubby Smith at UK, too  The two situations have the potential to be very similar...
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Articles were written like that about Tubby Smith at UK, too
The two situations have the potential to be very similar...
they also have the potential to be completely different...
as long as we are winning the Big10, beating Michigan, and getting into these big games, we will be fine.
5 years ago Tressel and Stoops were coaching deities....Mack Brown was a guy who just couldn't win a big game. now, those tables are turned. no reason it can't/won't happen the other way again.
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Butch was always a good coach but only at the College level, he tried using the same technique at the NFL level and failed big time. His best move was and the only beneficial pick to the Browns was Ryan Pontbriand. He took so much flak for picking him in the draft but looking back at that draft, i'm happier than a puppy with 2 peters to have Pontbriand snapping the long ball, he's by far the best LS in the league and if he were to get cut today all 31 other teams would be in a race to get him signed. I'm not being sarcastic either he's that good.
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Articles were written like that about Tubby Smith at UK, too
The two situations have the potential to be very similar...
The only difference is, Tressel won't get fired. Why do you hate Ohio State so bad that you have to dream crap like that up ? The best of us Buckeye fans don't even wish this kind of ill on Michigan. I'm sorry, but I'm the kind of fan that hopes Kentucky gets back to being a good basketball team, because it's GOOD for college basketball. You use Kentucky basketball being in the dumper to justify your hate for Ohio State,..that is just sad.
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Besides,..Urban Meyer is the frontrunner.
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Articles were written like that about Tubby Smith at UK, too
The two situations have the potential to be very similar...
No. As UK fan, Tubby and his debacle of a point/shooting guard son were the worst thing to happen to that program, which spurred on his drunken successor which a corrupt coach will now have to fix.
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 I'm not an OSU fan, but I can't believe this is even a discussion given the success he's brought to the program. 
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This is similar to a post that a troll would make....
Wow.
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You are right, I do hate Ohio State. Because of their fans. But, my post had nothing to do with my hatred for Ohio State. I was just pointing out that I think Tressel is a bad coach. Good recruiter, bad gameday coach. While it's premature, I think Butch Davis would be a better coach for you if it were to happen. And, Tubby didn't get fired, either. And, Kentucky basketball being in the dumper? Have you checked this years pre-season rankings? 
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Every team has what others consider bad/poor fans. You wouldn't be happy if Tressel was 6-0 in those last six anyway,...
Preseason rankings mean nothing, but I do hope Kentucky gets back.
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Every team has what others consider bad/poor fans.
I agree. But living in Ohio, I deal with the Ohio State ones much more. Plus, I live with by far the most obnoxious Ohio State fan ever.
I used to root for Ohio State to do well until I moved in with him.
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I was just pointing out that I think Tressel is a bad coach. Good recruiter, bad gameday coach.
I understand your points and you are one of the more level-headed people on this board....so I'm not trying to attack you here.
however, I don't think Tressel is a bad coach at all. He has a conservative style....which can come back to bite him. Just like Les Miles with his ultra-aggressive style comes back to bite him at times.
but, he has been willing to change his offense to fit the recruits he has gotten....our offense has undergone massive makeovers from Krenzel (power-running, deep throws when the safeties cheat...70's Raiders style) to Troy Smith (spread-offense or run-n-shoot....4-5 wide lots of short routes) to Pryor (lots of off-tackle running with the focus of the passing on the midrange throws).
Yes, I'd like to see more running from Pryor (he seems like he's trying to prove to the world he can throw the ball even when he can pick up a first down with an easy run)......but I like how Tressell evolves his offense for the personel on hand. Most programs do NOT do that (see Notre Dame...even Oklahoma to some respect tries to force-fit their offense).
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1. I don't think Butch would leave UNC for any job outside of the southeast, either Florida State or Miami or in the SEC.
2. I think Tressel does a fine job, his problem has never been recruiting OR coaching, he does well at both. The problem is that there are better athletes in the southeast, Texas, and the westcoast than in the midwest..... and it's hard to get them out of there when they have other, equally attractive options closer to home. He gets the best players he can and is making progress. The team speed gap in this most recent USC game appears to be closing.
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1. I don't think Butch would leave UNC for any job outside of the southeast, either Florida State or Miami or in the SEC.
2. I think Tressel does a fine job, his problem has never been recruiting OR coaching, he does well at both. The problem is that there are better athletes in the southeast, Texas, and the westcoast than in the midwebst..... and it's hard to get them out of there when they have other, equally attractive options closer to home. He gets the best players he can and is making progress. The team speed gap in this most recent USC game appears to be closing.
Sheer geographic population shifts -- it's so simple.
In places like Youngstown, the population in the Valley (to include Warren) numbered near a million in 1970,...what is it now ? Probably lucky to be 250-300K . There are more high schools in Florida than there are kids in Ohio (my colloquial "stretch" of the truth -- but it makes the point).
More kids = more athletes.
More (smaller) schools in Ohio trying to get better so they can chase the money too = tougher recruiting; not to mention USC had two on their roster, and Michigan and Notre Dame don't ignore the state either. So recruiting against an ever-shrinking pool is another factor. Penn State's QB is a Youngstown kid,...
Would Woody have had 7/8 kids from Florida on his roster ? Tressel does,...he ain't stupid. This statement is meant to be a comparison of 'that time' against now,...
You said it DC, he is doing the best he can. The guy would be a 4-star general in the Marine Corps had the chips fallen that way,....I can't honestly speak to the character of other coaches in that regard, but I would surely have my doubts.
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I think far too many people have just been soured on Butch to see that he's actually a top-notch college coach.
I don't care for OSU, but if I did, I wouldn't be wanting to drop Tressel.
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I think far too many people have just been soured on Butch to see that he's actually a top-notch college coach.
I can agree with that, he put together maybe the greatest college team of all time with the 2001 Canes, he should've stayed around to coach it and he'd have atleast 1 ring maybe 2. A big thanks to Larry Coker for playing Jarret Payton and not Frank Gore when Mcgahee went down.
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I don't care for OSU, but if I did, I wouldn't be wanting to drop Tressel.
The fire Tressel stuff is ludicrous.
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Sheer geographic population shifts -- it's so simple.
In places like Youngstown, the population in the Valley (to include Warren) numbered near a million in 1970,...what is it now ? Probably lucky to be 250-300K . There are more high schools in Florida than there are kids in Ohio (my colloquial "stretch" of the truth -- but it makes the point).
More kids = more athletes.
I think that's part of it. I also think a lot of it is that the nature of the game has changed. Midwest schools used to dominate with size and strength, they wore down speed and eventually ran over it. Speed is now king because of the way the game is played (it doesn't hurt that the really fast guys are also now about the same size as the slower guys).
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More (smaller) schools in Ohio trying to get better so they can chase the money too = tougher recruiting; not to mention USC had two on their roster, and Michigan and Notre Dame don't ignore the state either. So recruiting against an ever-shrinking pool is another factor. Penn State's QB is a Youngstown kid,...
Not sure I buy the competition arguement when the a kid in Florida has Miami, Florida, FSU, Georgia, LSU, Georgia Tech, Alabama, etc all recruiting there... and as you said, even OSU is fighting for these kids now..
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You said it DC, he is doing the best he can. The guy would be a 4-star general in the Marine Corps had the chips fallen that way,....I can't honestly speak to the character of other coaches in that regard, but I would surely have my doubts.
See thats the big problem...Tressel is a good guy, but that doesnt mean he's a good football coach. He has little to no competition in Ohio, MI, IN and ILL right now.
He has character, and he makes men outta boys...yadda yadda yadda...thats great. But this is football, and outside of beating MAC and Big Ten schools(except Penn St., the only other team with a pulse in the big 10) he has beaten nobody, nobody.
We can't even hang with an SEC team, we get beat by a Freshman QB, AT HOME, when leading into the 4th qrt. He'll never win anything here....look at how the man is handling Pryor, hes trying to make him into Troy Smith instead of molding the offense around Pryor.
He said it himself, hes going to do nothing different, which means more losing and embarrassment, and that will come back to bite us eventually. But then again, 99% of college fans cant look at anything objectively.
Tressel needs to go, I could win 8 games with the Bucks every year. When we dont have 10x the talent as the other team, we lose. Beating MI means nothing right now, winning the big 10 means nothing now.
Unless OSU is now longer about winning it all, and they are conceding to be a second tier school, then fine keep Tressel. Wanna actually win a game that matters in the next 5 years?
He did exactly what so many coaches have, he came into to a perfect scenario, won, and then hasnt been able to even get close to it again. By the end of the season, it will finally sink in to Bucks fans that Tressel is not the answer.
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He did exactly what so many coaches have, he came into to a perfect scenario, won, and then hasnt been able to even get close to it again. By the end of the season, it will finally sink in to Bucks fans that Tressel is not the answer.
Wow... you should really stop making crap up. Since 1998, only one team has played for a national championship more times than OSU has under Tressel (Oklahoma -- they've only won once too). Florida St. and Ohio State are tied for second in national championship appearances with three each (each of them winning once). LSU and Florida are each 2-for-2 in their nationional championship appearances and they are the only two teams to win the whole enchilada more than once in the BCS era.
By anybody's reckoning, his record puts Tressel among today's elite college coaches. You're argument holds no water whatsoever.
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National Championships.... Tressel = 1 Butch = 0 
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I'm not sold on Butch being the answer for OSU...but if Tressel keeps being embarrased like he has been at the national level, people are going to want change. Each year I've watched that team play worse and worse and Tressel was really the only part of OSU I liked.
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well last few times it seems like we have almost had the teams on the ropes but just let the game slip in the last few mins of the game...case in point ....tx and USC. If we got blown out in both of these then there would be a HUGGGGEE PROBLEM....i would be SOOO confused...i still would want tress...but a part of me would say well he can't play with the big boys..there is no other choice...THAT IS NOT THE CASE! i love tressell ball...and always will...(ps i might not some days lol..but for the most part i'll take it over BUTCH)
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You said it DC, he is doing the best he can. The guy would be a 4-star general in the Marine Corps had the chips fallen that way,....I can't honestly speak to the character of other coaches in that regard, but I would surely have my doubts.
See thats the big problem...Tressel is a good guy, but that doesnt mean he's a good football coach. He has little to no competition in Ohio, MI, IN and ILL right now.
He has character, and he makes men outta boys...yadda yadda yadda...thats great. But this is football, and outside of beating MAC and Big Ten schools(except Penn St., the only other team with a pulse in the big 10) he has beaten nobody, nobody.
We can't even hang with an SEC team, we get beat by a Freshman QB, AT HOME, when leading into the 4th qrt. He'll never win anything here....look at how the man is handling Pryor, hes trying to make him into Troy Smith instead of molding the offense around Pryor.
He said it himself, hes going to do nothing different, which means more losing and embarrassment, and that will come back to bite us eventually. But then again, 99% of college fans cant look at anything objectively.
Tressel needs to go, I could win 8 games with the Bucks every year. When we dont have 10x the talent as the other team, we lose. Beating MI means nothing right now, winning the big 10 means nothing now.
Unless OSU is now longer about winning it all, and they are conceding to be a second tier school, then fine keep Tressel. Wanna actually win a game that matters in the next 5 years?
He did exactly what so many coaches have, he came into to a perfect scenario, won, and then hasnt been able to even get close to it again. By the end of the season, it will finally sink in to Bucks fans that Tressel is not the answer.
You need to read this:
http://www.wewillalwayshavetempe.com/2009/9/16/1030476/attention-knuckleheads
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I'm not an OSU fan, but I can't believe this is even a discussion given the success he's brought to the program.
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This is the dumbest poll ever. Are you freaking serious? Do me another favor,when referring to TOSU never say the word "WE" again.
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