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Half of the problems are the OC - Brain Daboll.
His play calling is predictable and just down right horrible.
Also, our WR's are just not that great.
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good to have somebody rooting for me. ill pump up the crowd at work today. woo-ha! 
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Dong.. Well Diam isn't here but I am..and I'll start by saying someone else who just left-hooked U got it right..U are a knee-jerk poster ..you got excited because DA did what he always does?
He's predictable just like U are.. that first INT was him but the others were classic DA...take shot close your eyes hope it doesn't get picked..thats what he is..while he might be a better option at this point , it's realitive..because he's not a quality starter..
I have said nothing about both QB's that I didn't say 2 years ago when I had my two page dragout with Pitdawg..and I don't need to PM you about anything..I can say what I need to in front of everyone and I'm certainly not worried..
what is with this need to bring up people who clearly do not want to post here?
that said, knee-jerk? are you freaking serious? classic attack dawg again, repeating what other people say. i've been called plenty of things but i'm sure most of the posters here would not call me knee-jerk. the one guy that did had nothing else on me and felt the need to fight someone else's battle in a petty way.
i get excited becuase the coaching staff did something that i felt was overdue, and that's with just 2.5 games into the season. THAT is how bad quinn's play was. when DA went in, hell yea i was excited and you can bet your ass that the rest of the team was too. that's why the rest of the team played harder, not by much but still harder. when derek anderson led the one drive that resulted in the field goal, the defense finally got to "rest." you know what that is right? i'll tell you what it isn't, a 6 play drive that fizzles in a couple minutes and the defense is right back out there. regardless of its impact in a physical nature, it has a huge one mentally and emotionally.
i don't memorize your posts but i am HIGHLY suspicious that you said anything negative on quinn. i'll leave that at that.
don't need to take it to a pm? i pm the people i respect. i had no intentions of sending you one. every time i start to feel a little sorry for you, for being harsh on you, you go ahead and remind me why i did it in the first place.
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i've been called plenty of things but i'm sure most of the posters here would not call me knee-jerk. Nawww, they'd call you something else.. 
THAT is how bad quinn's play was. when DA went in, hell yea i was excited and you can bet your ass that the rest of the team was too. that's why the rest of the team played harder, not by much but still harder. when derek anderson led the one drive that resulted in the field goal, the defense finally got to "rest."   I have to go the bathroom on that one.. i don't memorize your posts but i am HIGHLY suspicious that you said anything negative on quinn. i'll leave that at that.
U don't memorize much of anything even when you're shown whats logical and what isn't..I guess saying he sucked in week one wasn't negative  i pm the people i respect Guess 5 posters should suffice ..they can support you when you feel you're being hammered into the turf..
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U don't memorize much of anything even when you're shown whats logical and what isn't..I guess saying he sucked in week one wasn't negative
not when it's followed by all the excuses you made for him.
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I'm saying stick with Quinn... I'm saying re-do Anderson's contract and keep him as a backup incase Quinn gets hurt...
One of them has to go if the other is ever going to amount to anything... keeping them both is like getting married and moving into the house next to the woman you loved deeply before you met your wife..... she's NEVER going to be comfortable.
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I'm saying stick with Quinn... I'm saying re-do Anderson's contract and keep him as a backup incase Quinn gets hurt...
One of them has to go if the other is ever going to amount to anything... keeping them both is like getting married and moving into the house next to the woman you loved deeply before you met your wife..... she's NEVER going to be comfortable.
So, did you date her for 3 games, or a year and a half ?
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Am I the only one that still thinks Quinn will be a successful QB in the NFL?
No, you're not. I don't think I have ever publicly stated that Quinn will be a good QB in this league. I do know that what we are seeing now isn't because of a lack of talent. I think there is something else happening with him now that he needs to figure out before he can even attempt to be successful.
I believe he needs to sit and catch his breathe before it really takes him over. I could be wrong. Maybe fighting through this stuff is what he really needs? 
I am quite disappointed about how Quinn is being treated by the fans. I stuck up for DA while he was being attacked on here unmercifully. All of us ( there really was not that many) were lumped in a group by many for being DA Lovers.
Now the tables have turned. I think there are far more people on here unfairly bashing Quinn. i have no proof but i bet some are the same people who attacked people who stood up for DA. If Quinn starts at home and gets booed it will be a very sad day for Cleveland.
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I get the feeling that if Brady was a chick, he would be a high maintenance chick.
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i don't think quinn is being treated any differently by fans. i haven't spoken with many fans outside of this board recently but everything i read from comments on articles and the like suggest teh general fanbase is still very believing in quinn. they go as far as to blame anything first before him. people, like myself, are more vocal here no doubt whether right or wrong. it's magnified by the losing but when the production is just so bad after the hype, it's definitely frustrating.
if quinn were a 1st round pick and we hadn't heard about pedigree or the nfl-readiness, i don't think the reaction would be the same. it's frustration with the hype.
we all defended the guy in the first two games but, to be frank, there isn't anything worth defending. there was no aspect of his game after the snap that warranted much praise.
is next week at home? could get ugly.
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I'm saying stick with Quinn... I'm saying re-do Anderson's contract and keep him as a backup incase Quinn gets hurt...
You can't go another year with Anderson and Quinn. You just can't.
One is going one way or another. That's the only way it can be.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I am quite disappointed about how Quinn is being treated by the fans.
This is the price to be paid for undeserved adoration, belief, and praise.
*shrug* Look at it this way. If he's everything people thought he was, this adversity will make him stronger, and he'll be a better QB.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I am quite disappointed about how Quinn is being treated by the fans.
This is the price to be paid for undeserved adoration, belief, and praise.
*shrug* Look at it this way. If he's everything people thought he was, this adversity will make him stronger, and he'll be a better QB.
If he is, or turns out to be 'all that,' I could see where Anderson could be kept. But after all that's happened, I don't think the converse is true.
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I am quite disappointed about how Quinn is being treated by the fans.
I guess I'm more disappointed in the fans not for how they're treating Quinn but by how quickly they turned on him.
This entire summer, people were so mad that Quinn wasn't named the starter outright. People were so pro-Quinn. But he comes out against the Vikings and struggles. Almost instantly, there is a strong contingent wanting to bench him.
He struggles against Denver: voice to bench him grows stronger. Then the same from the Baltimore game.
So, it disappoints me that the Browns fans seemingly have no clue what they want. They want Quinn to start, but they refuse to live through the mistakes. They want DA to come in to replace Quinn, but they suddenly want him to be a completely different QB than he ever was. How can DA throw into coverage like that? How can DA take chances like that? However, they forget that he did that even in 2007.
People were so excited about Cribbs at WR. Now, after 3 games, it's the worst idea since the screen door on the submarine.
James Davis is the best thing since sliced bread. He struggles in his first 3 pro games, and people are skirting around the *bust* issue.
So, that's what disappoints me. Browns fans seem to want their cake and eat it, too. We want the "new" guys to come in, but we expect them to already be seasoned pros (though I do understand that argument when it comes to Quinn).
It just seems to me that we'd bring in a guy like Peyton Manning, and people would be so happy. The very first time he gets a delay of game penalty for calling all those audibles, people would start going crazy. "Just snap the ball!" "Bench Manning, bring in Sorgi!"
Now, maybe all this is just from the frustration of sucking for so long. Completely understandable. But it isn't like we're going to suddenly become a playoff contender with one draft pick or one FA signing. We have to *build* a team. And it just seems that Browns fans don't have the patience (and perhaps the knowledge) for that.
JMHO
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They want DA to come in to replace Quinn, but they suddenly want him to be a completely different QB than he ever was. How can DA throw into coverage like that? How can DA take chances like that? However, they forget that he did that even in 2007.
It's not that they forgot..they totally overlooked that.. they overlooked that he was the same way at OSU..well I doubt few in here ever saw him in college..thats what I mean by not knowing what they're seeing..the regression he had from week 7 onward..even the pro bowl should him up.. so now they and I can name them..want to feed every post that DA is this unfinished product that should be given a chance to run this offense and put all the worries behind..
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I guess I'm more disappointed in the fans not for how they're treating Quinn but by how quickly they turned on him.
I find it disappointing, but entirely understandable given how absolutely horrible his performances have been thus far, even if they aren't solely his fault (it's a QB - the successes are never all his, and neither are the failures). They, by far, exceed 'worst case scenario'.
What just adds fuel to the fire is that the problem appears completely systemic: the line, the WR's, the RB's, the QB's... the defence. NOTHING works. Hell, the water boy has probably even been forgetting the ice or to screw lids on things. The only way it could look any worse is if they all just stood still after every snap... which would be kinda nice, because then we'd at least know why we're sucking so terribly across the board.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I am quite disappointed about how Quinn is being treated by the fans.
I guess I'm more disappointed in the fans not for how they're treating Quinn but by how quickly they turned on him.
This entire summer, people were so mad that Quinn wasn't named the starter outright. People were so pro-Quinn. But he comes out against the Vikings and struggles. Almost instantly, there is a strong contingent wanting to bench him.
He struggles against Denver: voice to bench him grows stronger. Then the same from the Baltimore game.
So, it disappoints me that the Browns fans seemingly have no clue what they want. They want Quinn to start, but they refuse to live through the mistakes. They want DA to come in to replace Quinn, but they suddenly want him to be a completely different QB than he ever was. How can DA throw into coverage like that? How can DA take chances like that? However, they forget that he did that even in 2007.
People were so excited about Cribbs at WR. Now, after 3 games, it's the worst idea since the screen door on the submarine.
James Davis is the best thing since sliced bread. He struggles in his first 3 pro games, and people are skirting around the *bust* issue.
So, that's what disappoints me. Browns fans seem to want their cake and eat it, too. We want the "new" guys to come in, but we expect them to already be seasoned pros (though I do understand that argument when it comes to Quinn).
It just seems to me that we'd bring in a guy like Peyton Manning, and people would be so happy. The very first time he gets a delay of game penalty for calling all those audibles, people would start going crazy. "Just snap the ball!" "Bench Manning, bring in Sorgi!"
Now, maybe all this is just from the frustration of sucking for so long. Completely understandable. But it isn't like we're going to suddenly become a playoff contender with one draft pick or one FA signing. We have to *build* a team. And it just seems that Browns fans don't have the patience (and perhaps the knowledge) for that.
JMHO
Before long, we will have half the stadium booing no matter who we march out at QB.
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I don't think it's going to be "before long." I wouldn't be surprised if it happens during freaking warmups.
I am fully expecting it to be a very ugly scene on Sunday, both on the field and in the stands.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I don't think it's going to be "before long." I wouldn't be surprised if it happens during freaking warmups.
I am fully expecting it to be a very ugly scene on Sunday, both on the field and in the stands.
I wasn't really looking forward to this game, but now it adds some drama...it will be interesting to see how DA is received...probably booed...too bad.
Boo poor play...not the introduction. It means you have taken your disapproval of poor play to a personal level of simply disliking a person.
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They want DA to come in to replace Quinn, but they suddenly want him to be a completely different QB than he ever was. How can DA throw into coverage like that? How can DA take chances like that? However, they forget that he did that even in 2007.
It's not that they forgot..they totally overlooked that.. they overlooked that he was the same way at OSU..well I doubt few in here ever saw him in college..thats what I mean by not knowing what they're seeing..the regression he had from week 7 onward..even the pro bowl should him up.. so now they and I can name them..want to feed every post that DA is this unfinished product that should be given a chance to run this offense and put all the worries behind..
What is it about DA's skill set and mental makeup that you think would prevent him from improving on his deficiencies?
You have said you watched him in college. You began to form an opinion on him there. You watched him in the pros and further validated your opinion. But what is it about his deficiencies that makes you believe he can't improve?
Do you think it's because he's not smart enough?
Do you think it's because of his gunslinger mentality?
Do you think it's his work ethic or leadership abilities?
You have a very strong opinion that he is a finished product. Why?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Do you think it's because he's not smart enough?
Do you think it's because of his gunslinger mentality?
These two things make me feel he is a finished product..or very close to his ceiling..he hasn't improved enough on making sound decisions....Sunday just added to it..I speak of it more and more..his football IQ...he thinks he can force a ball (even though he said he shouldn't have thrown it..but thats after the fact)into a tight window, regardless if the guy is open..he has a problem reading the coverage but it's more of he thinks he just get a play out of nothing.
I'm telling U just like I responded to Toad ..a QB can be rusty..cold..but his instincts/brain have to run hot regardless..if nothing is there throw it away..on the play where he rolled out and got pick'd he had no chance to fit it in..he could have thrown it or run out of bounds.. U can make good decisions even if you're cold.
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] These two things make me feel he is a finished product..or very close to his ceiling..he hasn't improved enough on making sound decisions....Sunday just added to it..I speak of it more and more..his football IQ...he thinks he can force a ball (even though he said he shouldn't have thrown it..but thats after the fact)into a tight window, regardless if the guy is open..he has a problem reading the coverage but it's more of he thinks he just get a play out of nothing.
I'm telling U just like I responded to Toad ..a QB can be rusty..cold..but his instincts/brain have to run hot regardless..if nothing is there throw it away..on the play where he rolled out and got pick'd he had no chance to fit it in..he could have thrown it or run out of bounds.. U can make good decisions even if you're cold.
Okay, aside from "forcing it into a tight window", you just described Quinn.
You have made excused for quinn due to his lack of reps in pre season - why does he get the benefit of the doubt and not DA, who came in with NO notice?
Everything else you said describes quinn as well.
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Okay, aside from "forcing it into a tight window", you just described Quinn.
You have made excused for quinn due to his lack of reps in pre season - why does he get the benefit of the doubt and not DA, who came in with NO notice?
Everything else you said describes quinn as well.
DA has been evaluated over 3 seasons, 20+ games. Quinn has had 5 games, 3 this season.
While hes looked lost, confused and timid, you can in noway start making final judgments after 5 games. I know that you and so many others can't seem to get it, if people could just take off their glasses and objectively look at this.
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I don't make excuses for him..what U fail to see is that he didn't play this way before..hesitant to go downfield ..and once more.. if you knew how to evaluate a QB , you would know he is different than DA.
27+ NFL games is a lot better basis to critique a QB than 5..or do you get that?
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Okay, aside from "forcing it into a tight window", you just described Quinn.
You have made excused for quinn due to his lack of reps in pre season - why does he get the benefit of the doubt and not DA, who came in with NO notice?
Everything else you said describes quinn as well.
DA has been evaluated over 3 seasons, 20+ games. Quinn has had 5 games, 3 this season.
While hes looked lost, confused and timid, you can in noway start making final judgments after 5 games. I know that you and so many others can't seem to get it, if people could just take off their glasses and objectively look at this.
Interesting. How you put me on the DA side instantly. Says alot about your argument.......i.e. "anybody that disagrees is blinded".
Re check the thread, please, for any other posts from me.
I simply made a statement that the post I was referring to could also be said about Quinn. Go ahead and attack me if it makes you feel better.
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