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I wanted DA to win the job. He didn't. I wanted BQ to succeed, so far he hasn't showed much. The coaches see something better in Quinn? I'm willing to hope for the best. We shall see. I just cringe when I see the Offense trot out on the field because I see a QB that either doesn't have the talent to make throws or the nerve to make throws. He looks afraid to make the throws, afraid of making mistakes. I don't see a confident leader out there on the field. I hope, I really hope he makes us forget about the early struggles one day. With that said, he is far from our only glaring problem on Offense.
I think a lot of it is to see what we have. If he improves, awsome. If not, they don't have to be married to the guy.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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You are right, some of the problems could be mental and if that is the problem I believe Quinn will correct them. But my gut tells me it is a very poor football team that would make even the best QB's in this league look very average. It is amazing what the human mind can do to anyone. If we grab one win the whole thing could turn around, or not! Only time will tell. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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And what better time to get a win then against the Ravens in their own stadium. Chances are slim to none that will happen but for some reason, every game we play I sit in my chair and believe that we can win. I think I need therapy!
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And what better time to get a win then against the Ravens in their own stadium. Chances are slim to none that will happen but for some reason, every game we play I sit in my chair and believe that we can win. I think I need therapy!
You sound like me for the last forty five years. Don't let it eat your behind because it is only a game. If I have learned anything as I grow older it is to enjoy life as it is (and football) because I can't change anything now.
My 74 year old Dad is dying of cancer as I type here but I can't change that just as I can't change the Brown's! 
Makes this whole QB thing look very small doesn't it! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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If there is one thing that you can point to for a reason why we have been so consistantly laughable over this last decade is our lack of patience.
With all due respect intended, that statement has become a crutch for failure.
What makes it truly unfortunate is because it's not even true.
Crennel got four years. Very few NFL coaches who don't produce consistent winners get four years. When he was dumped, no teams offered him a real look at a head-coaching position. That's very telling, because it means he was viewed as just not being good enough.
All the patience in the world wouldn't have made him good enough.
Tim Couch got five years. Very few NFL QB's get five years if they don't produce consistently. When he was dumped, yeah, he got a couple of looks, but when he finally signed to compete as a backup, his arm was shot, and he ended up filing a grievance against the Packers. That's what they got for their efforts.
All the patience in the world wouldn't have made him good enough.
Patience isn't the problem. The problem is the fact that these coaches, managers, front office guys, and players just aren't very good.
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I am supremely disappointed in the way he has performed. I was hoping he'd do better.
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We had a good, long time to evaluate DA.
You preach patience yet deem that Anderson was given more than enough time.
No, you're preaching patience for Quinn, but not patience as a concept.
Of course we aren't bad because we lack patience. We're bad because of the players we've put on the field.
I'm critical of Quinn, but am not to the point of wanting him benched. THAT is patience. Saying you've seen enough of either Quinn or Anderson at this point is nothing close to patience.
This was a sermon about patience, not about QB's.
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Ill chime in late. The team has one legit playmaker in Edwards and he is far from consistant. Its alot harder for the rest of the field now that Winslow is gone  Cribbs is alright but IMO he is being misused. Hes not a #2 WR. He would be great in the wildcat if they ran more than just a fake handoff Cribbs keeper. Where did the reverse to Cribbs go? Why only use it in the preseason? I think Quinns problem is that he only takes what is given to him and he is afraid to take chances. Alot of DAs passes werent good in his Pro Bowl year. Winslow, Edwards, and JJ made alot of great catches for DA that made him look better then he is. Plus Lewis had something to prove with a 1 year deal. That gas has ran out and they need to reserve what fuel he has left for the goalline. Quinn won the QB battle in preseason. Im not sure there is a QB on this roster that can lead a team to the playoffs with one playmaker and an in-experianced play caller. Heres an interesting question. Which QB would you rather have? Mark Sanchez or any QB on the Browns roster. It was rumored that the Browns were in love with Sanchez. Problem was, it didnt make sense to draft one when they couldnt trade the current ones. The stock was so low for Quinn and DA at the time. Like when the Browns passed on Big Ben. Butch needed to win now and he just signed Garcia as the last 1st rounder was on his way out of town(Couch)
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One thing I can't understand is most of the people who want Quinn to keep his job are saying:
We need to give Quinn time to see what we have
Honestly why can't we do this:
We need to give Anderson time to see what we have
What's the difference? Anderson is relatively the same age as Quinn. ASSuming Quinn is the only QB who could develop through playing more games is ludacris. It comes down to this:
Which guy gives a better chance to win now?
Anderson
Which guy has more time left in the NFL?
Both are about the same age
Which guy could develop with more playing time?
Both
So with all other things being equal why should Quinn being given time to develop when Anderson could use that same time to develop and we would actually have a better offense.
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Honestly I think it's time to start DA. He isn't perfect but he can stretch the field vertically. That ability means that the defense will have to respect it and may allow our offensive to open up more.
Quinn is a dink and dunk QB. For whatever reason he doesn't want to go deep. So to stop the Browns offensive all you gotta do is put 8-9 in the box and watch Quinn throw it for a 2 yard gain on 3rd and 9. I will take Jekyll and Hide over someone who is so one dimensional it has completed stalled our offense.
For me DA gives the Browns a chance to win..I could care less about the other things.
No! It's not time yet. It's 2 freakin' games into the season! This team was not going anywhere this year with or without DA. At some point the Browns were going to have to find out if Quinn could play. You DA lovers are gonna have to sit and take this. Like it or not, Quinn is the starter for better or worse right now. You take him out now, he's done. He's still a rookie, by playing time standards. Just b/c his bio says this is his 3rd year, that doesn't really mean anything. This team is a work in progress. You can't really compare Quinn to Flacco and Ryan. They walked into almost perfect situations. A ready made team. Quinn or DA are not on a ready made team.
One of these QB's will be traded. So we have to find out if Quinn has anything. This franchise can not afford to be wrong again about the QB they choose. I hate losing as much as the next fan. But, we are going to have to sacrifice some wins this year to figure out who is the QB of the NEAR future. In the mean time. We as fans, need to be more supportive of the team, no matter who is playing.
I really have no interest in another Couch vs Holcomb QB debate. DA vs Quinn just wreaks of that. There were no winners in the Couch vs Holcomb debates. Not too mention it was a total failure on the field. I don't want to go through that again with DA vs Quinn. I don't have the energy.
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And what better time to get a win then against the Ravens in their own stadium. Chances are slim to none that will happen but for some reason, every game we play I sit in my chair and believe that we can win. I think I need therapy!
You sound like me for the last forty five years. Don't let it eat your behind because it is only a game. If I have learned anything as I grow older it is to enjoy life as it is (and football) because I can't change anything now.
My 74 year old Dad is dying of cancer as I type here but I can't change that just as I can't change the Brown's!
Makes this whole QB thing look very small doesn't it!
Sorry to hear about your dad. I lost my dad to a heart attack at the age of 59 three years ago. I am getting better at keeping things in perspective with our beloved Browns. I turn forty in a couple weeks and I have my first child being born, a little girl, around Dec. 7th. I always joke with my wife that maybe I should raise her as a Dolphin fan or something different than the Browns to protect her from any pain and heartache.....lol. She laughs at me because she knows that won't happen. she'll be wearing Browns gear before too long!
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Does Jules still post on here? I miss reading Jules old posts on the Browns OLD message boards
I'm here, Mr. Kelso, although I'm trying to avoid the knee-jerk gloom and doom around here, so I'm making myself scarce right now. 
Welcome to the board!!
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A big deal is how bad our running game is. I think BQ is a play action type passer. Hard to do that when you can not run the ball. Running the ball even somewhat effectively would really help BQ. As it is...............since Mangini seems to want a power running type team, I think BQ fits that. However we most likely won't see that type of team this year. Our right side just sucks, and the left is more of a pass protection type collection. Throw in the fact that our backs are either, old, hurt, not good enough. Well it makes it awfully hard to evaluate anyone. I'd say that for DA last year as well. But given what type of Offense I think Mangini wants, BQ might be the better choice. So keep him in there and see how he does.
Also if we pull him anyway it will be right before his escalators kick in. (that are based on snaps right? Any idea what game that might be?)
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I'm not going to dive into this thread, as I've already said my peace, but what I WILL say is that Anderson showed a TON during the '07 season. No, he didn't "earn" a pro-bowl bid, therefore wasn't a pro-bowl QB. However, throwing for 3700+ yards with 29 TD's and and 19 INT's with an 83 rating with zero previous playing time IS doing something.
Frankly, we as fans would feel blessed to imagine Quinn doing that, and none of us truly believe he will right now.
Question?...Is it all his fault?, or a combo of a week right side, and vanilla game plan? And no other wr?
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Keep going
It's a combination. It's 'Gini.........it's Quinn........it's the right side...........it's the failed Cribbs experiment........it's trailing in the 4th quarter so teams know an underwhelming Quinn has to drop back and throw..........
There's no one thing to point the finger at, but many iffy things.
It takes more than one thing to be the worst team in the NFL. It takes a bunch of bad things, and that's what we've got: A bunch of bad decisions all leading to a predictable outcome.
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I think way too much credence and excuses are being dished out about the playcalling, WRs, and right-side OL...way too much.
*It has been documented that Quinn is missing wide open receivers and is not letting plays develop. It was obvious to anyone watching the game that he held the ball too long. Too much indecision, not enough confidence, afraid of making a mistake ... whatever it was, it was on Quinn.
*I have not heard from one single source who was at the game or read from any journalistic take on the game that the WRs did not get separation. Maybe I just missed it. But I don't recall reading anything like that.
*Quinn had tons of time in the first half to throw the ball. The pass protection was very good. Denver made a good adjustment at halftime and brought the house and it worked. They saw that Quinn was skittish, and I believe they didn't think there was any chance he could beat them over the top. They were correct.
*Finally, although football is the ultimate team game, they don't call the QB position the most important for no reason. The QB has the ability to affect the entire team, and I believe that's what we've seen in these two games. The defense has twice given up because they know the offense isn't going to score points. I would also be willing to bet that the WRs and the OL weren't giving it that extra 10% on every play because really ... what was the point? Their QB, their leader was the most non-confidence inspiring he could possibly be.
The right side of the OL might not be the best, the WRs might not be the best, the defense might not be the best ... but they are all good enough to win with ... but our QB play has been atrocious and it has caused a trickle down effect to the rest of the team, IMO. Didn't anybody witness the body language on the sideline? When your leader's body language is one of no confidence, what do you expect to get from the team in terms of confidence and effort?
This is not a bench Quinn / start DA post ... it's simply stating an opinion that I believe to be a true account of what's happening. Too many people are putting too much blame on the other parts. I got news for all of you. The team is never going to be perfect. There will always be weaknesses. It's just the nature of the sport.
When teams believe they can win, their confidence rises and they play harder e.g., the J-E-T-S. I don't think anyone would dispute how confidence, harder play, and better success are all correlated. I think it's reasonable to believe this works in the opposite direction as well. Yes, these guys are all professionals, but they are humans too.
Quinn needs to recapture the support of this team. I have no doubts at all that there are many in the lockerroom wondering if they are going to win a game with this guy at the helm. And if these games continue to be the same old, same old, you'll start to see that confidence continue to erode. This team needs a player to rally around.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I have no doubts at all that there are many in the lockerroom wondering if they are going to win a game with this guy at the helm.
And there is the reason Manginni should have made a dession sooner.
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But we had such a HUGE advantage over the Vikes with them not knowing who the QB is was gonna be. Man it showed sunday with the way we moved the ball.....EM knew what he was doing there, gotta love the gamesmanship of EM. Gave such a clear advantage, really helped our team. Quinn has shown that he really didnt need the time to get comfortable in the offense, and comfortable in this system. Our offense didnt need the cohesion reps, we needed an edge on the Vikes. Man am I glad Quinn didnt need that time to get more comfortable with the offense, cuz had he needed that time, we coulda paid for it early on in the season as Quinn would be behind and need more time to get comfy in the offense. Good call EM, even tho 99% of the fans, talking heads, and other NFL people said you were stupid for not naming a starter. 
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failed Cribbs experiment? the kid has only started 2 games at WR in his entire career! 2 Freaking Games!!! We know what we have in Furrey...hes played for years and we know what we got. and our rookies need time to learn. We might as well see what we have in Cribbs as a WR...this season is a rebuilding year anyway right? the kid wants a new contract lets give him a chance to earn it  Ok...sorry...just a thought.
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One thing I can't understand is most of the people who want Quinn to keep his job are saying:
We need to give Quinn time to see what we have
Honestly why can't we do this:
We need to give Anderson time to see what we have
What's the difference?
People hate Anderson and have a love affair with Quinn.
I really never understood the intense dislike of DA...he's not very good, so I understand that. But we've had far worse QB's that folks were far more patient with.
At this juncture, I think DA's ceiling is 'best back-up QB in the NFL'. Maybe a light could go on somewhere, but I doubt it.
Quinn's ceiling...Toronto Argonauts?
The kid simply isn't an NFL QB...but I listen to the radio and read these boards and hear things like 'he had a couple of nice passes to Edwards, so there's some potential'. 
We're not going anywhere this year, but I'd like to win some games...4 or 5 would be better than 1 or 2. I'm just worried that we're going to spend too much time seeing 'what we have' in a lesser version of Chuck Frye.
I never liked Quinn as a person, and never hid that bias. I never liked him as a player, either...and that's not bias. It's simple evaluation.
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i dont think DA is that bad.
He has won games here...and he has thrown 29 TDs in one season. When was the last Browns QB to do that?
DA's ceiling is completely unknown. Right now...he could start on 11 Teams right now and improve their position. (Denver, Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Buffalo, SF, STL, Carolina, TB, Detroit, and Washington...which still picks Chad Pennington, Kerry Collins, Matt Cassel and other guys that havent been stellar over him) and i really believe that. Best backup in the NFL? yes...absolutely and should be starting...somewhere.
Because he didnt have a great season last year with the problems ALL over the team last year. I dont know. He still played his best game and we played our best game when the whole team was healthy v. NYG. Maybe Tucker was our x-factor? IDK.
But Anderson's upside has not been met. his potential hasnt been realized. his ceiling hasnt been even established let alone hit.
the kid is 25 or 26 years old...has 27 starts (15 of which he went 10-5 in his closest semblance to a full season) We went 4-12 last year...what was our record in games he didnt play? not at all better (that points to me that it wasnt solely his fault...or that he contributed to the horribleness)
Anyone that says "we know what we have in Anderson" and DOESNT think he could be a good QB is fooling themselves. We know what we have in that we have a QB that can take an offense make it explosive...and can go 3 and out alot. He is a rhythm QB that is amazing when he is on the top of his game and pretty bad when he isnt...However...he's only had 2 games in his career that has involved as many INT games as Delhomme threw in his season opener and playoff loss.
The thing that makes Derek Anderson a QB that is worth playing...is that we are NEVER out of a game when he is at the helm. I never...at any point in time thought...well this game is over, when Anderson was our starter, until the numbers were mathematically impossible...and theres something to be said for that.
Was there anyone...ANYONE...that when we got down last week 13-6 that thought...we got a chance! Because i DID...until we went 3&out, 3&out and 3&out...
I find it very very hard to believe that anyone thinks that had we played Anderson instead of Quinn...that we wouldnt have looked like a better football team...yet...almost EVERYONE thinks that we should still be playing Quinn...
All things aside...ALL THINGS ASIDE...What crazy topsy turvy world do we live in? We have a QB that CAN WIN US MORE GAMES THAN THE GUY WE HAVE IN NOW...and we DONT want him in the game? What? What?! While there is a nearly unanimous sentiment that we have a QB that could win us more games this year, and we'd rather play the guy that wont win us as many....
that makes my head hurt.
Play the better guys...period. Every position on the field. Every sport in the world. Every situation ever. EVER. Period.
What has happened to us? bickering about more potential...production is what matters. my head hurts
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I happen to think he should be starting. We'd probably be 1-1 with him at the helm.
But I'm not holding out hope for his development. I'm not doubting it or saying it can't happen...I'm just taking him for what he's shown me -- light years ahead of BQ, but still extremely raw.
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you know, it looks like the browns fan population reallt got punked. DA has a great season, fans still ride him and think q uinn could've done better. forget the crap season in 08 when everyone sucked. well come now in 09, the general fanbase got their wish. quinn is starting and...look where we are: 2006 w/ charlie frye. at least now when DA comes back in, he won't be taken for granted. too bad this is what's needed to wake up some fans.
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Does anyone remember what the Colts record was after Peyton Mannings first year starting? Patience people!! Let Quinn develop, and draft a fricking RT. That kid from Oklahoma would do!! Quinn is not the problem. Our Offense sucks as a unit. It's not one players fault (well a lot of blame can go on St. Clair, that dude is worthless!!!!!!)...
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Does anyone remember what the Colts record was after Peyton Mannings first year starting? Patience people!! Let Quinn develop, and draft a fricking RT. That kid from Oklahoma would do!! Quinn is not the problem. Our Offense sucks as a unit. It's not one players fault (well a lot of blame can go on St. Clair, that dude is worthless!!!!!!)...
Have you seen Quinn play this year? I hope he turns it around but WOW!!! It's like Dorsey is in there playing disguised as #10.
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but... did you see the Colts in his first year? they had the very least amount of talent ever. Less than the Lions last year when Peyton got there. What i didnt see though...that year was a QB Garo Yepremian a ball...followed by hold the ball too long and throw awful inaccurate passes after failing to make a decision. Heres another thing...Manning threw 26 TDs in his first season...and 28 INTs...and completed 56.7% of his passes http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4256/career;_ylt=Aln_mIA2KopUbeAMzn4nAX7.uLYF now...that sounds like someone else we have. but i digress on that. Comparing this Browns team to the 98 Colts is like Apples to Twinkies...This team has talent. We're missing 1 solitary piece to being a legit team. A playoff team? eh...not yet, not in our division. but...a legit team. If we get a better Right side to the OL and a better RB we'll be a playoff caliber team (and our draft pick WRs shore up that corps)... but...to compare Quinn to Manning only works in that their face masks are similar
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One thing I can't understand is most of the people who want Quinn to keep his job are saying:
We need to give Quinn time to see what we have
Honestly why can't we do this:
We need to give Anderson time to see what we have
What's the difference?
People hate Anderson and have a love affair with Quinn.
I really never understood the intense dislike of DA...he's not very good, so I understand that. But we've had far worse QB's that folks were far more patient with.
At this juncture, I think DA's ceiling is 'best back-up QB in the NFL'. Maybe a light could go on somewhere, but I doubt it.
Quinn's ceiling...Toronto Argonauts?
The kid simply isn't an NFL QB...but I listen to the radio and read these boards and hear things like 'he had a couple of nice passes to Edwards, so there's some potential'.
We're not going anywhere this year, but I'd like to win some games...4 or 5 would be better than 1 or 2. I'm just worried that we're going to spend too much time seeing 'what we have' in a lesser version of Chuck Frye.
I never liked Quinn as a person, and never hid that bias. I never liked him as a player, either...and that's not bias. It's simple evaluation.
I never thought we'd have a QB that had less accuracy than DA.
That's not entirely true. Your making a broad statement there, saying everyone has a love affair with Quinn. The same could be said about people that support DA.
When we GAVE the other worse QB's more time, if you look back, you'll notice, they were all we really had. I mean really. What are we arguing about? Which crappy QB should be playing? It doesn't make your argument any stronger by comparing it to some of our past crappy QB's that might have gotten more time.
How can you tell after just a few games that Quinn is CFL material? How? You're just taking a wild guess at this point.
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I get what you are saying..and Quinn hasn't impressed me either..I'm all for giving him some time to develop..and to say the Colts didn't have talent and say that we have talent is ludacris..we have jack sh** for talent..you are right though it is comparing apples to twinkies but the moral of my story is give the kid the season..We need to build the OL and the running game..the Colts had Harrison when Manning arrived and drafted E. James the following year..then added Reggie Wayne two years later..they had an OL that was similar to ours..a stud LT and a good Center..they built the team around Manning and allowed him to grow..didn't play conservative even though they sucked..Quinn, Anderson, or whoever is the QB needs to be able to go out there and just play and not worry looking over his shoulder!!
QB is not the problem..it's our OL and running game!!!!!!
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Anyone who think DA could accomplish anything is fooling themselves.
DA will get slaughtered from the right side, and he doesn't have the agility to get out of his own way when it happens.
In 2007, he had an Oline that did pretty good from both sides, right now he won't have that.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Anyone who think DA could accomplish anything is fooling themselves.
DA will get slaughtered from the right side, and he doesn't have the agility to get out of his own way when it happens.
In 2007, he had an Oline that did pretty good from both sides, right now he won't have that.
actually, charlie frye made that line look the exact same as in 2006. DA came in and the line played fantastic. quinn is making the line look bad. they give him time in the first half before the defenses dial up the pressure.
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How can you tell after just a few games that Quinn is CFL material? How? You're just taking a wild guess at this point.
Watched him in college. Watched him in the pros.
Call it a wild guess if you want...I call it an educated truth.
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Anyone who think DA could accomplish anything is fooling themselves.
DA will get slaughtered from the right side, and he doesn't have the agility to get out of his own way when it happens.
In 2007, he had an Oline that did pretty good from both sides, right now he won't have that.
actually, charlie frye made that line look the exact same as in 2006. DA came in and the line played fantastic. quinn is making the line look bad. they give him time in the first half before the defenses dial up the pressure.
The 2007 offensive line is light years ahead of this years and 2006.
Now Charlie Frye still looked bad behind the line in 2007 because he couldn't read a defense for anything. I'm not sure, but I'm fairly certain that DA would get 2008'ed behind this line.
you had a good run Hank.
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It'd be a catch-22 in my opinion.
On one hand, no, Anderson wouldn't be able to escape the way Quinn can.
On the other hand, he has the arm, the release, and the experience to get the ball downfield before the rush gets to him.
I've watched both of the games, and so far, Quinn's mobility has meant avoiding one sure sack that I can remember. But his lack of desire to go downfield and inability to get rid of the ball has meant a sack as well.
On a side note, I watched other games this weekend. I purposely watched how long veteran QB's had to get rid of the ball, and they didn't get any more time than Quinn has for the first three quarters of each game. They simply know how to go downfield and anticipate the break of receivers. Quinn has failed to do that, and it's very obvious to me. Will Quinn develop that? Hard to say, but he's as much at fault as the rest of the machine.
What I now COMPLETELY believe is that Anderson gives us the best chance to win. The problem with that line of thinking is that it'd come at the cost of developing Quinn, and on a team that clearly isn't going to the playoffs, I'm torn as to which way I'd lean.
What I do believe in my heart-of-hearts is that if Quinn doesn't show some improvement over the next few games, benching him becomes a no-brainer. He showed a very slight improvement from week-1, but not in terms of accuracy. He'd made a few good throws early on down the middle of the field, but after that........bupkis.
Quinn needs to show a marked improvement this week. I want to see good decisions with more patience to go downfield and accuracy on those throws.
He won't have to win the game for me to accept he's improving, but he will have to simply improve.
It's time to put on your bigboy pants, Quinn. Your honeymoon is over.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Anyone who think DA could accomplish anything is fooling themselves.
DA will get slaughtered from the right side, and he doesn't have the agility to get out of his own way when it happens.
In 2007, he had an Oline that did pretty good from both sides, right now he won't have that.
actually, charlie frye made that line look the exact same as in 2006. DA came in and the line played fantastic. quinn is making the line look bad. they give him time in the first half before the defenses dial up the pressure.
The 2007 offensive line is light years ahead of this years and 2006.
Now Charlie Frye still looked bad behind the line in 2007 because he couldn't read a defense for anything. I'm not sure, but I'm fairly certain that DA would get 2008'ed behind this line.
frye looked bad behind the line in 07 because any sign of pressure and he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off. he also held onto the ball way too long. quinn is doing both as well.
DA will take a few hits, sure, but he'd keep the defense honest more. st clair is equally bad as schaffer was (hell schaffer isn't even starting on st clair's old team) so the only trade-off is at rg, where we could do worse.
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How can you tell after just a few games that Quinn is CFL material? How? You're just taking a wild guess at this point.
Watched him in college. Watched him in the pros.
Call it a wild guess if you want...I call it an educated truth.
You should be a pro scout then.
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actually, charlie frye made that line look the exact same as in 2006. DA came in and the line played fantastic. quinn is making the line look bad. they give him time in the first half before the defenses dial up the pressure.
Actually you were were not born with eyes, take off the DA glasses for one second, do the same thing you and several others keep accusing "Quinn fans" of doing.
The OL in 2007 had Tuck at RG ans Shaffer at RT, both are twice as good as Womack and St. Claire.
The OL looked fine, and everyone knew it, Frye held on to the ball way to long, and was literally out of the pocket. You and others are just too dang blinded by your false opinion of DA to be told anything.
Any moron can see that the 2009 OL isnt even in the ballpark of the 2007 line when it had a younger Hank Fraley, a healthy Tuck and Kevin Shaffer at RT. Not to mention a fresh Jamal Lewis, Kellen Winslow, and JJ. I know you dont wanna be confused by facts, but the 2007 team had twice the talent it does right now when DA took over. The 2007 offense had 4 weapons that this offense doesnt, its not even comparable. Plus we were playing scrap barrel teams every week that year, even alittle common sense and thought you would see what your claiming is a total joke.
Quinn is not playing good, but making the OL look bad? Do you watch the Browns? Have you ever seen a football game? Theres plenty to talk about with Quinn, but him making the OL look bad?
Quinn doesnt look like an NFL QB, your right, alot of other are right. But getting on here and claiming a QB that everyone has seen over 25+ games, and proven to be an airhead, is gonna come in with the current issues at WR and OL and do alot better is insanity.
So many people just making crap up, I guess alot of fans just dont watch football, this team is nowhere near what is was offensively in 2007 in terms of supporting talent. If and when DA comes back, your in for a surprise, this teams has lots of holes, all over the offense and defense. People getting on here completely blaming Quinn, and thinking that DA would actually lead to wins, is nuts.
We need to fix the other issues, so if and when we get another QB, DA, draft...etc. They have a chance, right now, no QB is gonna have sustained success in this offense with this OL, group of WR's, offensive coordinator, and running game.
Its hilarious how massive a hypocrite so many of these DA honks are....
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posts like this one is why people don't take you seriously.
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You seem lika nice fella, OT.
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I get what you are saying..and Quinn hasn't impressed me either..I'm all for giving him some time to develop..and to say the Colts didn't have talent and say that we have talent is ludacris..we have jack sh** for talent..you are right though it is comparing apples to twinkies but the moral of my story is give the kid the season..We need to build the OL and the running game..the Colts had Harrison when Manning arrived and drafted E. James the following year..then added Reggie Wayne two years later..they had an OL that was similar to ours..a stud LT and a good Center..they built the team around Manning and allowed him to grow..didn't play conservative even though they sucked..Quinn, Anderson, or whoever is the QB needs to be able to go out there and just play and not worry looking over his shoulder!!
QB is not the problem..it's our OL and running game!!!!!!
Not to mention that they had a little known RB name Marshall Faulk in Peyton's rookie season, who put up over 1300 yds. No talent??? I'd take Peyton, Marvin and Marshall over any 3 players we've fielded at their position in the last 20 seasons...
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Don't believe everything you read, Red.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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The OL in 2007 had Tuck at RG ans Shaffer at RT, both are twice as good as Womack and St. Claire.
Except Seth McKinney was our starting RG in 07 until he got hurt. What's he up to now? What's Shaffer up to now?
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