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why are so many people afraid of Derek Anderson?
Are they scared Anderson will come in and start winning games, and their precious Brady Quinn, the Golden Boy will be out of here?
I don't think Quinn has anything to do with why people are afraid of DA. DA is the reason people are afraid. He really isn't the QB that you are trying to make him out to be. I think it's more that people want to give Quinn enough time to find out if there is any possibility at all that he can be the QB of the future. Most of us know that DA doesn't have what it takes.
The fact is that it doesn't matter who the QB is this team will struggle. We need to find out what we have in Quinn then we will know if we need to address that position in the offseason. Right now it's looking more and more like that's the situation
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the only thing i can think of is this: fans convinced themselves that DA isn't a legit qb because they saw so many negative plays and placed that solely on his feet. at that time, it was a combination of frustration that the team wasn't doing well (also throwing some blame on DA) and their frustration that their fave player, quinn, wasn't on the field. the points they failed to recognize and specifically ignored posters like me telling them that:
1) DA had improved on the short throws
2) DA had a terrible concussion against the giants where, before that, he looked VERY sharp
3) edwards had a terrible gash that resulted in him and DA not being on the same page
4) stallworth, the prized free agent, took himself out of the dallas game MINUTES before the start, relegating a crappy steptoe (no one picked him up, fyi) to become our #2 receiver
5) DA was victimized by drops
6) on many turovers, it was clear receivers ran the wrong way but instead, the bq harpers decided that it had to be DA's inaccuracy and that bq could've made that play
7) we didn't have JJ for 3rd downs and to set an example as a leader. the value of JJ the leader was replaced by...stallworth the worthless
they ignored all these points to continue their baseless hate on DA partly because they were upset quinn wasn't on the field and partly because of the compounding of all the losses. they felt that quinn was the opposite of DA and if DA wasn't working out, a simple substitution would give us good results. now, it's clear that all the strengths in quinn's game were *given* to him (as i've said since i joined this board) were just that: *given* they have no where to turn. these same posters would rather sacrifice a top 5 pick than to admit they might be wrong and that DA might be a better option. in this preseason, DA has improved on his short throws and his decision making clearly improved last season.
further, they said quinn was the better leader yet it took all the way until the second game for quinn to say that the passing lanes aren't there because there is no running game threat whereas DA was prodded every which way and refused to throw any teammate under the bus.
these same posters have told themselves so often that DA is not the answer and that quinn is and now that quinn is failing, they're still convinced that DA is terrible even though their previous evaluations were EMOTIONAL and not OBJECTIVE. ironically, when you can be objective in evaluations, you could've see quinn's performance from a year away.
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screw completion percentage. that can go up with time. like i've said all along: eli manning.
you can take bq's 50-some% and his no meaningful tds too. i'll take the 2-3 tds and 1 int every day because at least we're scoring, especially since we now have a defense that can do well when motivated!
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screw completion percentage. that can go up with time. like i've said all along: eli manning.
you can take bq's 50-some% and his no meaningful tds too. i'll take the 2-3 tds and 1 int every day because at least we're scoring, especially since we now have a defense that can do well when motivated!
lol @ 1 int.
If DA threw 1 INT a game, he wouldn't be sitting on the bench right now.
His problem is that he throws them in large bunches that destroy an entire team. We do not know what the finished Quinn product is, we do know what the finished DA product is, and that's a very good backup QB.
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i find it funny you need to argue over an insignificant number. it's like you so desperately need to win the battle now that you're clearly losing the war. you can quibble all you want about if it's 1 int or 3 ints because all qbs have bad days. at the end of the day, with a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
you can talk about ints but this far, quinn's "ball control" resulted in ints and fumbles with NO tds. i'll take the tds with ints to the NO tds with ints.
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DA keeps the defense honest.
Quinn doesnt. We need every advantage we can get. If I thought Brady gave us one I would be all for him remaining the starter but I just dont see it.
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I think Quinn gets puled at half time of the baltimore game "if" its close....if not...Quinn finishes out a blow out, and Anderson gets the nod against the Steelers...
I'm not going to get fully pulled into this "discussion?", but I wanted to make sure everyone read this portion.
If Quinn is playing us to a close game at the half...then, let's throw DA out there. Even if the game is 0-0 at the half....what coach would pull his starting QB in a tough close game?
ok....everyone can go back to bashing the team they root for now....
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Bashing the team your root for?
How much "cheering" were you doing watching the offense yesterday?
I think our D could keep us in games if we were getting ANYTHING out of the offense.
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i find it funny you need to argue over an insignificant number. it's like you so desperately need to win the battle now that you're clearly losing the war. you can quibble all you want about if it's 1 int or 3 ints because all qbs have bad days. at the end of the day, with a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
you can talk about ints but this far, quinn's "ball control" resulted in ints and fumbles with NO tds. i'll take the tds with ints to the NO tds with ints.
Out of these two, clearly Anderson, because I'm not sure if Quinn is a NFL QB.
That doesn't make Anderson a starting caliber QB though.
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i find it funny you need to argue over an insignificant number. it's like you so desperately need to win the battle now that you're clearly losing the war. you can quibble all you want about if it's 1 int or 3 ints because all qbs have bad days. at the end of the day, with a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
you can talk about ints but this far, quinn's "ball control" resulted in ints and fumbles with NO tds. i'll take the tds with ints to the NO tds with ints.
Out of these two, clearly Anderson, because I'm not sure if Quinn is a NFL QB.
That doesn't make Anderson a starting caliber QB though.
you may be right but in the context of this thread, that means you think DA should be playing too. if you don't think quinn is an nfl qb, i'd say give the time to someone who might be. he just might continue to develop to be a good qb. we know he can be a top 10 qb for durations of time, why not see if he can control it and become one for a full season?
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a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
The REAL problem that everyone wants to gloss over in their revisionist history of Anderson's performances is that the TRUE answer to your quoted question changes from Day to Day.
It's the same damn problem we had with Couch & Holcomb, and it is the same damn problem we have had through a few years now of Anderson & Quinn.... one day one looks like a champ, the next day he looks like a chump and vice versa.
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with a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
Josh Cribbs?
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a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
The REAL problem that everyone wants to gloss over in their revisionist history of Anderson's performances is that the TRUE answer to your quoted question changes from Day to Day.
It's the same damn problem we had with Couch & Holcomb, and it is the same damn problem we have had through a few years now of Anderson & Quinn.... one day one looks like a champ, the next day he looks like a chump and vice versa.
that's true but between the two qbs, one of them has consistently looked like a turd while the other only periodically looked like one while other times looking like gold 
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i find it funny you need to argue over an insignificant number. it's like you so desperately need to win the battle now that you're clearly losing the war. you can quibble all you want about if it's 1 int or 3 ints because all qbs have bad days. at the end of the day, with a minute left in the 4th qb, which qb would you want to take you down the field to score? one qb on our roster gives us a chance and one doesn't.
you can talk about ints but this far, quinn's "ball control" resulted in ints and fumbles with NO tds. i'll take the tds with ints to the NO tds with ints.
Out of these two, clearly Anderson, because I'm not sure if Quinn is a NFL QB.
That doesn't make Anderson a starting caliber QB though.
you may be right but in the context of this thread, that means you think DA should be playing too. if you don't think quinn is an nfl qb, i'd say give the time to someone who might be. he just might continue to develop to be a good qb. we know he can be a top 10 qb for durations of time, why not see if he can control it and become one for a full season?
Because like it or not, we aren't winning, and we may as well see if Quinn is a NFL QB or not.
If the point of this season were to win games, of course I want DA in right now...but it's not, this is quite clearly a year to evaluate and see what you have on the roster. May as go with the QB you do not know rather than the QB who, no offense, has shown exactly what he will be.
I do not expect either of these two on the team next year.
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Not true at all. They've both been the latter, and you know it.
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Not true at all. They've both been the latter, and you know it.
no, what i know is that DA showed signs that he could be more. quinn has not.
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i disagree. while winning isn't on the top list, we're looking for our qb. if we have one on the roster, we need to play him to see. if quinn shows no signs of that and if it's felt DA gives us the chance to WIN, then why wouldn't he get all the snaps to show we can win and have him be our qb of the future? that makes no sense.
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All I know is that it's tiring and it's been like a boat anchor to this team.
The names change but the story stays the same!
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which is why i asked for patience and merely improvement from the one qb that found ANY success for us as a brown...yet people still cast him aside.
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Its sad that people can actually sit and watch the Browns, and think that changing the QB is gonna change a dang thing.
We have so many holes, issues, and coaching stupidity, changing the QB is just gonna happy a few fans for a couple of games.
Might as well see what Quinn has until week 8 or so, nothing is gonna change by putting DA in. He cant block, get open, or rush the passer.
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i disagree. while winning isn't on the top list, we're looking for our qb. if we have one on the roster, we need to play him to see. if quinn shows no signs of that and if it's felt DA gives us the chance to WIN, then why wouldn't he get all the snaps to show we can win and have him be our qb of the future? that makes no sense.
Because Quinn has played 5 games while DA has played 27. To be fair to Quinn, if we went off of DA's first 5 games, he would have looked quite average as well.
You may disagree with it, but to pull Quinn now is foolish when you have no idea if this is just an adjustment period or if this is how he really plays. If he sucks, then we know we need another QB.
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that may be true but i hardly consider any of the 08 games for either qb with the exception to the giants game. the homer in me aches for more of that type of game.
more games are warranted but when the strength of a player is supposedly being ready for the nfl game, it's harder to justify that time. we don't agree on how much more quinn needs to play and i respect that. i just know, if quinn plays like he has for another 2-3 games, i'm done with him. i still consider DA a question mark and i'd rather develop or invest time in someone who *might* give me returns over someone who *can't*
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We look incompetant enough without pulling the plug on a first round pick 5 games in.
For good or bad Quinn must be evaluated. I'm hoping to see a ray of hope somewhere though in his game and to this point can't point to anything that stands out. In his defence OC is not a help either so far.
I've said it before but I'm not sure our guy is on the roster at this point.
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that may be true but i hardly consider any of the 08 games for either qb with the exception to the giants game. the homer in me aches for more of that type of game.
more games are warranted but when the strength of a player is supposedly being ready for the nfl game, it's harder to justify that time. we don't agree on how much more quinn needs to play and i respect that. i just know, if quinn plays like he has for another 2-3 games, i'm done with him. i still consider DA a question mark and i'd rather develop or invest time in someone who *might* give me returns over someone who *can't*
If Quinn shows no improvement over the next 2-3 games, I'll be with you, most likely.
Quinn absolutely needs to show improvement, Ravens be damned. If he doesn't, then he is going to have a big problem.
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Quinn looks very uncomfortable, he's being extra cautious with the ball. Plus the play calling is just down right stupid.
Neither Daboll or Quinn wanna take any chances with the ball, if someone isnt wideopen, Quinn is gonna check down, hes not gonna take one on one chances.
Quinn showed in the preseason that he can make the throws, and manage the offense. He was relaxed, he had time, he was just reading and throwing and he looked really good.
Now hes jittery, looking over his back, he has no time to throw, he has to deal with little to no WR's getting opening, horrible playing calling, and hes only played in 5 games. He trying to aim the ball, and again be over cautious with the ball instead of taking chances....which I truly believe the coaching staff likes, even though everyone knows you have to take one on one chances to win games.
Quinn isnt blessed with as much raw talent as DA, but theres a chance that if we shake up the OL and the protection gets better that Quinn will relax and get more comfortable and just play rather than trying to be too fine out there.
Which is why we need to still stick with him until week 8 or so, work on fixing the other issues. If Quinn continues to fail, then you bring back DA....but that wont matter if the other offensive issues arent resolved first.
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that's where i'm at. glad to see we agree, even if the topic is depressing.
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Because Quinn has played 5 games while DA has played 27. To be fair to Quinn, if we went off of DA's first 5 games, he would have looked quite average as well.
DA's first five games compared to Quinn's are like night and day. ...night and day.
I'm not saying that in support of an angle to start DA over Quinn ... has nothing to do with it. That statement was just plain false. His first game action against the Chiefs he brought us a victory. His 4th start he threw 5 tds and looked like one of the best QBs in the league that day.
I see your point on why you want to stick with Quinn and not go back to DA. You shouldn't exaggerate chit to make it.
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Its sad that people can actually sit and watch the Browns, and think that changing the QB is gonna change a dang thing.
Yet that's exactly what so many people said when Anderson was starting ..... and even when he lit up the Bengals for 5 TDs .....
"You know ..... if only Brady Quinn were starting, we'd be really, really good. He wouldn't make mistakes like Anderson because he's smart, good looking, and by God he played at Notre Dame and was a 1st round pick". 
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LOL!! I remember all those people calling for Quinn when Anderson was actually playing well. Gradkowski would have done better than Quinn yesterday. He had a LOT of time in the pocket. He wasn't pressured until later in the game when Denver realized he couldn't throw down field. Quinn so far has been nothing short of absolutely horrendous. Unless he finds a game and looking at our schedule, it will take a miracle not to be O-8 at the halfway mark.
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I think that if Brady Quinn did what DA has done in 2007 and part of 2008 people would say give him time he is a young QB having ups and downs his first couple years starting. Or people would be praising his potential and what he did in 2007.
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DA keeps the defense honest.
Quinn doesnt. We need every advantage we can get. If I thought Brady gave us one I would be all for him remaining the starter but I just dont see it.
Maybe we should play the Wildcat with a two QB set. 
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Because Quinn has played 5 games while DA has played 27. To be fair to Quinn, if we went off of DA's first 5 games, he would have looked quite average as well.
DA's first five games compared to Quinn's are like night and day. ...night and day.
I'm not saying that in support of an angle to start DA over Quinn ... has nothing to do with it. That statement was just plain false. His first game action against the Chiefs he brought us a victory. His 4th start he threw 5 tds and looked like one of the best QBs in the league that day.
I see your point on why you want to stick with Quinn and not go back to DA. You shouldn't exaggerate chit to make it.
Just curious...did you look at the other games as well? I'll give you the Cincy game, but he did not start that KC game and played quite badly the rest of the games he started in 06. He wasn't throwing for 5 TD's or leading his team to victory in his first start.
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Will everyone seriously calm down and stop this nonsense about DA?!? Last season DA was abysmal constantly staring down receivers, throwing into double and triple coverage, over or under throwing wrs, does any one remember the dump pass int for a TD he threw to Suggs?! Everyone is freaking out over two mediocre performances by the offense. You guys are the same group that was screaming for Quinn to be named starter at the end of the season, and now two games in you want a change. DA is not answer, he has had a season and a half to prove it, and did not. And please dont waste your time saying DA was a pro bowl QB, he got there by default, he is far from an all pro. QB here is not the issue, the terrible play calling, half ass effort by edwards, and the coaching refusal to play their second picks. MoMass should be starting opposite of Edwards as he provides a nice big option with speed to get open. Lewis and St. Clair both need to be replaced, that much is also obvious. However this DA talk is irrational as everyone is quick to forget 2008, and only remember his 5 or 6 good games from 07. DA sucked then, sucked last season, and sucks now. He proved it in the preseason with his constant affection towards turnovers.
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screw completion percentage. that can go up with time. like i've said all along: eli manning.
you can take bq's 50-some% and his no meaningful tds too. i'll take the 2-3 tds and 1 int every day because at least we're scoring, especially since we now have a defense that can do well when motivated!
lol @ 1 int.
If DA threw 1 INT a game, he wouldn't be sitting on the bench right now.
His problem is that he throws them in large bunches that destroy an entire team. We do not know what the finished Quinn product is, we do know what the finished DA product is, and that's a very good backup QB.
In 26 games played in 2007 and 2008, DA threw 27 INTs, or *gasp* 1 per game. Not sure what you consider to be "large bunches", but he had a 4 INT game (Cincy 07) and two 3 INT games (NE 07, Balt 08). That's 10 of those 27 INTs in three games. So, that's 17 INTs in the remaining 23 games. Large bunches.
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Hi all.
As for Quinn vs Anderson. I don't feel we know what Anderson could be as a finished product. He was after all picked off of Baltimores practice squad and did perform quite well in his full year as a starter. Yes he did implode at the end of '07 and had a rough '08, but he wasn't as bad it's being made to be. I think if they would have just stuck with him last year and this year that we would be happy campers.
Now for Quinn. Sadly I admit I was also rooting for him to start in order to see what he had and thinking maybe he may be better than Anderson. Now I believe I have seen enough, even if it has been 2 games. Andersons second game as a full time starter he torched Cincy. Or was that his first?. I regret thinking Quinn might be the second coming. He's not even the second coming of Doug Peterson. A majority of the sacks this year are not the OL's fault but Quinn holding the ball for an eternity. yes some of them are the OL's,namely St. Clair, but mostly Quinn. Anderson gets rid of the ball much faster and yes sometimes it doesn't work out but alot of times it does. If he is alloted more time to progress we will all be satisfied I think, but I fear he wont get that opportunity.
In the end there is no such thing as the perfect QB. In my opinion the closest to that is the hated John Elway, a rocket for an arm, accurate, agile, and clutch. Gosh I hate him. Back to the topic though, Every QB will have some flaws that need fixing especially a guy off the practice squad. Quinn was supposed to be NFL ready and shows no hope, none.
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DA is far from perfect and is most likely not the future but come on! DA makes mistakes but makes plays and scores. Brady makes mistakes but cannot make plays and never scores! We know he can check down, that will NOT win any games EVER!
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Actually, given the condition of the line late that season, Anderson did pretty well ... unitil we played Tampa.
His games against Baltimore, Pittsburgh and KC resulted in 5 TDs, 4 INTs, and roughly an 85 QB rating.
Tampa completely obliterated him. He went 10-27 for 123 yards and 4 INTs.
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j/c It does not really matter what any of us think it is on the coach.This from Pro Football Talk: The Browns offense still belongs to Brady Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 21, 2009 6:16 PM ET It didn't take long for Brady Quinn to face questions about his job security this season. And, in a rare moment of transparency, it didn't take long for Browns coach Eric Mangini to confirm that Quinn remains the team's starting quarterback. Mangini said Quinn "definitely" will be the team's starting quarterback in Baltimore this weekend. "[Quinn] works at it, which is the most important thing,'' said Mangini. We'd argue that scoring points is the most important thing, but Quinn's work ethic obviously has earned him respect with the head coach, as it should. Derek Anderson seems unlikely to solve the many problems on Cleveland's offense, and the Browns need to find out this season if Quinn is someone they can build around. The early results are not encouraging, and Quinn is struggling to escape his reputation as the newest incarnation of Captain Checkdown. Quinn is averaging 5.5 yards per attempt, and rarely looks to stretch the field. Quinn probably has more time to work with than outsiders think, but he's not giving the Cleveland faithful much to believe in thus far.: The fact that Mangini had this QB competition has hurt the entire team and now that he has made his choice I will live with it as he will. All of you who are hoping for Anderson to start, you better hope like hell that Quinn gets slaughtered this week by the Rats because he probably will with this OL. Be careful what you wish for, Anderson is the next in the slaughter line! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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1) DA had improved on the short throws
2) DA had a terrible concussion against the giants where, before that, he looked VERY sharp BQ broke his finger, derailing him last year.
3) edwards had a terrible gash that resulted in him and DA not being on the same page Edwards missed OTA's and early parts of camps, and split time with qb's all camp
4) stallworth, the prized free agent, took himself out of the dallas game MINUTES before the start, relegating a crappy steptoe (no one picked him up, fyi) to become our #2 receiver Cribbs is souch an upgrade to steptoe
5) DA was victimized by drops same here
6) on many turovers, it was clear receivers ran the wrong way but instead, the bq harpers decided that it had to be DA's inaccuracy and that bq could've made that play how do you know it was the recivers? and if it was, we have seen it already.
7) we didn't have JJ for 3rd downs and to set an example as a leader. the value of JJ the leader was replaced by...stallworth the worthless furrey anyone
All your points that ruined DA, are the same for BQ.
The fact is DA ruined DA. Just like BQ is ruining BQ.
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I wanted DA to win the job. He didn't. I wanted BQ to succeed, so far he hasn't showed much. The coaches see something better in Quinn? I'm willing to hope for the best. We shall see. I just cringe when I see the Offense trot out on the field because I see a QB that either doesn't have the talent to make throws or the nerve to make throws. He looks afraid to make the throws, afraid of making mistakes. I don't see a confident leader out there on the field. I hope, I really hope he makes us forget about the early struggles one day. With that said, he is far from our only glaring problem on Offense.
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