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I know a lot of people are talking about mark sanchez, and how instead of the guy who just beat the pats, we have a center who can't shotgun snap...but my big forehead slap is the chance to have rey maualuga, a defensive playmaker and rallier instead of brian robiskie who can't play his way into a fairly tame WR corps...
i know these "shoulda done it" draft threads are useless, but a lot of people were after that pick before the draft as well...
any other rookies that you had a "toldyaso" attitude on?
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To be honest, I never had a good feeling about drafting Veikune. He always seemed like a reach to me, and it never quite made sense...I really don't see him panning out.
I also had my issues with Robiskie. I feared he would lack the ability to separate from NFL corners. As of now, this pick doesn't seem to be fitting in.
However, keep in mind both of these guys could and HOPEFULLY will prove me wrong...it might just take time
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Robiskie. I said he was a bum from the start and got killed for it on here.
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Robiskie. I said he was a bum from the start and got killed for it on here.
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At the time, I could not believe we passed on Maualuga. I can see why they drafted WR, as Braylon had a lot of uncertainty and LB wasn't a big need with the guys Mangini brought over. But damn, we could have had a cornerstone for 6 or more years.
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I know I would have loved to have my boy LeSean McCoy in the 2nd.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Robo and Veikune will never amount to beans in this league. Robo couldnt separate from college corners, what did our scouts see that made them believe he could separate at the NFL level.....oh...wait.....thats right we fired our scouting director.
Veikune....sad pick...he has no speed, not near the athletic ability to play OLB, which is why they quickly changed him to ILB, where he'll be buried in the dpeth chart for years. No hip movement, no change of direction.
Rey Rey is going to be a probowler for Cinci, mark that, He along with Antwan Odom are gonna start an anchoring point for the Bungles.
Mack and MoMass will be ok players. I'm no longer sold that Mack will be probowl caliber, he's not as physical as I hope, bad snaps and reads aside. MoMass mgith be a solid #2 down the road....not at all what is needed from a 2nd rounder.
We should have walked away with an impact player in the first and Rey Rey and Loadholt in the second, trading down several time to inccure wasted 2nd rounders doesnt do much for me. Especially when you leave 2 studs on the board in Rey Rey and Everett Brown, and even Loadholt.
Once again, "fans" on this board could draft circles around these bums. Same old, same old.
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Where did we finally pick in the 1st round? #21? Okay i'll play. Even though its worthless you have to consider had we gone this route we could be a totally different team right now
#21 - Michael Oher OT, Mississippi or Donald Brown RB, Uconn
#36 - Ray Maualuga, LB, USC
#50 - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma (If we took Donald Brown), or LeSean McCoy, RB, Pitt
#52 - Sean Smith, CB/S, Utah
All rookies who are making an impact right now for there teams.
And to think only one of our draft picks are even making an "impact" right now.
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Whatever makes you sleep at night....we'll be 0-8 like the snap of your fingers. You can take it to the bank that this draft will go down as one of the worst in awhile.
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hindsight.. we still can't change anything.. we can do this post for ANY previous draft... but whats the point.. we don't have the guys...
I can only hope that this team "clicks" and puts forth a better effort to win ball games.
Offense is gonna have to step it up.. as always.. this defense will not KEEP you in the game for four full quarters... We need points on the board.
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Waiting for Toad to come in as he thought Robo was a good selection..now me, I wanted no part of him..if we were going WR I listed the choices..
However various draftniks were very high on him..and said he was NFL ready-to-go..
Watching at OSU was puzzling because in his junior year he did get behind a lot of DB's for some long gains..which puzzled me because I didn't think he was that fast..
Now I think what the problem is the Browns are geared on featuring/developing Cribbs which is a complete waste and Robo is melting away...get the kid out there and lets see what he can do..same with Mass..
I will repeat this until next draft..Mangini drafted complimentary players when he should have went with impact playmakers..wish I could bring up my mock..but it wouldn't matter..
I was ticked that Sintim was passed on along with some other guys..now those screaming Maualuga (Mourg wanted him badly), there were issues with him that drove him down..loved the big hit but not consistant..could we use that?
Of course but I 'm not reaming KoMan for that , I certainly wasn't in the camp to draft him after I saw when he had a crappy interview..arrogant and may have smelled of red bite stuff..(alcohol for U guys that don't get it)..but I am always miffed why the Browns repeatedly pass on on talent for support type players..
Honestly even though they needed the picks when Curry went off the board it changed .even though the trade was discussed on Friday..
But Curry wasn't the onlt LB available..English /Matthews went way early but Sintim/Barwin were still on the board..go figure..
They came out with 4 picks on the first day..they could have made a lot better use of those picks..
I know U liked McCoy, I wanted the bigger back in Green..which the Jets picked up..I know I didn't have anyone we drafted in my mocks except Mack/Francies.. 
But Big Willie mentioned to me they couldn't have had Veikune rated higher than some other notable players..well that goes for Robo/Mass..
I responded...don't know..
Just don't know..always get that feeling of being underwhelmed after the draft..
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Whatever makes you sleep at night....we'll be 0-8 like the snap of your fingers. You can take it to the bank that this draft will go down as one of the worst in awhile.
Yeah we might be 0-8, we may be 0-16, hell the Browns may never win another game in the history of the franchise. Anything is possible.
How can you say that this draft will go down as one of the worst when you're 2 games into the season? I just don't understand.
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hindsight.. we still can't change anything.. we can do this post for ANY previous draft... but whats the point.. we don't have the guys...
Ummm? What's the point? Oh, just the reason we keep sucking maybe? 
1st day was terrible...if you look at FA and draft as a whole it gets even worse...we completely misplayed our pretty strong hand....
#21 RT Oher or C/G Wood or WR Harvin (playmaking speed, complement to BE, not more of the same) or WR Maclin (before trade downs) or WR Nicks or WR Britt
#36 CB A.Smith or OLB Barwin or ILB Maualuga (dont like the guy but he was ok value here, even as a 2down ILB only...imagine him behind Rogers on running downs)
#50 RT Loadholt
#52 CB/S S.Smith or S R.Johnson
Man, we were in such nice position to have a really strong draft and Cartman completely crapped the bed drafting a C with lots of (too many for round 1) issues higher than a C ever drafted this decade...following it up with 2 absolutely identical WR prospect who had #2 WR as CEILING instead of at least inject some speed or playmaking abaility at the position.....but he saved his best outsmart move for last drafting a complete PROJECT at least 30 to 50 picks TOO HIGH in Veikune
I summarize....Butch Davis redux drafted Faine, QMorgan, Ncutt and Chaun Thompson again...hooray
I dont want to go through another offseason and draft like that....such a downgrade to Savage's drafts, who was far from perfect himself but had a better nose for talent
Oh well, at least the 6th was good but again he had to taint that by outsmartin Carey away guy's such a bum, it's unreal
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Shoulda stayed at 5 and picked Crabtree. Laugh if you want but he would have signed for #5 money and we'd have a kickass WR for BQ or DA or whoever the hell ends up being our QB.
Or Michael Oher. At least then our QBs wouldn't have to practice getting a helmet to the face every third play.
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Shoulda stayed at 5 and picked Crabtree. Laugh if you want but he would have signed for #5 money and we'd have a kickass WR for BQ or DA or whoever the hell ends up being our QB.
Or Michael Oher. At least then our QBs wouldn't have to practice getting a helmet to the face every third play.
No WR will do us much good till the right side of the line is fixed. Most QB's have to get in a groove, you can't really do that when guys are getting in the backfield the whole game and you have to hurry up your passes, thats when mistakes happen. Now that there is enough tape on our right side of the line just wait till we play the Ravens this week and see how lopsided this game is gonna be. Tom Brady could be back there and would just end up on the IR cuz the Ravens are gonna send the house on the right side all game.The Ravens LB'ers are drooling at this week.
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guess i can't blame teh FO on the right side of the line right now...if they were counting on Tucker, who was really good when he played, which it seems like forever ago...
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Tucker hasnt played RT in like 3 years, if they were counting on him, it had to at RG. Tucker was done as a RT in 2006, if EM and co really believed that Tuck could go back to RT, they had issues.
We made a mistake cutting Shaffer, its just the way it is, then we made another mistake taking some average non-impact WR over Loadholt in April.
This is not an accident that "snuck" up on EM.
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Two..............freakin'.................games....................and we're grading the 2009 draft class.
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Robiskie. I said he was a bum from the start and got killed for it on here.
Well, I can't blame anyone for that. You do it to your self by being negative torward anything Ohio State because you live/lived with an annoying fan.
Whereas you may be right but people are going to dismiss it as your bias against Ohio State.
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We made a mistake cutting Shaffer,
that is just funny right there....Shaffer couldn't even nab St. Clair's old spot in Chiacgo.
it's amazing how when we have players they get lambasted for bad play....then when they leave, all of a sudden everyone believes they were better than they were.
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Two..............freakin'.................games....................and we're talking about DA STARTING...is there a point? 
I'll talk draft all year..thats my thing..better than the glop of QB threads..
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While I'm not advocating Anderson be reinserted back into the starters role, there's a professional resume to validate opinions regarding Anderson, and that resume included a full successful season.
With the 2009 draft class, it's a bunch of rooks that very few people have actually seen play.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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that is just funny right there....Shaffer couldn't even nab St. Clair's old spot in Chiacgo.
it's amazing how when we have players they get lambasted for bad play....then when they leave, all of a sudden everyone believes they were better than they were.
I don't think anybody is saying Shaffer is suddenly an All-Pro tackle. However, it doesn't take a genius to see that St. Clair isn't even a lateral move. For all Shaffer's issues in pass protection, he was a much stronger run-blocker (particularly with Tuck next to him at RG -- those guys could get some push). St. Clair is just slow AND soft.
Seems to me we released Shaffer because he wasn't worth the money he was making (which was probably true). However, I'm betting we would have taken him back at a lower rate if we could have. I don't think that was an option for us, however. I mean, if you have the choice of taking a smaller amount of money to play in either Clevealnd or Chicago, where would you go? ::shrug::
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Shaffer.........St. Claire............each guy was wanted but at a greatly reduced rate, and when they said no, their respective teams settled for the other.
One guy is not better than the other, but because we relied upon him as a starter, the joke is on us.
Good job, Kokonis.  
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I was teasing U..but I was waiting for U to chime in about Robo..U liked the pick..I didn't but I understaood it..but interesting enough I hear Mass is going to get more reps..well give them both more reps..
I'm not down on them (like some are)I'm ticked they aren't in there..
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I agree. I really serves no purpose to be talking about who we should have drafted...it doesn't take much thought to figure that out.
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It does serve a purpose and U yourself have gotten into those discussions ..it goes on in other boards in other sports as well..
The only thing unfair is when peopl do a about face and say we shoulda drafted this guy or that when they never considered him..see I won't say we shoulda drafted Sanchez because Mangini had to see Quinn and DA..
Soem are doing that..
I maintain what I said about draft..they drafted complimentary players..thats what it looks like..
I don't wait for things to fail before I say anything..I speak my mind either day of draft(couldn't get into the chat room..)or the very next time I post..
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I don't like to be teased by grown men 
I did like the Robo pick. Actually, I was elated by it. I thought he'd be the possession receiver out of the slot that we've been missing. Like you, I've no idea why he isn't out there. Sure, I expected him to struggle as a rookie, since wideout is one of the toughest transitions from college to the NFL. But inactive?
Truthfully, I'd be afraid that something is really wrong with him as a receiver since he's been inactive, but then I look at how Mangini has handled not only the QB situation, but the Cribbs situation as well. That makes me wonder if it's not just a competency issue on his part.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I agree. I really serves no purpose to be talking about who we should have drafted...it doesn't take much thought to figure that out.
It serves about as much purpose as us talking about what we should do in the future We had no say or influence in the past and we don't have one in the future. That's not ever going to change....
So discussing "should have picks" isn't any different than your opinion on "anything and everything" Browns related except will you pay for tickets.
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I heard something about Robo not contributing enough on ST's..If that is true that is being too nitpicky.
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Where have you been Toad. Many of the unwise around here have been grading the draft since the first round was half way over
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Yea I mentioned that from one of his pressers from the other day. He was asked about Robo and he said it helps to be activated on game day if you can contribute on the teams package. I guess he just refuses to use a roster spot on game day for someone that may only see a pass or two come his way and can't add to value elsewhere....
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I fear Mangni's too stubborn for that...it's his way or highway....and it's like monarchy/dictatorship in politics...it can work if the guy running the thing is smart and can keep his sheep under him happy and is pushing the right buttons without being checked (yeah, as if this human being exists)....but you just can't run a dictatorship when the results aren't there and you keep preaching "core values" for improvement, all the while fining those same sheep left and right for trivial BS....from my point of view this is a worst case scenario and bold "how not to do it"
my best guess right now is that Mangini is possibly the wrongest guy around to give full reign...on pretty much all levels you can look at it
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you forgot another RT-mistake: not going after Pashos when it was clear that StClair is a bum...meanwhile Pashos is the starting RT in SF
oh well, might as well try out the rook, Trautwein,...liked him as a late round RT-only prospect...but don't expect much better results but I'd raterh see a rook fail there than a vet who's half-assing it
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The simplest thing to d is use the guy you have designated for ST's in that capacity..Cribbs..he isn't contributing much to the offense and he isn't a receiver, so Mangini is screwing himself up..he got Robo to be a possession guy , use him then..
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Well, I can't blame anyone for that. You do it to your self by being negative torward anything Ohio State because you live/lived with an annoying fan.
Whereas you may be right but people are going to dismiss it as your bias against Ohio State.
Yep. Considering I wanted Beanie at 21 after we traded down.
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