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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/16/sources-agents-steering-players-away-from-browns/Sources: Agents steering players away from Browns Posted by Mike Florio on September 16, 2009 7:28 PM ET Though the Cleveland Browns were able to lure to town today a couple of players with connections to coach Eric Mangini (safety Ray Ventrone and guard Billy Yates), multiple sources have told us that some agents plan to steer their clients away from the Browns. Right or wrong, there's a sense of discontent regarding the new regime in Cleveland, where coach Eric Mangini and G.M. George Kokinis are running the show, with Mangini serving essentially as the man in charge. A variety of issues have contributed to the situation, and we're in the process of tracking down specific details regarding some of the potential problem areas. In the offseason, feathers were ruffled when Mangini took first-year players on a ten-hour bus ride to Hartford, Connecticut to work a youth football camp. Also, the lingering contractual impasse regarding receiver Josh Cribbs could be creating trust issues, given Cribbs' strong belief that owner Randy Lerner promised to re-work Cribbs' below-market deal, and the fact that Mangini/Kokinis have denied the allegation. The Cribbs conundrum reminds many of the disputes that arose when Mangini coached the Jets, including guard Pete Kendall, receiver Laveranues Coles, and tight end Chris Baker. All claimed that promises had been made regarding their contracts, and that the promises had been broken. As one source explained it, the Browns likely will be required to overpay free agents in the offseason. If the money that Cleveland is offering matches the money on the table from another team, the thinking is that the players will be far more inclined to sign with the team not named the Browns. UPDATE: In response to this item, an agent who was not one of the sources for the original item contacted us, agreed with it wholeheartedly, and said, "I would put one of my players on another team's practice squad before putting him on the Browns." I'm being cautiously optmistic about the new regime, but we need to win. As they say "Winnng cures everything". If we continue to be a losing franchise no free agent will want to be part of a losing franchise with an ... for a coach unless we overpay like the article references. I really hope we have the right regime in here to turn this thing around. I was all for Crennell until we got him and his inmates running the assylum coaching style. Now we have te complete opposite and we still get a bad rap. Tom Coughlin ran the Giants the same way and the players and fans wanted to run him out of town until he won a Super Bowl and now we don't hear anything about him.
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"I would put one of my players on another team's practice squad before putting him on the Browns."
And the very next day that player would have new representation. NO agent would do this even if they said so.
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First off, this article is just a rehash of some specific incidents and reminder that the media hates Mangini. Second, just one agent is mentioned as saying something, not agentS plural as the headline states.
The agnostic that I am keeps boucing back & forth on this issue. Could Mangini really be too unrealistic and just about impossible to work for? Or is the player of today just too soft and whiny? Or a little of both?
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem at ALL w/ how Mangini has run things so far. But if more players and agents decided to avoid the Browns because of him, that would be bad . . .
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Yessir, once this team starts winning, players are really going to start staying away from this team. What a freakin' joke.
Is it possible that players will stay away from here just because they don't like the FO and coach? Yeah.
But how can he say that players don't want to play here, but then the FAs who do come here, he dismisses them as a veritable sidethought.
Once this team gets turned around, players won't have a problem coming here.
Right now, I have a feeling people don't want to come here because of a combination of factors, including the coach, but just as importantly, our poor play, the fact that this is Cleveland and not New York or Miami, and likely other factors as well.
I'm not dismissing the possibility that this article is true. I just think that there are other things to be considered, too.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Agent: "Son, you can get some playing time with the Browns, but I suggest you sign with the Lions and get some quality practice squad experience"! Thud....the sound of said players foot on agents backside as he flies out the door. These guys even read or put an ounce of thought into their stories? 
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Or we can build through the draft and only re-sign our key talent....that's how GB/Pitt has done it for the past few years. The reason we need free agents is because we draft like sheet
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Eh, what that agent said just seems like exaggeration to prove a point. I sincerely doubt that any agent would ever do it. But, it helps enhance the point these agents are trying to make.
Also, I wonder who the agents are that feel this way. Is it the big time guys, or the middle tier guys? Would they not want their clients to come here because we're hard bargainers and wouldn't give their clients these ridiculous deals? Or is it just because they think Mangini and Kokinis are mean because they won't uphold promises made by someone else that they're not beholden to whatsoever?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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A variety of issues have contributed to the situation, and we're in the process of tracking down specific details regarding some of the potential problem areas.
Specific details would be good, whenever the "sources" provide them, that is. 
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Stupid article...if there are agents doing this , then they basing it on the players no longer here..and other agents telling them to steer clear..
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Could Mangini really be too unrealistic and just about impossible to work for? Or is the player of today just too soft and whiny? Or a little of both?
This is neither a pro or con Mangini post... but other coaches get the same whiny players of today to work hard and perform and win... maybe you have to do it a little different than you did 30 years ago, if that's the case, do it.... and win.
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A variety of issues have contributed to the situation, and we're in the process of tracking down specific details regarding some of the potential problem areas.
In the offseason, feathers were ruffled when Mangini took first-year players on a ten-hour bus ride to Hartford, Connecticut to work a youth football camp. Also, the lingering contractual impasse regarding receiver Josh Cribbs could be creating trust issues, given Cribbs' strong belief that owner Randy Lerner promised to re-work Cribbs' below-market deal, and the fact that Mangini/Kokinis have denied the allegation.
The Cribbs conundrum reminds many of the disputes that arose when Mangini coached the Jets, including guard Pete Kendall, receiver Laveranues Coles, and tight end Chris Baker. All claimed that promises had been made regarding their contracts, and that the promises had been broken.
I love that they site two reasons. The first might be a legitimate gripe. The second is a complete reach.
If any promises that were made to Cribbs happened they happened under the Last regime. Trying to pin them on Mangini and Kokinis is just poor reporting.
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Trying to pin them on Mangini and Kokinis is just poor reporting.
Mike Florio at ProFootballTalk, yep you got that right.
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Oh great now PFT is using CoachB as a source 
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just another bash Mangini article...
screw the agents  the devils of the NFL structure...
screw the media the bozo's of the NFL structure.
quite frankly I'm sick of the FA market anyways.
I didn't see us struggle in going after players that we wanted?
I didn't see us turn down Cribbs and last I heard we were negotiating with purpose now that we gave him the opportunity to be a position player. Its not about giving him a new contract its about How Much and What For!
As for the past dealing with the JETS....ummm lets see Mangini young and in his first HC job had all this power? Of course it had nothing to do with Tannebaum not following through with his HC asking that a player deserved a new contract or not.
But we are to believe the young first time HC was given carte blanch for any and every move the team made and Tannebaum was just a puppet... 
So a couple of low level Agents were able to be dug up and say something bad about Mangini.
What this is all about....The rookies going to the Conn Camp. A volunteer basis which according to the agents would have had our rookies cut if they didn't show - total BS!!!
Like the 10 rookies or so that got cut who attended that camp...gee it did them a lot of good. Like if they didn't go and played good football it would have been held against them... yeah right.
Anything stated by Agents...just remember they are the Devil talking and they would never LIE or Miss represent the facts - these guys wish to run the NFL.
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what a line of BS
Agnets are soulless they dont care if thier player ends up playing in Nome Alaska during the winter as long as they get thier cut of the $$$$. so to say thier staying clear of the Borwns say 1. These agents are morons and 2. Thier not doing thier clients right, but getting them the best deal they can. These idiots might have felt pretty smart while talking about Mangini and our team, but potental Free agent players looking for an agent is gonna remember these guys worried more about coach than about the $$$$ the player could make, opening thier mouths could come back and back fire on themselves in the future.
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The team starts to win and you will have FA's lineing up outside the door to get in..
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While I love PFT, Florio is from W. Va. He hates the Browns. We have a LOT of bad stuff to write about, and it's fine w/me writing about Cribb's contract or Mangini and his stupid secrecy. This is just a horrible article. Like you I wonder........what Agent? For what Player? Sean Smiths agent?
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I wonder if these agents are also steering them away from the Steelers as well since they get a FA. Who cares, lets build our own talent anyways.
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You are absolutely right ,,,,,,, If Lerner got it right with Gini & konky ???????.. Time will tell 
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I don't agree with the part re: practice squad/browns roster.
The rest seems about right. What part of this list would entice players to want to come here?
Consistent losing culture
Tough HC
Past staph infections
High state income tax
Cleveland, probably not the city of choice for professional athletes in their 20's
I could probably come up with more, but of course we're going to have to pay top dollar for free agents. Savage did it consistently.
Even if you want to debate those things, it's more about perception anyway.
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I don't agree with the part re: practice squad/browns roster.
The rest seems about right. What part of this list would entice players to want to come here?
Consistent losing culture
Tough HC
Past staph infections
High state income tax
Cleveland, probably not the city of choice for professional athletes in their 20's
I could probably come up with more, but of course we're going to have to pay top dollar for free agents. Savage did it consistently.
Even if you want to debate those things, it's more about perception anyway.
The nations capital doesn't seem to help Snyder getting any great deals on free agents for the Redskins. Talk about overpaying.. if we are a joke what is that ?
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The nations capital doesn't seem to help Snyder getting any great deals on free agents for the Redskins. Talk about overpaying.. if we are a joke what is that ?
to agents (source of the story), the Redskins are the best-run team in professional sports....maybe 2nd to the Yankees.
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How about Mass, or CA or Mich.
Illinois isn't cheap.. by that thinking, the best place might be Florida!
I doubt that reason comes into play.
As for the rest of your reasons, I would think that the only one that makes sense is the losing culture.
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.. by that thinking, the best place might be Florida!
or Texas
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If the money that Cleveland is offering matches the money on the table from another team, the thinking is that the players will be far more inclined to sign with the team not named the Browns.
Uhh, yeah, in order to sign a player you're going to have to outbid any other team.
Money talks, that's the way it's always been.
This article is nothing other than some writer who is trying to create a story for himself. - No sources= no credibility.
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Florio usually has a negative spin, but I don't think he's making it up. I've grown up in the Cleveland area my entire life and rooted for Cleveland teams. I realize money is the most important factor, winning probably second.
Forget his article/writeup/whatever, pay and all else being equal, do you come to Cleveland or do you go to Dallas/New England/wherever? Be realistic. You're not coming here.
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I was gonna say,...why would this matter to a millionaire ?
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Right or wrong, there's a sense of discontent regarding the new regime in Cleveland, where coach Eric Mangini and G.M. George Kokinis are running the show, with Mangini serving essentially as the man in charge. Which is the way it should be. Or would we like to see another round of an inexperienced, non-coach of a GM telling the HC what to do? That worked out real nice for both the team, the fans and last but not least more than a few careers of players and assistant coaches.
A variety of issues have contributed to the situation, and we're in the process of tracking down specific details regarding some of the potential problem areas.
In the offseason, feathers were ruffled when Mangini took first-year players on a ten-hour bus ride to Hartford, Connecticut to work a youth football camp. It was voluntary. Also, the lingering contractual impasse regarding receiver Josh Cribbs could be creating trust issues, given Cribbs' strong belief that owner Randy Lerner promised to re-work Cribbs' below-market deal, and the fact that Mangini/Kokinis have denied the allegation. Mangini/Kokinis were not even here when Lerner did or did not make that promise. Why pin it on them.
The Cribbs conundrum reminds many of the disputes that arose when Mangini coached the Jets, including guard Pete Kendall, receiver Laveranues Coles, and tight end Chris Baker. All claimed that promises had been made regarding their contracts, and that the promises had been broken. So, Mangini was not here when the Cribbs promise was or was not made but he gets the blame because the same sort of thing happened in NY? Since Mangini made no promise to Cribbs, how does whatever happened in NY link Mangini to "the promise".
As one source explained it, the Browns likely will be required to overpay free agents in the offseason. If the money that Cleveland is offering matches the money on the table from another team, the thinking is that the players will be far more inclined to sign with the team not named the Browns. Until we start winning.
UPDATE: In response to this item, an agent who was not one of the sources for the original item contacted us, agreed with it wholeheartedly, and said, "I would put one of my players on another team's practice squad before putting him on the Browns." He's a freaking liar. Straight up.
So, where's the variety of issues mentioned in the beginning of the articfle? Let's see, we have the football camp and Cribbs contract promise that Mangini had nothing to do with. By my count the variety of issues adds up to 1.
This is nothing more than a hate article which is thin and wispy in backing itself up with any kind of raise your eyebrow evidence.
Poppycock I call it. Poppycock.
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I don't know if it is true or not but it looks like a bunch of homer replies on this thread.
Look guys....agents steer players away from teams all the time for a multitude of reasons.....unless there are no other options.
I don't know why they may be doing this, but is so, it does reflect a problem in C town.
I don't think you can just brush if off as "evil agents"....good gosh.
If you are here rapping agents, then you agree with the premise of the article.
If so, the you need to ask yourself why would they do that??
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Do you really think any agent would sign his guy to a practice squad rather than a lucritive contract with the Browns?
Some of these PFT articles just have nothing to back them up.
The article makes the claim from the beginning that there are "various issues" but only came up with two of them and one of them, "the promise", was done before he even got here.
The responses are not so much homerism but more of the GMAB variety. If PFT has some evidence that carries some weight then lets hear it. But to make just a judgement based on so little exposure make me wonder why they bothered writing the story in the first place.
I don't deny that things go on. But what things? A bus trip and a broken promise made by someone else? These are what makes Mangini someone to steer clear of?
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The first source was probably a Poston, the second one to call in after was probably the other Poston. If that humorous thought were true, then good. I hate those guys.
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Amen, many of them are nothing more than back room gossip, or made up crap. Yet many "Unwise" folks around here take them as gospel 
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PFT is still the garbage rumor-mill site full of hack articles that it always has been.... it now is just "legitimized" by being bought by NBC Sports.
Browns is the Browns
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It's hard to take any article seriously when you don't know the source... any of us could start a blog and make comments like, "sources inside the Browns training facility have stated"....
That's fine for what it's worth but what if my sources inside the browns facility turn out to be a cousin of the uncle of the brother who has a nephew that cuts the grass on the practice field in Berea?
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When i logged into AOL this morning to check my e-mails I saw this little headline and clicked on it. Mangini fines player for water bottle I don't know how true it is but just thought i'd share it.
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Imo...Thats what it`s all about..The Coach being in charge and the players doing what they are asked to do. Got to give the coach a chance to see what he can accomplish. As the coach gives a player a chance to see what he can accomplish.
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