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So Anderson loses the job in the wrong way first
Did DA lose the job the wrong way?
He got pulled for poor play, be it him or the teams, or just as a chance to see what Quinn had then since the season was gone, and was replaced for 2 games, before getting put back in due to Quinn's injury, then got injured himself.
Then this year, under new staff couldn't solidify his position as the starter. He wasn't Manning, Romo, McNabb or the like in which a new HC would come in and know he had his QB.
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me might can trade Anderson to the Cowboys...
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me might can trade Anderson to the Cowboys...
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WE might can trade Anderson to the Cowboys...
Was that English?
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Yeah the M and W are so close to each other 
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LOL, even then it barely makes sense.
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Or yoda.
"Trade Anderson for picks we can"
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season was gone? we were 2 games under .500! we were 3-5...How is the season gone at that point?
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don't forget leadership. i don't consider this leadership:
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Does he need to use more vertical passes to stretch defenses?
“Without a doubt, but you have to understand ... the best way to open up things downfield is to have a running game.”
http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x2024002637/Browns-notebook-Flacco-beats-Quinn-in-a-knockout-at-QB
so quinn: what happened when jamal had over 5 yards a carry? why don't you complete some passes so our running game doesn't see a stacked box every down! 
Nice. Two weeks, two teammates thrown under the bus by our mediocre QB.
Please, someone in the locker room remind Brady about how Jamal's YPC against Minnesota eclipsed Brady's YPA for 3.5 quarters and ask him again about how the running game needs to open up the passing game.
i really want to know where the quinn homers are on this one. the one thing always harped about was leadership ability. to be fair, quinn has said for the 2nd week in a row that the "onus is on [him]" but i read that and i feel like he's just saying that because he knows that's what he's supposed to say. then he goes out and blames the run game twice in two weeks. maybe i'm being oversensitive but that quote really pissed me off.
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The exact same stuff was said about Charlie Frye.
"He's skittish because he's getting hit so oftem" ..... "The OL is a revolving door" ......
In the end, he just wasn't a very good QB.
I'm afraid that's where we're headed with Quinn as well.
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It might be a little too early to say that, but one thing I know to be an absolute fact:
Quinn isn't what he was billed as being. "NFL ready" is something he's not now in his 3rd year, so clearly he wasn't as a rookie.
I see the smarts and I see the leadership. I see the mobility. I see the accuracy short.
But that's where it ends.
My questions revolve around accuracy on what I'd loosely call "NFL throws."
There are many QB's in the NFL that have an NFL arm but can't make all the NFL throws. That really comes down to nothing more than being accurate on long passes.
Quinn has thrown alot of loose passes........ie.......non-spirals...........and that lends itself to poor accuracy. The only guy in the history of the NFL that I ever which could get away with loose passes was Marino.
It may be a miss on my part, but I'm beginning to believe that the reason Quinn doesn't go downfield more is because he knows deep down in his heart of hearts that he can't fit the ball into those tight windows past the short-to-intermediate stuff, so if he doesn't see a guy that's CLEARLY open, he's just going short.
That's the difference between a guy that looks good in college then falters in the pro's. The windows to throw to in the NFL are so much smaller than they are in college. QB's have to anticipate a player breaking open and already have the ball on the way. Quinn looks like he's waiting, but that clock in his head says he has to get the ball out or he's sacked, so he's dumping it off short. That's why I threw Alex Smith under the bus before he was ever drafted, and why I believed Aaron Rodgers was going to be a good QB: One threw to already open receivers, one knew where to go with the ball and threw when the receivers weren't yet open.
Quinn has a long way to go as an NFL QB. I don't know how high his ceiling is with his lack of accuracy. I see too many off-target throws and pseudo-flutterballs. Maybe calming his nerves will calm that stuff down. Then again, maybe it won't.
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season was gone? we were 2 games under .500! we were 3-5...How is the season gone at that point?
With the way the team was playing, you thought they still had a chance? If nothing else, a QB change could add some spark that was obviously lacking.
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and...we followed up by winning 1 game the rest of the way. Not the correct spark if you ask me...yea its hindsight...but yuck.
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yeah, but who could have predicted us using 4 different QBs in the last 7-8 games? 
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ik and i understand completely...hindsight blah blah blah... but yikes...turns out it was an awful choice...and we couldve rectified that...but havent in his first year of starting he threw 16 INTs...and through 9 games last year he threw 8, which leaves him on pace for roughly 15. in 2008 http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/interceptions/year/2008 Brees threw 17 Cutler threw 18 Frerotte and Roethlisberger threw 15 Warner and Romo threw 14 Frerotte didnt play the full year, but the rest...arent bad company. So to say that Derek Anderson throws INTs at a higher clip than other QBs is incorrect. Manning (P), Delhomme threw 12, Cassel, McNabb, Rivers, Ryan threw 11... but being on pace for 15ish...isnt turnover prone. its not far and away bench material. Shaun Hill is a QB that is considered a guy who takes care of the ball...in 5 more passes he threw 8 ints. Did Anderson perform worse last year? absolutely. he only completed 50% of his passes, had a 66.5 passer rating (dangerously close to what weve got starting now) and only averaged 165 yards a game through the air. yea thats bad. But...BUT...when he was out did it get better? no. and that is what lays the blame away from his shoulders...not completely of course. but our struggles werent his fault. we were 3-5 with him as a starter and 1-7 without. In fact...we got worse. And i think, that is a greater measure of success...If youre playing a sport and your team does worse without you. dont you feel you were an improvement over what is doing worse? In fact...since 2007, we are 13-10 with him as a starter...and 1-9 without. Have there been other factors? you bet, but...isnt there something in there that says he isnt a problem...not even...he isnt THE problem...he isnt A problem. in fact. looking at that alone. he is better than what we have, and what we have had. How do we continue to say he isnt good? or isnt the answer? i guess if the question is...how can we win less games? then yes he is the answer. or...who hasnt won 10 games in 1 season?..yes he is not the answer. The biggest problem with our franchise now...is that, we do know what we have in Anderson...and thats not good enough. how is it not good enough, when he has won 13 of his last 23 starts. That he has won 12 more games than our team has in our teams last 34 games. i'm honestly baffled, and the more i look at it...the more it confuses me. Really though...look at our team and how it has performed...in the last 2 years and 2 games...we've won exactly 1 game without Derek Anderson starting. 1. not 1ish...1. one game. I cant justify thinking that we should start anyone else. I cant. Nor do i see a way that we can rationalize starting anyone else? Can someone give me that proof?
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I cant justify thinking that we should start anyone else. I cant. Nor do i see a way that we can rationalize starting anyone else? Can someone give me that proof?
Apparently the coaches did, and DA did nothing to prove they were wrong when given the chance.
So for whatever reason they chose the route they did, and it's their choice to make, we can argue til we all die, but nothing we say or type will change a dang thing.
I'm sure there's one thing we ALL can agree on. "We just want to see a competitive team year after year." and personally I don't care if that means we replace all 53 players.
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I see the smarts and I see the leadership. I see the mobility. I see the accuracy short.
I'm concerned about the leadership at this point. Part of leading is doing and having people believe in you. I don't think the team fully believes in Quinn right now, especially if much of the offensive struggles are deemed to be his fault. They all are towing the company line, but what do they really feel ... what do the WRs feel, what does the defense feel? They are going to back Quinn in public, but the body language in the last game was just downright awful.
He has the intelligence to be a leader, but I'm not sure he's earned the respect to be one. And he certainly hasn't done anything performance-wise. The whole leadership quality is going to be moot unless he starts performing.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He hasn't "earned" it. I agree. That's probably why that idiot Smith took a shot at him, hehe.
When I say he shows leadership, there are actually several ways to be viewed as a leader. Kosar did it by example. Guys like Aikman did as well. Guys like P. Manning and Marino did it by lighting a fire under guys butts. From the standpoint of controlling a huddle, yeah, ok, I see the leadership. The only problem is that fallacy of leadership goes away if the QB can't produce.
So yes, I believe he shows enough leadership. The problem is that if he doesn't produce, he won't be respected, and he won't have any leadership.
Really, no QB in their first or second year is considered a leader, not even Marino after his rookie season of greatness. However, in terms of being used to controlling a huggle and saying the right things, yeah, I see it from Quinn.
Of course I also saw it from Anderson, but in terms of being a happy-go-lucky teammate, an "aw-shucks" dude who kept players loose, and a guy that did good things without any expectations. The problem is that people around here wanted to see a guy like Manning out there being a commander. Leadership comes in many shapes and sizes. Fans around here would do well to learn that lesson.
Quinn needs to start producing, or all the accolades and praise heaped upon him undeservedly are going to cause a backlash.
Between you and I (and the rest of the people reading the board I suppose ) the one guy I still know in the league had told me more than a year back that Quinn was going to have problems getting people to back him because of his persona. I'd told Diam this I don't know how many months ago. Well, we're very quickly reaching a critical point with Quinn. He certainly can't afford to have sat and learned for two years on the bench then come out shooting blanks.
I hope he gets it because I think he has the moxy and smarts to be a winner. But I'm not the least bit encouraged by what I've seen since he's been a pro. All I see are a magnification of the deficiencies I saw from his college days. I questioned him when we got him, and I question him today. He needs to step it up, and step it up fast.
I'll tell you what I find absolutely hysterical: I read somewhere on one of the Cleveland articles where a writer had suggested Quinn is now showing the cost of sitting on the bench for two years So for decades it was wise to sit a QB and let him learn, but suddenly, because it's Quinn, he's regressed because he didn't get thrown into the fire.
Yeah. Right. BS.
Unless your a veteran who has accomplished things in this league, you can have all the leadership tools in the world, but that won't make you one. He's got the tools for that aspect of the position, but not the results to drive them home.
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I have an interesting thought...
What IF Quinn comes out, looks sharp and good against the Ravens, and we pull out an upset...
Where does this conversation go then?
the same place it went when the offense came out and performed well against the Giants last year. Good for the week untill the next embarassment.
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Lately, the "thrown into the fire" philosophy has worked for the Ravens, Falcons and the Jets.
The "Sit and Learn" philosophy as demonstrated by the Packers, Browns and Raiders doesn't seem to be panning out.
Not so sure I care for the "Sit and Learn" philosophy...
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Forced to sit and learn has worked for Aaron Rodgers..I was high on him..
The Faiders don't sit anyone..they just aren't good enough to start.
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you can argue pittsburgh too even though they were kinda forced into it a number of years ago
baltimore, atlanta, pitt, etc one big difference is they had all the other positions pretty well sorted so you can make up for any bad QB play. my 0.02
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was watching NFL Network a bit last night, and they talked about the Browns offense.
They picked on particular play out from last week where we had 3 receivers go out between 10-15 yards. as each reached their point in their route, they all just stood at their end point for a couple seconds, none of them moved to try to get open, just stood there with the CB waiting. BQ ended up getting sacked.
It was quite interesting.
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Did you pick up who it was?
I'm certain Cribbs is one..I know he breaks off routes early..
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I think it was Cribbs, Furrey, and BE.
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The "Sit and Learn" philosophy as demonstrated by the Packers, Browns and Raiders doesn't seem to be panning out.
Aaron Rodgers isn't panning out? 
Russel can't hit the broad side of a barn and is about 30 pounds overweight.
That isn't about coaching. That's about scouting.
Then there's Quinn, who is holding onto the ball too long and missing open receivers when he's not checking down too early.
No, saying he's paying the price for sitting on the bench is a crutch.
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not to mention Palmer (before the knee injury) and Rivers both seem to be fine with the sit and learn approach.
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Rodgers is panning out quite well.
Russell is not, and NEVER was, going to pan out.
Quinn, contrary to popular opinions on here (including yours), is still very much undecided and up in the air. FAR too early for people to be passing absolute judgments on him. He HAS been sucking it up, but it is still just WAY premature for all of the 'Bust' labelling and declarations that he is getting hurled at him.
Browns is the Browns
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Russell is not, and NEVER was, going to pan out.
Quinn, contrary to popular opinions on here (including yours), is still very much undecided and up in the air. FAR too early for people to be passing absolute judgments on him. He HAS been sucking it up, but it is still just WAY premature for all of the 'Bust' labelling and declarations that he is getting hurled at him.
So Russell is not, and never was, going to pan out...
...but the book is still out on Quinn?
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to be fair, no one is calling him a bust. the most vocal people are simply those holding quinn to the same standard that the most biased quinn-supporters held anderson to.
i think we all recognize that's too early to write the book on quinn but the other point being made is, if quinn doesn't offer the advantages expected, there is a question of whether he should play.
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Interesting.............
Many questioned my skepticism of Quinn. That skepticism has now been substantiated. Yet while doubt remains, I haven't thrown Quinn into the six-foot hole. The only absolute I have placed on Quinn is that he isn't what was sold to us.
But man, it sure is easy to see how I've "written the book" on Quinn.
Amazing how people are able to read into things.
Gotta admit, Purp, the irony of your statement.
I haven't passed final judgment on Quinn, yet you claimed I have while you simultaneously did pass final judgment on Russel.
Fascinating.........
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No irony in my statement at all.
Russell does not have anything at all, particularly brain cells. He's really big and has an arm... that's it.
Quinn has a lot of tools that you see in successful quarterbacks - the question is still whether or not he will be able to use them at this level.
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And yet despite saying virtually the same thing in an earlier post, where I defended him as having leadership and smarts, you pointed the finger suggesting I've already made up my mind that Quinn is a bum.
That makes my point in a very crystal-clear fashion: Being critical and having doubts isn't the same as judgments in the absolute, but I sure do catch some flack for no other reason than Quinn is a Brown and my criticism loud.
That's hardly fair. Some might even say it's unfair of you to pass an absolute on Russel.
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Quinn has a lot of tools that you see in successful quarterbacks - the question is still whether or not he will be able to use them at this level.
Russell has a lot of tools that you see in successful quarterbacks - good size, big arm, mobile - the question is still whether or not he will be able to use them at this level.
See how that works?
Though Russell has appeared in almost 3 times as many games, their career numbers are pretty similar. Russell's QB rating is higher, his completion percentage is 2 points lower. They turn over the ball at roughly the same rate.
Stats are for losers, of course, but the bottom line is they've both looked like duds. Yet you're dismissing one as a stiff and claiming that the other might not be a stiff. They both look equally bad on the field, various intangibles aside...but one's a stiff, and his subpar-to-putrid performance is never going to change...and the other - who plays for your team - might turn around his subpar-to-putrid NFL performances to date?
You really don't see the irony?
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I'll tell you what's ironic...........
The fact that we now know Savage loved Russel, which doesn't exactly help the cause of those that go all the way back to the old, tired, boring, and false statement of:
"They work in professional football and you don't, so they always know more than you do."
Scary that Savage only selected Thomas as a compromise for a split war-room. 
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haha but think of the debates if we had russell, he sat for a year, and DA had the year he did in 2007.
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My bad, then toad... I misunderstood your stance on Quinn. Yeah, yeah Phil... it's ironic.  Now, to go back to RealityLand: only a sick mind would have looked at Russell and thought he was an NFL QB. Most any mind could look at Quinn and see actual NFL potential.
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Now, to go back to RealityLand: only a sick mind would have looked at Russell and thought he was an NFL QB. Most any mind could look at Quinn and see actual NFL potential.
I looked at both, and saw two busts waiting to happen.
For all of the warning signs for Russell, there were plenty for Quinn...he looked good throwing against service schools, and looked downright lost against any team with any semblance of talent. Every flaw he's displaying on the pro level are things that were warned against...it isn't some big shock that he's flailing.
The only reason he came in with the hype he did was his school and his looks. If he played in the WAC, he'd have been a 3rd-4th-5th round pick, where he should've gone. A flyer QB. Maybe something to groom into a back-up.
You're certain that Russell is going to fail, and I'm certain Quinn will...truth is, we're probably both right.
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haha but think of the debates if we had russell, he sat for a year, and DA had the year he did in 2007.
Dude, I fully doubt that you could have a conversation on the feasibility of windshield wipers on a goat's ass without bringing up DA into the conversation.
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