OT is a priority..we aren't gonna get the kind we want via FA..SO go groom one..
Trent Williams- Oklahoma 6-5 318 Russell Okung Oklahoma State 6-5 300 Ciron Black Louisiana State 6-5 322 Jason Fox Miami (FL) 6-7 314 Sam Young Notre Dame 6-8 320
Note..we aren't drafting a OT with our first pick..not happening..I'm just listing names at this point.. RB- Charles Scott Louisiana State 6-0 234
RB prospects will shuffle a lot as the season wears on..
WR-Brandon LaFell LSU 6-3 206
"DT/DE: Amazing class here. Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma leads it. He's a 6'4" 295 Junior and would've almost certainly been a top 10 pick last year if he had left after his Sophomore-Redshirt season. He would be a beastly end. Ndamukong Suh is a 6'4" 305 Senior from Nebraska. Suh can play any line position in a 3-4 despite his small size for a nose"
McCoy might fit best in a 43..not sure yet....at this point the Browns even if they trade back need BPA..the infamous Ok vs Neb is coming up even in the draft..
" S: Eric Berry is without a doubt the best safety, and draft prospect. No one else comes close. He was recruited as a cornerback, and started his Freshman season there, but was moved to strong safety so he could be more of a play maker. He has coverage skills reminiscent of Ed Reed's, but is more physical and aggressive. Taylor Mays is the best athlete at safety to come out since Sean Taylor. He is 6'3" 230 and rumored to run a 4.2 (USC speed, of course). He is great against the run, and is a very hard hitter, but hasn't made many plays at Southern California "
And here's where it gets cloudy..because although Mays doesn't make many plays..it won't mean he can't come in and tear up..we need a big hitter back there who isn't afraid to lower the boom on a ball carrier..Berry is more of a complete safety..so I don't think you can go wrong with either.. and totally disagree about cornback..
I hate the way our corners play..McDonald's..ERRRR McMuffin needs to be moved to the slot..sorry people he can't tackle wortha lick and gives too much cushion even after a catch is made in front of him..thats a NO-NO from a defensive point of view..I'll save that position for later because there's a lot of games to play and I have yet to see a lot of the corners out there.. One thing is clear...Browns have to go BPA(for the Browns) this draft..
I have some questions about drafting tackles, specifically when we need a right tackle. Is there a point in the draft where its too hight to draft one to play on the right side? Do you draft a highly rated left tackle and make him play right tackle?
Well lets say we're drafting in the top 5..that is too high to take a OT , who is more likely to be a LT ..pay him LT money to put on the right side...there's too much money invested on the line as it is..now if we're drafting in the 15-25 range..yeah do it provided he's the BPA on the board ..otherwise go that route 2/3rd round.. OT should be a priority only if we don't get in FA..which I doubt.. We should be targeting these positions this draft: RB/TE/S/OT/ILB/CB/WR..not in that order but those areas have to be looked at. WR may or may not be a need after we see what the rookies do..
Sam Young in round 2 or 3 would do nicely, he looks like a pretty good player. Jason Fox looked good opening game this season, wouldnt mind him either.
Round one, I still believe you have to look QB. Can't win in this without one, and we are without one.
Quote: McCoy might fit best in a 43..not sure yet....at this point the Browns even if they trade back need BPA..the infamous Ok vs Neb is coming up even in the draft..
You're probably right. I think that McCoy would be best in a 4-3, but I still think he'd be an absolute monster in a 3-4. He is an amazing penetrater, but he can hold his own against the run, and take on a double team.
And yeah, there's probably going to be a HUGE debate between McCoy and Suh. In a 4-3, I don't think there's a whole lot of doubt, though some disagree. In a 3-4, it is a little cloudier. Suh's type of play translates better to the 3-4, but McCoy is just such a dominant player that I think he could be All-Pro in any system.
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And here's where it gets cloudy..because although Mays doesn't make many plays..it won't mean he can't come in and tear up..we need a big hitter back there who isn't afraid to lower the boom on a ball carrier..Berry is more of a complete safety..so I don't think you can go wrong with either.. and totally disagree about cornback..
I hate the way our corners play..McDonald's..ERRRR McMuffin needs to be moved to the slot..sorry people he can't tackle wortha lick and gives too much cushion even after a catch is made in front of him..thats a NO-NO from a defensive point of view..I'll save that position for later because there's a lot of games to play and I have yet to see a lot of the corners out there.. One thing is clear...Browns have to go BPA(for the Browns) this draft..
You're right about Mays. You have to wonder how much of his lack of playmaking ability stems from the system he is in, and how much is from him. I tend to think it's the system, but it will still be a knock.
While Mays is the ultimate physical specimen, Berry is just a much more polished player. He could come in right now and be a shutdown cornerback. That's how good he is in coverage. He's like Ed Reed, but more aggressive and physical. I also think that Berry fits the Browns' needs better. We have two guys who are better up close to the line in Pool and Elam, but neither are as good in coverage. I'd also like to point out that Berry had 7 picks last year.
I tend to disagree on our corners, purely because I don't like drafting corners. I think we already have one very good corner in Wright, and with a good pass rush and safeties, McDonald could be pretty good as well. I just don't like taking corners in the first round, much less the top 10 or 5. Unless I see a guy who's a Nnamdi Asomugha, I have no interest.
Forget about the secondary..we need to build the front 7..we need beef up front to compliment the aging Rogers and some thumpers to go along with Jackson..
You're probably right. I think that McCoy would be best in a 4-3, but I still think he'd be an absolute monster in a 3-4. He is an amazing penetrater, but he can hold his own against the run, and take on a double team.
What I want in a DT/DE is that he fits..like Rubin did... I'm looking at someone to play end..but thats not the priority IMO..actually safety is more of one and I agree Berry appears to be the fit..now what I neglected to mention is Pool's weakness..concussions..that worries me a lot..which is why I mentioned Mays..being a hitter.he could easily replace either Pool/Elam..
I tend to disagree on our corners, purely because I don't like drafting corners
I do..I scout them vera vera hard..well I watch games a lot and I know a good corner when I see one.. I wasn't thinking of taking one on the first day depending again on BPA..but I always advocate getting a big corner in the draft ..and one who isn't a sissy when it comes to tackling someone..
Quote: QB and S..farthest from our biggest needs..if the draft were today my top 3 players would be OT Williams, DE McCoy, DT Cody..in that order..and since we would have the first pick..our OL just got better with the addition of Williams..
But I agree I miss that bum Shaffer..but I miss Tucker the most!
I listed the top 2 QB's because I figure by the end of this year you should have a good idea if Quinn can be the man or not.....and if you are picking top 3.....as was brought up....then that means he probably can not.
U realize a secondary is important to a 34? when U blitz , U need good solid DB's who can play on a island ..AND U need a solid SS who is a thumper and can play in the box and help stuff the run..U cannot just forget about the scondary.
St. Clair is a needy individual. Signing the wrong folks and positions. We need an adequate tackle with feet that move. Gravel in my driveway moves better. And we will start about every QB we have (been there, remember?) if we let him "practice, improve, develop, correct, whatever" while folks tee off on us. The OC needs to get a huge handle on this and his calls too. Seemed like Little Mo never left Sunday, and the overloads magnify his lousy play
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I understand your point but if the offense can't sustain a drive and the defense is constantly on the field they are going to wear down by the third quarter which have seen the last two weeks.
If we are drafting in the top 5, which we will be, then we need to fix the RT position with that pick. Not draft another QB who will get eaten alive behind an OL that can't block on the right side. And drafting a Safety that high is insane considering the best Safeties in the league were drafted in the mid to late first round.
Will adding Mays or the kid from Tennessee improve our defense? Hell yeah, but our biggest need on this team is the right side of the OL and a running game (which will hopefully improve with an upgraded OL). Hopefully we will be in position to get a top tier Safety in the first round when we are drafting in the late teens to early twenties! Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later...
No way we will draft a right tackle top 5, and we shouldn't. I'm an O-Line freak, but that doesn't make any sense. With how much money we have invested in the line, a top 5 tackle is beyond stupid, when they are going to play on the right side. I'm of the opinion that the most important line positions go: LT, C, LG, RT, RG. We have the three most important now, and a good free agent pick up or 2nd round pick will take care of the tackle. There is no need to overreact and take one way too high.
At this point, I think we need to look quarterback, tight end (not that high, obviously), outside linebacker, and safety.
I'd rank the needs as:
1. QB 2. OLB 3. S 4. Tight End
The only reason tight end is so low for me is because it isn't as important as the other positions. We need to be looking at Sam Bradford and Jevan Snead. Sergio Kindle is my favorite at OLB, and I would love to have Eric Berry. If Jermaine Gresham or Rob Gronkowski would fall to the second, they would both be very tempting.
I haven't been reviewing next years draft, but I am not sure any RT's are top 5 picks...it may have to be a 2nd rounder.
I don't mind reaching a bit..but 10-15 picks is a bit much...you have to take BPA at this point, with a 5 slot swing if you have the chance...a 2nd round RT is good enough at this point.
Right now a QB or Eric Berry seems like the pick.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
i don't follow college ball but is eric berry THAT good? i watched a few highlight videos but what i see is him sitting and the balls being thrown to him due to poor passing. saw a few nice hits but is he really an ed reed 2.0?
Quote: i don't follow college ball but is eric berry THAT good? i watched a few highlight videos but what i see is him sitting and the balls being thrown to him due to poor passing. saw a few nice hits but is he really an ed reed 2.0?
Eric Berry = Ed Reed 2.0, seriously you have to watch this kid play!
No doubt!
I've seen him play prior to this season and saw a highlight of the Florida game with him. Funny thing is we nicknamed some kid who came and played pick up B-ball and football games with us Eric Berry. He'd show up with some other guys who lived across the street. He wasn't real good. My friends were kind of a-holes sometimes. They'd screw with people and give them dumb nicknames that had no rhyme or reason. His name was Eric, but the last name was nothing close to Berry, don't even know where they got it from.
When I first saw him play, I immediately began focusing on him just because of the name.
Quote: i don't follow college ball but is eric berry THAT good? i watched a few highlight videos but what i see is him sitting and the balls being thrown to him due to poor passing. saw a few nice hits but is he really an ed reed 2.0?
ABSOLUTELY! Part of the reason why he reminds me of Ed Reed is because he's VERY dangerous with the ball in his hands. He's a threat to take it back for a TD every time he touches the ball.
Keep in mind this video only shows his highlights from 2007
Quote: I don't understand this line of thinking. What has Quinn done that makes people think he is the guy?
JMO, but Quin is still an unknown commodity.Anderson is a known commodity and he did have a decent year when the OL blocked.
Keeping those two factors into account we know for certain just how bad St. Clair is.
Should a RT be drafted in the first round? Maybe not,but we better get a RT in the 2nd round early b/c the inefficiency of the right side of the OL will scuttle this offense no matter who the QB is.
Quote: i don't follow college ball but is eric berry THAT good? i watched a few highlight videos but what i see is him sitting and the balls being thrown to him due to poor passing. saw a few nice hits but is he really an ed reed 2.0?
Yes....as simple as i can put it...he is that good.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Your list mirrors mine..almost..the only thing for me is we still lack that hammer @ ILB..I'm all for plugging up the running lanes..and a pounding safety and destroyer LB would do it..a RT can be had later.. Berry is looking vera vera high on my list but I would also say we'll need a RB..so that will factor in as well.. I see how you feel about a QB..but I still need the season to play out before I say that..and who knows what may happen around the league.. This organization has never handled the aquisition of a new QB logically at all...so if we have to go that route again...KoMan better get it right..
Someone was talking about Snead. For what its worth, last night didn't go to well for him. He's a junior, maybe he's best served staying in school. Now, if you want to talk RB's, Ol miss has a bunch of them- all young, but worth watching.
As for Bradford, are there any concerns with his arm strength?? He just seems to loft passes in, guess i'll have to pay more attention to him but right now i question his zip on the ball.
Full steam ahead on whatever we need to trade for a lights out tackle who is still under 35 and good caliber. Let St. Clair sell wieners and drinks to pay for it. If I was BQ, I would kick some in. That guy is a career killer, and we will need 4 QBs if he is allowed to be awful and the OC stays miserable.
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