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you're right. but i didn't say that. the closest thing i said was Quote:
especially when ND fans also considered him a dink and dunker.
but that doesn't mean "he was a dink and dunker in college." just ND fans, who also are browns fans, considered him a dink and dunker
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You basically called Attack stupid for saying he was an intermediate passer. 7.1 yards per attempt sure seems like an intermediate passer to me. Heck, Your boy DA only averaged 7.4 yards per attempt in college 
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His reply should be good 
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look at what i replied to . bolded at the bottom, copied the whole thing so he can't change it and say he said something else. Quote:
One...it was remarked that Derek had improved his short game...This was stated by Crennel, and he improved in throwing screens (cept when Suggs took his one screen pass to the house). I've seen a guy who didnt throw slants, to a guy who threw slants...were they perfect? no, they didnt much allow for YACs, but they often were within the body and catchable balls.
Rac said so ..rrriight..he slightlly improved ..did you watch him preseason?
If you did you would have to admit that he looked like the same DA to me.
making pre-snap reads...we only really have our preseason this year to see if he did that well because Crennel and co. werent allowing our QBs to audible.
Presnap reads..that means he's recognizing the blitz/coverage..and knowing where the hot read is..regardless ofwho's callign the plays any QB has to able to do that.
That includes accuracy. He threw a number of balls outside of receivers bodies...by the end of his stint...he was throwing the ball within the bodies of these receivers...thats not complete improvement, but improvement none the less...
No he hasn't improved his control..I watched preseason and he was still throwing those scud missiles..making people become contortionists..
Daboll called very conservative with Quinn in and with Anderson it was very aggressive...I couldnt tell you who that is an indictment of
This is what I mean about people knowing what they're seeing..DA is a down the field QB..Quinn is a intermediate type .. and is more prone to go through his checkdowns..it is that simple..
To me I didn't see much improvement..like I know from seeing , if the defense is playing cover 0, or press/man , DA can have a good game..but once the rotating/cover 2/3's /zones come out he makes mistakes..
no mention of college. he said college to cover his skin
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"DA is a down the field QB..Quinn is a intermediate type .. and is more prone to go through his checkdowns"
just to make it easier to read.
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Oh my..I knew that was lame...do like I said Quinn does..read through the progressions.step yo game up son..it should be obvious to see why I went to his college game..same as I did DA..thats what make a player project a certain way to the NFL..we don't have a body of pro work to go on like DA..I don't need to cover anything..it is what it is..
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The "type" of QB you are doesn't change from college to the NFL.
For some reason he isn't getting the ball down field. But that's not the "type" of QB he is.
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the "type" of qb quinn has always been is the "take what the defense gives him." no one has ever characterized quinn as an intermediate passer. his "tendencies" is a check down qb. i can't imagine finding a remotely successful college qb with a 5 ypa line. i also can't imagine any college qb who isn't, then by definition of ypa, at least an "intermediate qb"
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fair assessment...but to look at DA's INTs... in his first year of starting he threw 16 INTs...and through 9 games last year he threw 8, which leaves him on pace for roughly 15. in 2008 http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/interceptions/year/2008 Brees threw 17 Cutler threw 18 Frerotte and Roethlisberger threw 15 Warner and Romo threw 14 Frerotte didnt play the full year, but the rest...arent bad company. So to say that Derek Anderson throws INTs at a higher clip than other QBs is incorrect. Manning (P), Delhomme threw 12, Cassel, McNabb, Rivers, Ryan threw 11... but being on pace for 15ish...isnt turnover prone. its not far and away bench material. Shaun Hill is a QB that is considered a guy who takes care of the ball...in 5 more passes he threw 8 ints. Did Anderson perform worse last year? absolutely. he only completed 50% of his passes, had a 66.5 passer rating (dangerously close to what weve got starting now) and only averaged 165 yards a game through the air. yea thats bad. But...BUT...when he was out did it get better? no. and that is what lays the blame away from his shoulders...not completely of course. but our struggles werent his fault. we were 3-5 with him as a starter and 1-7 without. In fact...we got worse. And i think, that is a greater measure of success...If youre playing a sport and your team does worse without you. dont you feel you were an improvement over what is doing worse? In fact...since 2007, we are 13-10 with him as a starter...and 1-9 without. Have there been other factors? you bet, but...isnt there something in there that says he isnt a problem...not even...he isnt THE problem...he isnt A problem. in fact. looking at that alone. he is better than what we have, and what we have had. How do we continue to say he isnt good? or isnt the answer? i guess if the question is...how can we win less games? then yes he is the answer. or...who hasnt won 10 games in 1 season?..yes he is not the answer. The biggest problem with our franchise now...is that, we do know what we have in Anderson...and thats not good enough. how is it not good enough, when he has won 13 of his last 23 starts. That he has won 12 more games than our team has in our teams last 34 games. i'm honestly baffled, and the more i look at it...the more it confuses me. Really though...look at our team and how it has performed...in the last 2 years and 2 games...we've won exactly 1 game without Derek Anderson starting. 1. not 1ish...1. one game. I cant justify thinking that we should start anyone else. I cant. Nor do i see a way that we can rationalize starting anyone else? Can someone give me that proof?
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look, we all have seen the highlights. i've seen them and wanted to get excited about quinn too. there was a time when i genuinely was. then i watched these last two games and came back to reality. you don't change the type of qb you are. otherwise, when it's 1 minute left, you're down a score and you're in your territory, dinking and dunking isn't the first choice. hell, even recently, in talking about last game: Quote:
(On what he doesn’t like about his performance)– “Turnovers are one key aspect. At the end of the game, just trying to make a play, trying to push the ball downfield and get some sort of touchdown at the end. We still had a timeout at the end of the game. I probably could have dumped it down again, taken the timeout and try to take another shot. Aside from that, I’m still looking forward to continuing to progress with this offense and the rest of our team.”
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even AFTER the game, AFTER reviewing film, he says what? we're down multiple scores and he thinks he can dump off the ball? that is a dink and dunker, not an "intermediate" qb.
it's harder to find recounts of ND games. i found one from ndnation saying the michigan game was reduced to dink and dunk but i'm not allowed to post it because the link has "blog" in it. if you need to see it, i can pm it.
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You want me to vouch for that PM? How about this... It was one game?
Quinn isn't a gunslinger, I understand that. But to say he wasn't an intermediate passer is just wrong.
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you saying that is good enough.
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I don't care if Brady Quinn ends up being a good QB or not. I really don't as long as we win football games. But Brady Quinn has not always been a dink and dunk passer. Period.
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(On what he doesn’t like about his performance)– “Turnovers are one key aspect. At the end of the game, just trying to make a play, trying to push the ball downfield and get some sort of touchdown at the end. We still had a timeout at the end of the game. I probably could have dumped it down again, taken the timeout and try to take another shot. Aside from that, I’m still looking forward to continuing to progress with this offense and the rest of our team.”
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even AFTER the game, AFTER reviewing film, he says what? we're down multiple scores and he thinks he can dump off the ball? that is a dink and dunker, not an "intermediate" qb.
it's harder to find recounts of ND games. i found one from ndnation saying the michigan game was reduced to dink and dunk but i'm not allowed to post it because the link has "blog" in it. if you need to see it, i can pm it.
So the fact that he said he could have dumped the ball off makes him a dink and dunk passer?
You're really reaching there, dong.
you had a good run Hank.
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all i know of him is what i see as a brown. rookie preseason, dink and dunk. 2nd year preseason, dink and dunk while not connecting on intermediate throws. 1st start against broncos, dink and dunk. rest of games, dink and dunk. this preaseason, focused on intermediate, got some nice throws in. against minny and denver, dink and dunk.
you interjected yourself between me and attack. i answered. i'm not interested in more quinn talk. he is what he is. i hope he gets better. i hope he's our franchise so we're done with qb talk for 10 years. let's see what he does against the ravens. looking for improvement is all i'm doing.
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