DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum quinn talk part 3

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haha but think of the debates if we had russell, he sat for a year, and DA had the year he did in 2007.

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Dude, I fully doubt that you could have a conversation on the feasibility of windshield wipers on a goat's ass without bringing up DA into the conversation.

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All BQ has shown me this season...is when he sucks...he don't suck NO WHERE near as bad as DA.

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My bad, then toad... I misunderstood your stance on Quinn.

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*sniffle* It's so hard being the lil' ol' me......poor, poor misunderstood Toad.

No worries, Purp. As critical as I am, it's easy to think I'm throwing Quinn under the bus. While I believe Anderson has more tools in terms of passing, Quinn adds more dimensions to our offense.

My one biggest complaint is his inability to get the ball downfield. If he can figure that out, he can be a solid QB.

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Now, to go back to RealityLand: only a sick mind would have looked at Russell and thought he was an NFL QB.

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Savage liked him *shudder* which probably explains part of the reason we're in this mess.

Having said what I said about Quinn and Russell, know that I'm in complete agreement with you. I look at Russell and see a physical presence that has never played the QB position in the history of the NFL, but that doesn't make him a good prospect. As much as I've questioned Quinn's accuracy, Russell has no earthly clue where the ball is going when it comes out of his hand.

Al Davis screwed the pooch on that one, and along that same process, I'm damn glad Savage is gone.

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Scary that Savage only selected Thomas as a compromise for a split war-room.

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With whom was the war-room split?

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With whom was the war-room split?

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Thomas and Adrian Peterson.

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Got news for you - DA, BQ whoever is playing is "OUR BOY"

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And I got to laugh at anyone supporting DA...

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All BQ has shown me this season...is when he sucks...he don't suck NO WHERE near as bad as DA.

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When DA is bad...we've still been in games. Only 2 games that hes ever started have we lost by more than one possession. So...bad DA isnt horrible.

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"All BQ has shown me this season...is

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He is being coached by Carl Smith (I think he is getting TimCouchitis)

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Russell was PS's fav but he was drafted before our pick so was never an option.

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Russell was PS's fav but he was drafted before our pick so was never an option.

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Technically, that's correct. But there were many stories (true or untrue we will never know) that savage was working the phones with the hope of pulling off a deal that would have netted them the first pick in the draft.

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If you're going to play the stats game, you can't begin to compare them until you have an equal sample size. You don't have to be a statistician to know that. "Waiting" until our bye week won't get you there, so your analysis will STILL be completely invalid (statistically speaking -- which is how you are attempting to build your case).

If you're really interested in comparing stats, come back after BQ has 25+ starts under his belt. Only then will your comparison be worth reading.

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What you can look at, however, it the almost exact same path that each guy has taken to the starting tole.

Quinn and Anderson each sat during their rookie year. They sat the 1st half of their 2nd year and then were pressed into service. (Quinn by being named starter, and Anderson due to an injury to Ftye)

Each QB's 2nd season looked like this:

Anderson entered the game in week 12 when Frye was injured. He played that game, as well as starting the next 3 before being unable to go due to injury.

Anderson completed 66-117 for 793 yards, 5 TDs and 8 INTs. (4 against Tampa Bay in his final game of the year)

Quinn ascended to the starting job in week 9 of his 2nd season.

Quinn completed 45-89 passes for 2 TDs and 2 INTs. He started 3 games, but was unable to finish the 3rd due to injury.

Eerily similar circumstances to this point.

The following season for each involved a QB competition. Quinn "won" his much as Frye had against Anderson in Quinn's rookie year.

Anderson then entered the game against the Steelers when Frye was maming the entire team look incompetent. Just as a reminder ......

Frye went 4-10 for 34 yards with an INT and 5 sacks in that game.

Anderson went 13-28 for 184 with 1 TD and 1 INT. He was sacked exactly 1 time despite playing the majority of the game.

Posters then went on to talk of how our line was the best in the history of the NFL .... and how the team could be really good if only Anderson wasn't holding them back. Some even maintained that Frye was the better QB .. and how Holmgren taking him was a sign that he would be great ..... and the heir apparant in Seattle.

Anyway .... fast forward to that 3rd season for Anderson, and we can all recall his ups, ups, ups, and downs. Fast forward to this, Quinn's 3rd season ... and it's been all downs, all the time so far. (mostly a lot of 4th downs)

Now, I'm not prepared to claim that Quinn is a bust ...... but man he sure is on the path. The lights don't appear to have come on for this kid. Considering that he ran a similar offense in college ..... there should be, at the very least, a dim candle burning. More frightening is that his accuracy and downfield throws seem to be a horrific experience for all involved. So far Quinn has gone 1-7 in passes longer than 20 yards. He looks like he's trying to direct the ball rather than passing it. This happens to a lot of QBs entering the league ... and they typically exit the league in short order as well.

People want to use the term "game manager" to refer to a guy who takes care of the ball ..... has a high completion percentage ... and the like .....

Kosar is often a guy people use as an example.

Kosar didn't hit 60% of his passes until his 3rd season. He only did so 4 times out of his 9 years as a starer. His average per attempt was 6.9 .... but that really nosedived as the Browns fortunes did the same.

Bernie did, however, attack down the field. He hit receivers where they could make plays. He didn't dink and dunk .... he took that route often as a 3rd option rather as the first.

It's rather ironic that the play that got Kosar his 1 way ticket out of Cleveland .... and earned Bill Belichick eternal scorn .... this play wasn't a screen ..... it wasn't a dump off .... it was a deep ball for a TD.

Anyway .... my point is that Quinn, thus far, looks less capable that Anderson did with similar time/games under their resective belts. That's frightening, considering Quinn pedigree and pre-draft hype.

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If you're going to play the stats game, you can't begin to compare them until you have an equal sample size. You don't have to be a statistician to know that. "Waiting" until our bye week won't get you there, so your analysis will STILL be completely invalid (statistically speaking -- which is how you are attempting to build your case).

If you're really interested in comparing stats, come back after BQ has 25+ starts under his belt. Only then will your comparison be worth reading.

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funny stat shown in the game today, in Flacco's first 5 games his td/int numbers were 1/7. Unfortunatly for us Flacco has the benifit of a good line, running game and great defense.

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funny stat shown in the game today, in Flacco's first 5 games his td/int numbers were 1/7. Unfortunatly for us Flacco has the benifit of a good line, running game and great defense.

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Which is exactly why I'd be perfectly happy letting DA (no he's not an All Pro but he's at least competent) start the rest of this year AND next year. Forget drafting a QB in the top 3. Trade Quinn for extra picks. Trade down from that top 3 spot and get extra picks. WE NEED LOTS OF HELP.

I'd hope to get an extra 2nd round pick somewhere out of those deals and with my late 1st round pick and 2 2nd round picks I'd go RT/S/LB (in no particular order). 3rd and 4th rounds I'd go WR/CB/RG. Everything beyond that is BPA. Go get a vet FA to backup DA at QB.

Build the lines. Build the defense. Build the running game. Once it's there, worry about having an "elite" QB.

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