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Interesting...posted the same article+ another 1...and got deleted along with another post....refs? wtf is this?

It says the Browns fined the player. Is that Mangini? I really have no way of knowing one way or the other.

For some reason, I can see this being true. And, I don't really have a problem with it. My reasoning:

1) We don't know if this happens with all teams.
2) What was the rationale behind the fine? Was it solely for the water bottle thing? Was it because the guy didn't pay for it?

I guess I just don't know enough.

Maybe Mangini is a total jerk. If he turns this team around, we won't care one bit. It's still too early for me to see if he's doing that or not.

JMHO

I don't like to make judgments until I know a little more. When I see "the Browns", I don't automatically assume it was Mangini. Is it likely that it was? Yeah, I'm not that naive. But I don't just jump to the conclusion automatically.

There really is no details. I am reserving judgment until I get more facts.

I bet it was Edwards.

I actually agree with you Peen...that's unusual..lol.

We are on the verge of being a team that players avoid like the plague. Mangini has a very short leash imo, because if we have another 4-12 season I don't see FAs coming here either. I mean be honest would want to come to a consistant loser who has a butthole for a boss (HC)?? I wouldn't and neither will players who have waited their whole careers to be able to place themselves in a good situation.


We love the Browns, and sometimes forget that we are the bottom feeders of the NFL right now. Until we start to win I figure players are going to avoid us, and we will have to overpay.

Who knows...how true...how this Silver has the scoop

What were the circumstances...were the Browns told as a priority to not take anything from the Hotel rooms without paying? Why - cause we don't want team being accused of STEALING??? who knows what the circumstances were.

Maybe its a life lesson and they are no average HOTEL PATRONS and are on a pedestal and must make RIGHT DECISIONS which start with Little ones and usually grow into the big ones. And have been Schooled on the Don'ts and still its done???

Who knows.

I do know several things.

The MEDIA hates Mangini...did he like campaign for Sarah Palin or something??

I also do know this will bite him in the butt only if we are losers...
I also know the Haters in most things will shut their pie holes if good things happen.

Mangini Wins and all is good.

If we lose and lose a lot any coach eventually loses the team. The Players coach will be criticized for being too soft. The disciplinarian will be criticized for being too hard.

And most agents are Scum...pure n simple - sure they are looking to get MORE for their players...but don't care HOW, and what Mud slinging they have to do and who they have to tear down.

Not all...but enough to ruin the reputation of the whole.

JMHO

don't see the big deal...1700 bucks in nothing to these guys...

sends a great msg.....pay your bill when you leave...

whats the alternative...rumors spread that the browns are a bunch of thieves that don't have to settle there bills?

Thank you for explaining that in 1000 words less than I would have had to use.

There is no doubt that Mangini brought baggage with him ! .. I think most Brown fans realize the gentleman is not well liked in the NFL Media ( to say the least ).. He needs to win soon and often or the folks are going to start pointing a serious finger at Lerner ..

The question wasn't whether or not we could get FAs........but how much $$$ we would have to overspend to get them to come here. On that front we have routinely have had to overpay in the past as well.

It's not going to get better, but rather worse. The author was wrong when he said players would sign on a teams practice squad rather than a lucritive deal elsewhere. However, he isn't wrong when he says if the $$$ is close to equal they aren't going to come to here.

If we win all is good, and it doesn't matter. However, if we drop another turd like last year, and have an ... for a coach............sorry players are not coming here without grossly overpaying for them. I hope we win and don't have to worry about it.

Kevin "NeckTie" Shaffer...........Dontae Stallworth.......Earl Holmes.......Bentley (yes he counts).......Jeff Garcia....etc.

It could also be argued that we overpaid for ES, but given the asinine contracts that any top flight OG has got the past 3 years I'll call that market value..lol.

Also, this has gone on since the Botch days so it isn't 1 GM/HC giving stupid contracts either. Winning cures all of this, but reversely if we don't turn it around THIS year it's going to be worse. Mangini is known around the league as a horse's butt.......Romeo ehhh maybe incompetent, but a nice guy. If all things are equal your not going to go play for a butt hole that's a loser over a nice guy loser...lol...if that makes since.

Mangini and his style of coaching in today's NFL has to show immediate results imo. If not players simply won't play for a butt hole that's a loser. If you win your Bellyache, and everything is great...........you lose and it can roll down quick if you know what I mean.........much quicker than a "players coach".

I say again, the writer is full of crap on alot of this stuff, but he does bring 2 legitimate points imo............

1. We are a perennial loser year in and year out. Players tend to avoid teams like that with out big time $$$ involved.

2. If your a loser with a butt hole for a coach and seem to be disaray as an organization players seem to really avoid you.

The Bucs overpaid for Faine. We did not overpay for Bentley. He should still be the best center in the NFL.

You think Stallworth got a market deal???..........psst don't tell Cribbs agent..lol...he's as an accomplished WR as DS..lol. Garcia's deal was actually questioned by the "gurus" as being high, because we were one of few teams interested, and paid big $$$$ for him. Sorry those aren't names they are examples.

By the way, my point is it's going to be MUCH harder NOW if we continue to lose, because although we sucked before, we had a coach who was respected around the league, and were thought to be an up and coming organization. Now we have a guy who isn't respected around the league, and the organization has to be a ??? considering how they have yet to field a competitive team since rebirth.......despite the fact we've had 4 HCs, 3 GM/HOFOs, and numerous coordinators. I know I'm in the minority, but I do think this is a HUGE year for us bro. We are teetering on the verge of becoming the Lions, Raiders, and Bengals of the world. Mangini has to show he's capable this year. The good news is I think we will. I don't expect the playoffs, but 9/8 wins isn't a stretch considering this schedule. We will know alot more after today, because the Donks are awful.



By the way wanna have some Necktie flashbacks???........watch St. Claire today..lol.

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on the verge of becoming the Lions, Raiders, and Bengals of the world

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It appears we've fallen off the edge of that verge. The chaotic Broncos just spanked us.

But we've been in the same STINK class as those teams for bit now. Watch any sports show. pre game , post game, it doesn't matter. We are only spoken about in a negative light or with snickering. even when the play doesnt quite deserve it, they find a way to mention something bad.

That will not change until we win football games.

This whole thing is BS. There is probably an agent with one or more players on the Browns ..... probably under a long term contract ..... who is trying to get the coach to ease up on them.

The Bew England Patriots have had some of the most fearsome training camps around. I can't recall many players rushing to sign with teams like the Lions or Browns for similar money despite "players coaches" in previous years.

jc

whoever wants a good laugh go watch todays presser from Mangini....it's comical as a whole but the ending when he explains why he did fine a player for "bottlegate" and ends it with "and I don't apologize" without anyone suggesting it is hilarious ...and quite revealing imho

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Mangini-defends-his-policy-on-fining-players.html

Wilson: Mangini defends his policy on fining players

Player was fined $1,701 for not paying for a $3 bottle of water

Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini didn't deny a report that he fined a player $1,701 for failing to pay for a $3 bottle of water at his hotel room.

Eric ManginiAPEric Mangini has an extensive set of fines set up for various rule infractions.

Mangini has also reportedly fined a player an identical figure for not paying for a movie charged to a hotel room.

Facing heavy criticism for what seems to be a nitpicking nature, Mangini he refused to apologize for setting high standards of personal conduct from his players.

"I won't talk about the specifics of the fines or who's involved, but I don't like taking players' money, but the rules are in place because we're a very diverse group of people," Mangini said in remarks distributed by the team. "The rules are set up to make sure we can operate as effectively as possible. They're clearly laid out, they're clearly explained, expectations are explained. I don't ask anybody to do anything that anybody else in society isn't asked to do; that normal, mature people aren't to do.

"When we go to hotels, we pay incidentals. We don't park in handicapped spots, we don't park in fire lanes, we don't park in somebody else's spot. I don't think anybody here does and I don't think that the equipment guy deserves any less respect or the secretary deserves any less respect than anybody else in the organization."

Mangini went on to say that his rules are about treating people the right way, but didn't make it clear how a player not paying for a bottle of water or a movie was a problem or a sign of disrespect.

"They may not play on the field, but they have every right to be respected the same way," Mangini said. "I believe in that. I believe people should be mature and approach things in a responsible way. And I believe that people in the organization should have that respect from everybody.

"I'm going to keep believing that, I'm going to keep demanding that we have mature, responsible people as part of the Browns. I make no apologizes for that."

As for potential grievances being fined, Mangini's response essentially was one of, bring it on.

"I understand things can be presented in a lot of different ways, but I've clearly articulated to the players why we have rules and regulations," Mangini said. "It's spelled out. There's a grievance system. If they want to grieve it, they have every right to do that."

Mangini has already been punished himself this season, a much heftier amount.

He was fined $25,000 last week by NFL executive vice president of football operation Ray Anderson for his role in failing to report that quarterback Brett Favre had a torn biceps tendon when he was with the New York Jets and Mangini was the Jets' coach.

This isn't school and Mangini isn't their school teacher....he's not on an educational mission. Most of the players ARE hacks....he won't change that or make them better people and for sure not better players by dishing out those moronic fines....parking on handicap park slot? ok, I'd understand that...and everybody would but a bottle of water? Maybe the player simply forgot or thought it'd be paid by the team....that's just BS

Also, I highlighted the grievance part because it's hilarious...he wants to reach his players on an ethical level and then goes on to say they can file a grievance against him....yeah right, they'd only be fired then. First he treats em like sheep and then like employes silently swinging his bullwhip...wow, I'm amazed...imagine having a boss like this with those poor communication skills....I'd hate him for sure.....what a complete utter moron....I'm sure that will let them "run through a wall" for him on sundays...we've already seen signs that nobodys really playing for him by going through the motions....they already seem apathetic and fed up of this clown....after 2 games that is

He's a bigoted lunatic..he just doesn't get it..

Funny,


Browns coaches are screwed, last year RAC no control, people screaming we need disopline, team running wild, RAC lost the team, they do what they want, we cant win becuase no disapline......Now we have it and fans are screaming & crying about it too stern, to hard on players, nobody wnats to play here becuase he's to mean....LOL....maybe coaches & players dont wanna come to Cleveland becuase they now nothing they do is gonna be good enough for the fans, Maybe we need to stop our pouting & crying first, maybe we need to step up and actually support a team & coach instead of ripping them apart after two games, hey lets try this, lets give them a chance.....

I've repeatedly said that he's just the anti-RAC....the extreme opposite is as ineffective imho and he represents that....we needed something in between the RAC-pal coach and "Respect my authority" boot camper....remember the comment on numerous articles out of NY after he was fired? Players there walking on eggshells...that's not a good working invironment and not enhancing their game for sure

Her's a mangini qiote (r.e. the "WATERgate" fine ).

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''When we go to hotels, we pay incidentals. We don't park in handicapped spots, we don't park in fire lanes, we don't park in somebody else's spot. I don't think the equipment guy or the secretary deserves any less respect than anybody else in the organization. I believe people should be mature and approach things in a responsible way. I'm going to keep believing that, I'm going to keep demanding that we have mature, responsible people as part of the Browns.''

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What, exactly, is wrong with it? Nothing, IMO.

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What, exactly, is wrong with it? Nothing, IMO.

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I find it intresting and it proves winning cures everything, But if Belichek would have done this or even Coughlin what would the media spin be, probebly something like, this is why these guys are winners, they have control of thier teams, they run a tight ship, they know how to build winners....ect. but if you do this on a losing team your over bearing, treating men like boys....

Maybe we have the right Coach.......it's the players who need to be changed, after all thier the ones playing the game.

I'm behind Mangini 110% on this one, nothing wrong with disapline, Men who act like men it wont effect them, the ones who abuse it or need it will be the ones who complaine, maybe they should go.

J/C

To me it isn't a matter of if we can get any of these guys...again, if true, it is simply a matter of agents advising their clients that Cleveland isn't the place to be and view us as a last resort.

Sure, if this is the only job available, or we throw the ranch at someone people are going to sign, but if it is between us and someone else, the someone else might get the break in so far as negotiation attitude or position.

That is how I read the comments.

j/c

regardless of whether mangini is here for the long term, the one thing i can count on is while he's here, we're going to get players that fit our scheme. we're not gonna get 4-3 linebackers and make them play a 3-4. our next coach, if we get one, will at least have even more pieces to one scheme as opposed to what mangini was given which was more half-n-half.

I wonder if some opinions expressed might be different today??

the 0-3 record will steer people away.. lol