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Question, then, Toad, is how much longer will it take Quinn to get that cohesion? Assuming he's been getting all 1st team reps since the week before the Vikings game, how much longer does he need to develop those connections?
I can't predict how long it'd take Quinn to get there, primarily because I have doubts about Quinn's viability as an NFL starting QB. If, in my opinion, I KNEW he was going to be good, just like I KNEW Rodgers was going to be good (yes, we can't actually "know" it, but when you truly believe in a guys ability, you can answer the question you just posed in a definitive manner) then I could tell you. However, his accuracy leaves a TON to be desired, and remains his biggest hurdle to being a legit QB.
All I CAN do is respond by stating what I argued for from the beginning of OTA's:
If we had named Quinn the starter after the 2nd preseason game, he would have had a FULL 2 games knowing it was his show. The offense would have had two FULL games to prepare. So instead of looking like the worst offense in the NFL, which we are, we'd be that much closer to cohesion.
As Diam kept trying to tell us all..............."YOU'LL SEE!!!"...............Well, we've seen plenty to know that all the questions about Quinn were, unfortunately, legitimate. Because we now know that Quinn has questionable accuracy, he needed every single snap he could get to develop his game, a game that clearly isn't of an elite variety. The only way for him to get over the hump, and therefore for this team to know whether or not he's got enough in the tank to be "the man", is for Quinn to get as many reps as humanly possible.
'Gini screwed that up, and now our team is paying the price.
Getting back to trying to answer your direct question, because 'Gini botched this thing and moved Quinn's development back two games, the ass-whoopin' we got from the Donks represents the 4th preseason games worth of reps in my eyes. His cohesion is further hindered because of this ASSININE experiment with Cribbs as a starting, and unbelievably "go-to" receiver. How long before Quinn starts to get it? Even with those excuses, he's a 3rd year QB. He needs to start getting it by this time next month. That cohesion should already have started to develop.
For all the reasons...........and yes, they are LEGIT reasons............that Quinn is struggling due to things he can't control, there ARE things which he can control, and those are on him.
Bottom line: It doesn't take "cohension" to hit a streaking receiver with no deep safety down the middle of the field. Lack of "cohesion" didn't cause Quinn to hit the trailing defensive back........in the back. His light needs to come on quickly.
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Quinn may never get there, just an observasion (spl) But if there is ONE thing that I see is we have a long way to go, I see some of the same play calling as I have for the last few year's I also see some very poor to very poor athletes....not all but way too many to help cover up for poor play. and what about the upper management? are they not at fault also? We are what our record is! Do we have talent?...yes , but not enough in the right area's. In 10 year's since we have come back we have never had a complete team...sorry but we havent. Time to take the orange colored classes off and see the truth. 
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That's where all the excuses/reasons come from, but many of those are just reaches, trying to figure out why failure is failure.
We've tried experienced coaches. We've tried young, inexperienced coaches. We've tried proven FO people. We've tried young, unproven FO people. We've tried giving all the authority to one guy. We've tried spreading the authority to everyone. We've tried veteran QB's. We've tried young QB's. We've tried staying the course (ie: being patient). We've tried fixing the problem quickly.
None of it has worked.
All it really comes down to is that Lerner hasn't been able to put the right people in place to make the right decisions. It has nothing to do with "patience" or "bleeding orange and brown." It's just the wrong people, and all that falls directly on Lerner's ability (or lack-thereof) to hire the right guys.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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all that falls directly on Lerner's ability (or lack-thereof) to hire the right guys.
Im not so sure he even care's!
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Outside of other arguments put forth, I have to think he cares for no other reason than he's not going to pour all the money he has into something that isn't netting any results. As the team struggles, so does merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc. That affects Lerner's bottom line. To me, that's enough to make him care a whole heluva lot right there.
Maybe he doesn't care one bit about the team. But I'm sure he cares about losing money.
JMHO
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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And he knows that losing games means losing money, therefore he's clearly interested in winning.
Gee, that's so complicated to understand.
All people have to do is look at how he's handed out MILLIONS of dollars in extensions, only to fire those guys the next year. Butch Davis and Crennel come to mind.
The examples are right there. People just don't want to see them.
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So, if Mangini sees that Robiskie cannot produce, he still needs to put him on the field so all of us fans can see he's not going to produce?
Great logic.
Yeah......kinda like the BQ situation 
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The Cleveland Browns made their return to the NFL in 1999?
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The Cleveland Browns made their return to the NFL in 1999?
FALLACY
Unfortunately this is truth. 
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Hmmm , how bout this...
Truth...Mangini said Cribbs would given reps at safety...
Fallacy-He's a WR..
Truth:Cribbs is listed as the # 2 WR..
Fallacy:He didn't win that job ..he said he was going to sit if he didn't get a new contract.. yet he got a starting role..was this to appease him???
My theory..He has yet to be used in the right capacity in the wildcat..why aren't we seeing him used in his familar position(QB) in that formation?
He can throw..ad run..so why isn't he allowed to do this which would create havoc on a defense??
Perhaps if he's tried at WR and fails,( which he has)it takes the steam out of his cry for a new contract..but it's being done at the expense of our rookie WR's who really should have been worked into the lineup..
Anyone ever thought this???
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A guy at the wheel of a Wildcat needs to be an running back, IMO - like Ronnie Brown. I watched the MNF game and they gashed Indy's defense with the Wildcat. Brown was brilliant waiting for his blocks to unfold.... Cribbs doesn't have that instinct and isn't a running back, or anything close to it. He was a QB in college, but I can recall him throwing a pass out of the Wildcat just one time.
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So you'd rather have him as the # 2 WR??
Gini says they're committed to it..WHY?
Thats what i want to know..WHY??
If anything he should be in the slot..he knows little about route running as I've seen him break off a route instead of just going several yards futher downfield.
Gini should be more committed to getting his second rounders PT..thats why they were drafted..and in fact Cribbs is more of a rookie reciever than they are..he's never played there..they are natural wideouts..
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So you'd rather have him as the # 2 WR??
Nope. Didn't say anything close to that.
Cribbs is a slot/gadget player, not a WR.
I agree with ya, I'd rather they suffer growing pains witrh MassQ then continue this Cribbss/wideout experiment.
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A guy at the wheel of a Wildcat needs to be an running back, IMO - like Ronnie Brown. I watched the MNF game and they gashed Indy's defense with the Wildcat. Brown was brilliant waiting for his blocks to unfold.... Cribbs doesn't have that instinct and isn't a running back, or anything close to it. He was a QB in college, but I can recall him throwing a pass out of the Wildcat just one time.
if you run the Arkansas style wildcat, I agree with you.
However, why can't we run a Texas style zone-read spread (think VY in Rose Bowl) with Cribbs at QB? He reads the D for the handoff, if it's not there he rolls right with option1 being BE deep, option2 being TE coming from the weakside, option3 being to run.
I don't see how this wouldn't work in the NFL (other than getting the QB killed on occasion, but that's why you don't use your regular QB).
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Cribbs will get pulverized in this league, and in this division doing that...
but if you want hard nose football... It will work.
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that's why you only run it maybe 5 times a game....gives the defense another thing to work on....and gives the offense another way to get yards.
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Hmmm , how bout this...
Truth...Mangini said Cribbs would given reps at safety...
Fallacy-He's a WR..
So you've added a third variable to my game:
Truth........fallacy.........or..........INSANITY......
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What..I'm now insane? 
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Well, yeah! You're a Browns fan. Of course you're insane. 
But no, the comment was made towards 'Gini and his thoughts that,
A) Cribbs could be a safety, then
B) Cribbs is a wide receiver.
THAT is insanity.
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On Cribbs, I would start a conversion to safety today. The guys strength is reading and reacting, not confining him to set routes.
There is some read & react being a WR too. It's not just run your routes correctly.
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If we had named Quinn the starter after the 2nd preseason game, he would have had a FULL 2 games knowing it was his show. The offense would have had two FULL games to prepare. So instead of looking like the worst offense in the NFL, which we are, we'd be that much closer to cohesion.
Did any other team not allow their prospective QB 2-3 game experience in preseason? Farve had a short time to get ready but he has experience. He even had trouble his first game against us.
Mangini is just as much to blame so we should not be kicking Quinn until he has some time.
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Truth or Falllacy: We will never have a Championship team, until Lerner stops picking the HC's ahead of the GM's and proceeds to let the HC's run the whole show. It's a dead end street and time to get off it !!!!  TRUTH, it's STRIKE 3 for Randy, but he still hasen't learned not to fall in love with a HC and let him pick the rest of the organization, it's the road to FAILURE,  Just look at the results, it's a a dead end street, so lets get off it !!!! 
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Yeah I much rather would have seen us get Dimitrov or steel someone from the steelers organization. A solid front office would do wonders for this team as far as just scouting talent and hiring competent coaching staffs. Rob Ryan is the best defensive co-ordinator we've had since our return. He's not bad, but at least he's solid and knows how to attack but offensive coordinator has been a joke around here since the return. I also would liked to have seen a good defensive mind like a Spagnuolo or an actually disciplined tough guy who used to play that would command respect like Mike Singletary. Watching Mangini get all dressed up as Billy Badass and legitimately think he can do what Belichick does in NE here is pathetic. I want this to work more than you know just to see the Browns win for once but he is really shaky in what I've seen so far with how he's handled the WR situation trying Cribbs and screwing the 2nd round WR's out of time over "not having a special teams role" and a rookie OC call bad plays with a QB who can't throw the ball 5 yards beyond the LOS is also pathetic. This year is a headache and I'll be relieved if we can win a game and see if any of the young guys can play and we can upgrade at RT. This is just awful offensive football to watch.
Really not liking what I'm seeing this year. Want it to work out but the Cleveland skepticism for this year has already dawned on me. Unless we should some fight this game vs. Baltimore, I can almost promise we are picking top 5 come draft time and I'm not sure a franchise QB is in there yet...
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