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Should the Browns abolish the quarterback position?
By Doug Farrar
Going into Baltimore with the most anemic offense in the NFL, you knew the Browns were in danger of going 0-3 for the season. But even the most cynical Browns-watcher could not have expected the debacleization that occurred. Cleveland started with Brady Quinn(notes) throwing six completions in eight attempts for 34 yards (way to air it out!), no touchdowns and one interception. But with nothing going on, Eric Mangini decided to replace Quinn with Derek Anderson(notes), figuring it couldn't get any worse.
Wrong-o.
In one half of football. Anderson went 11-of-19 for 92 yards, no touchdowns, and THREE picks. He also took a sack in a rare Browns red zone play, when he ambled around, trying to avoid pressure, and fell down. Haloti Ngata(notes) thanked him for the free sack. Anderson was throwing pop flies into stacked coverage in a display of horribleness the likes of which you will rarely see. Baltimore destroyed Cleveland, 34-3. What are the Browns to do?
At this point, I think it's best to just put returner/receiver/former college quarterback Josh Cribbs behind center on every play. The Browns are at their most dynamic offensively with Cribbs in the shotgun, running their "Flash" package (their version of the Wildcat), and it isn't as if there's anyone qualified to throw Cribbs, or Braylon Edwards(notes), or anyone else, the ball. If the Browns hope to be competitive at all, they should scrap the traditional offense altogether and go option-read all the way. Or, they can alternate between two quarterback disasters in perpetuity, until the latest Belichick disciple is fired and they start this nightmare all over again.
Browns fans, you deserve better than this.
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Sep 27, 2009 4:21 pm EDT Should the Browns abolish the quarterback position? By Doug Farrar Going into Baltimore with the most anemic offense in the NFL, you knew the Browns were in danger of going 0-3 for the season. But even the most cynical Browns-watcher could not have expected the debacleization that occurred. Cleveland started with Brady Quinn(notes) throwing six completions in eight attempts for 34 yards (way to air it out!), no touchdowns and one interception. But with nothing going on, Eric Mangini decided to replace Quinn with Derek Anderson(notes), figuring it couldn't get any worse. Wrong-o. In one half of football. Anderson went 11-of-19 for 92 yards, no touchdowns, and THREE picks. He also took a sack in a rare Browns red zone play, when he ambled around, trying to avoid pressure, and fell down. Haloti Ngata(notes) thanked him for the free sack. Anderson was throwing pop flies into stacked coverage in a display of horribleness the likes of which you will rarely see. Baltimore destroyed Cleveland, 34-3. What are the Browns to do? At this point, I think it's best to just put returner/receiver/former college quarterback Josh Cribbs behind center on every play. The Browns are at their most dynamic offensively with Cribbs in the shotgun, running their "Flash" package (their version of the Wildcat), and it isn't as if there's anyone qualified to throw Cribbs, or Braylon Edwards(notes), or anyone else, the ball. Quote:
If the Browns hope to be competitive at all, they should scrap the traditional offense altogether and go option-read all the way.
Or, they can alternate between two quarterback disasters in perpetuity, until the latest Belichick disciple is fired and they start this nightmare all over again.
Browns fans, you deserve better than this.
OR..
Maybe we should just let the buckeyes sub in for us..
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We have a capable QB in Anderson.
I see no reason not to start him the rest of the season.
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No he doesn't.  It is utterly ridiculous that this fan base kicks a guy to the curb after he shows as much promise as DA has shown.
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And I find it ridiculous that Quinn is being Thrown under the bus..
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No he doesn't.
It is utterly ridiculous that this fan base kicks a guy to the curb after he shows as much promise as DA has shown.
yup,, your right,, DA shows promise that HE can throw 3 picks to BQ's 1.. 
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No he doesn't.
It is utterly ridiculous that this fan base kicks a guy to the curb after he shows as much promise as DA has shown.
And we find it utterly ridiculous that you seem to have that post stamped into your PCs clipboard and use it over and over.
I'm surprised you don't post your DA opinion in the middle of a thread about the best hamburger in town. 
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I thought this was a football board. You wanna add what it is that makes DA so bad, and PROVES that he cannot get any better.
How about address his first year as starter or second year?
How about you actually add to discussion.
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Hey im not saying Quinn is going to be the savior or the qb we need. All i want to see is a chance for him to develop with this team. Da had his chance 2007 was a fluke. not to mention it was one of the easiest schedules ive seen. This team lacks game changers and talent right now. Put in the rooks let them develop and maybe just maybe this team will have a chance eventually. But that wont happen we will draft another qb next year. And when he doesnt play like a football god we will be having the same discussion. What a joke. 
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Saying 2007 was a fluke is what you say, when you have nothing else to back up your argument.
We need to go with DA, and start building a team.
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Wow you have da on the brain. Could you tell me what he looked like in the pro bowl that one year? you know that one where he shouldnt have been there and the only reason he was there was because somone else didnt go. Even when he was surrounded by the best players in the nfl he sucked. How do you expect him to with this team? 
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Until you fix the REAL problem,, it DOESN'T matter who's the qb..
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We have a capable QB in Anderson.
I see no reason not to start him the rest of the season.
I don't know how you can see anything with your Anderson goggles on.
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Saying 2007 was a fluke is what you say, when you have nothing else to back up your argument.
We need to go with DA, and start building a team.
How about '08?
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Look both of our QB's suck. It's just a matter who sucks less that particular day. We will have a revolving QB under center each half or series in EVERY game from here on out. We play like a college team...so we should naturally have a college philosphy towards QB playing time. Do well, you stay in. Do poorly, you sit until the other guy stinks worse than you. Then you go back in. Heck, let's just keep both of them in. The defense won't know which QB to attempt to sack....that might be a good thing. 
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I'm just someone who has an ounce of football knowledge and thinks that DA gives us the best shot to win, and also gives us the most hope at the QB position.
I thought DA should have started the whole year last year. At the very least he is a capable QB. He has the stat line to show he is a good QB, and he has a winning record as well.
Quinn is capable at best. And he has done nothing to suggest he should succeed Anderson as the next Browns QB. It should be DA's job.
And if Mangini has a brain he will go with Anderson. But with his proneness to screwing things up--he will prolly stick with Quinn.
Quinn had like 34 yards passing in a whole half. Anderson passed for more yardage in one drive. He is the guy here in Cleveland and that is the way it should be.
Quinn should either be relegated to clipboard duty.
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I'm just someone who has an ounce of football knowledge and thinks that DA gives us the best shot to win, and also gives us the most hope at the QB position.
I thought DA should have started the whole year last year. At the very least he is a capable QB. He has the stat line to show he is a good QB, and he has a winning record as well.
Quinn is capable at best. And he has done nothing to suggest he should succeed Anderson as the next Browns QB. It should be DA's job.
And if Mangini has a brain he will go with Anderson. But with his proneness to screwing things up--he will prolly stick with Quinn.
Quinn had like 34 yards passing in a whole half. Anderson passed for more yardage in one drive. He is the guy here in Cleveland and that is the way it should be.
Quinn should either be relegated to clipboard duty.
DA also gives us the best shot to lose too. But you refuse to look at that side. You refuse to acknowledge anything bad that DA has done.
Wow DA threw for more yards than Quinn on 1 drive. What an accomplishment. How many points did the Browns score? How many picks did DA throw? How many yards did DA throw for after that 1 drive? That's what I thought. The picture doesn't get any better does it?
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I'm just someone who has an ounce of football knowledge and thinks that DA gives us the best shot to win, and also gives us the most hope at the QB position.
I thought DA should have started the whole year last year. At the very least he is a capable QB. He has the stat line to show he is a good QB, and he has a winning record as well.
Quinn is capable at best. And he has done nothing to suggest he should succeed Anderson as the next Browns QB. It should be DA's job.
And if Mangini has a brain he will go with Anderson. But with his proneness to screwing things up--he will prolly stick with Quinn.
Quinn had like 34 yards passing in a whole half. Anderson passed for more yardage in one drive. He is the guy here in Cleveland and that is the way it should be.
Quinn should either be relegated to clipboard duty.
DA also gives us the best shot to lose too. But you refuse to look at that side. You refuse to acknowledge anything bad that DA has done.
Wow DA threw for more yards than Quinn on 1 drive. What an accomplishment. How many points did the Browns score? How many picks did DA throw? How many yards did DA throw for after that 1 drive? That's what I thought. The picture doesn't get any better does it?
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OMG. Really?
You are really serious?
Look at DA's whole body of work. He is a VERY capable QB!!!!
Look at his FIRST YEAR as starter---how did that go?
We won, a lot.
He put up a stat line.
He was good.
Last year, he was decent, but plagued by bad play around him---and ultimately the organization fell apart.
You keep mentioning his three picks like they are the extent of his work in the league. But they are not. He had a good run as starter---probably the best QB performance in the last 6-7 years.
And you want to bench him for someone who can't even convert a 3rd down.
At least with DA in the game we converted 3rd downs.
We need to start him this week and I guarantee our offense doesn't look nearly as hopeless. From there we need to go with DA as starter.
He is the better choice.
How long can you put up with a QB who can't move the ball. DO you want to give it a year, how long do you give Quinn.
And amplifying that, how long do you go when he CANNOT even MOVE the offense.
If he cannot convert third downs, can't score points, and can't even move the team----then when do you pull the plug.
You are advocating going with the worst of our two QB's, and letting it ride. That is just plain dumb.
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I thought this was a football board. You wanna add what it is that makes DA so bad, and PROVES that he cannot get any better.
How about address his first year as starter or second year?
How about you actually add to discussion.
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We have a capable QB in Anderson.
I see no reason not to start him the rest of the season.
Because your first post really added to the discussion 
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After reading this article, and reading several posts from several topics on this board, I'll go ahead and say that this franchise has hit rock bottom.
- The national media is telling us to scrap the most important position in sports.
- By saying that Browns fans deserve better, the national media is telling us that they feel sorry for us.
It has never, never, been this bad.
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OMG. Really?
You are really serious?
Look at DA's whole body of work. He is a VERY capable QB!!!!
Look at his FIRST YEAR as starter---how did that go?
We won, a lot.
He put up a stat line.
He was good.
Last year, he was decent, but plagued by bad play around him---and ultimately the organization fell apart.
You keep mentioning his three picks like they are the extent of his work in the league. But they are not. He had a good run as starter---probably the best QB performance in the last 6-7 years.
And you want to bench him for someone who can't even convert a 3rd down.
At least with DA in the game we converted 3rd downs.
We need to start him this week and I guarantee our offense doesn't look nearly as hopeless. From there we need to go with DA as starter.
He is the better choice.
How long can you put up with a QB who can't move the ball. DO you want to give it a year, how long do you give Quinn.
And amplifying that, how long do you go when he CANNOT even MOVE the offense.
If he cannot convert third downs, can't score points, and can't even move the team----then when do you pull the plug.
You are advocating going with the worst of our two QB's, and letting it ride. That is just plain dumb.
I'm speechless at this point.
Are you and DA dating or something?
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Quinn had like 34 yards passing in a whole half. Anderson passed for more yardage in one drive. He is the guy here in Cleveland and that is the way it should be.
And DA also threw for as many INT's in 1/2 of a game as Quinn has in 2 1/2 games.. and you can say DA was down by a lot of points, but Quinn was in the same situation in those games as well..
A qb can throw for thousands of yards, but that is going to mean nothing if he keeps throwing interceptions.....
DA is as much of our savior as Quinn is..
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neither is a savior. quinn put our team in those situations. that's the difference. he couldn't stay on the field. couldn't convert 3rd downs. forced the defense to play more than they should, and the team gave up.
whether or not DA plays lights out, by simply completing passes, the offense is on the field longer than quinn, the running game wakes up, and the defense is on the side adjusting and resting. it's just that simple. it's not just about the passing game, it's about what's best for all the facets of our TEAM.
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DA is no pro bowler. I think we can ALL see that. At least he's a competent NFL quarterback though...that much Quinn can NOT say.
Are we going to the playoffs magically if DA becomes the starter? No.
Are we going to win HALF our games magically if DA becomes the starter? Maybe, but probably not either.
The problem is this. Our team is HORRIBLE. You don't win by playing conservative with a horrible team. Too many chances for mistakes on long drives that will surely happen. No, you mask being horrible by taking chances. You spread the field and go for broke. Sometimes you'll swing and miss (DA throws 3 picks in a half) but sometimes you'll hit it out of the park (DA throws for 400 yards and multiple scores). At least with DA there's a CHANCE that the 2nd part happens, and when it doesn't...who cares? Is anybody really upset that DA tried to air it out on Sunday, down 27, and threw 3 picks? I was just glad to see some semblance of an NFL offense for the first time in about 8 regular season games.
With Quinn, every week will be a repeat of 1-3. Slow starts, no rhythm, no passing game, no running game, lots of punts...slowly getting demolished 30-0 every game. All while the whole league laughs at us for being dumb enough to draft this kid and buying the media crap about him.
Please, for the love of God, let DA be the AVERAGE QB he is (half the time pro bowler, half the time terrible) and let's build this team the right way. Through the defense and the lines. Once we get all that in place....THEN we can worry about replacing DA with a "legit" QB. Not until then.
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DA is no pro bowler. I think we can ALL see that. At least he's a competent NFL quarterback though...that much Quinn can NOT say.
Are we going to the playoffs magically if DA becomes the starter? No.
Are we going to win HALF our games magically if DA becomes the starter? Maybe, but probably not either.
The problem is this. Our team is HORRIBLE. You don't win by playing conservative with a horrible team. Too many chances for mistakes on long drives that will surely happen. No, you mask being horrible by taking chances. You spread the field and go for broke. Sometimes you'll swing and miss (DA throws 3 picks in a half) but sometimes you'll hit it out of the park (DA throws for 400 yards and multiple scores). At least with DA there's a CHANCE that the 2nd part happens, and when it doesn't...who cares? Is anybody really upset that DA tried to air it out on Sunday, down 27, and threw 3 picks? I was just glad to see some semblance of an NFL offense for the first time in about 8 regular season games.
With Quinn, every week will be a repeat of 1-3. Slow starts, no rhythm, no passing game, no running game, lots of punts...slowly getting demolished 30-0 every game. All while the whole league laughs at us for being dumb enough to draft this kid and buying the media crap about him.
Please, for the love of God, let DA be the AVERAGE QB he is (half the time pro bowler, half the time terrible) and let's build this team the right way. Through the defense and the lines. Once we get all that in place....THEN we can worry about replacing DA with a "legit" QB. Not until then.
If you want the offense to open up and spread out. There IS no reason the same can't be done with Quinn. The receivers are not getting open like they should. The only difference is DA is a chance taker. It doesn't mean that the receivers are magicly open for DA. DA's just not afraid of chucking the ball up.
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DA also gives us the best shot to lose too.
What? So what does Quinn give us the best shot to do? Forfeit? Draw? How can DA be our best shot to win and our best shot to lose?
I swear to God, there is some pretty stupid crap flying around here. It's quite obvious that DA, who is much further along as a QB than Quinn is, gives us a better chance to win, thus a WORSE chance to lose.
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you seriously need to reconsider some of the stuff you've been posting. you only have so many chances for a first impression.
when there are so many articles and words FROM MANGINI that the receivers are open and quinn wasn't getting them the ball, you at least know the receivers were open.
seriously. everyone knows you're reaching to be a quinn apologist and it's not working.
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DA is no pro bowler. I think we can ALL see that. At least he's a competent NFL quarterback though...that much Quinn can NOT say.
Are we going to the playoffs magically if DA becomes the starter? No.
Are we going to win HALF our games magically if DA becomes the starter? Maybe, but probably not either.
The problem is this. Our team is HORRIBLE. You don't win by playing conservative with a horrible team. Too many chances for mistakes on long drives that will surely happen. No, you mask being horrible by taking chances. You spread the field and go for broke. Sometimes you'll swing and miss (DA throws 3 picks in a half) but sometimes you'll hit it out of the park (DA throws for 400 yards and multiple scores). At least with DA there's a CHANCE that the 2nd part happens, and when it doesn't...who cares? Is anybody really upset that DA tried to air it out on Sunday, down 27, and threw 3 picks? I was just glad to see some semblance of an NFL offense for the first time in about 8 regular season games.
With Quinn, every week will be a repeat of 1-3. Slow starts, no rhythm, no passing game, no running game, lots of punts...slowly getting demolished 30-0 every game. All while the whole league laughs at us for being dumb enough to draft this kid and buying the media crap about him.
Please, for the love of God, let DA be the AVERAGE QB he is (half the time pro bowler, half the time terrible) and let's build this team the right way. Through the defense and the lines. Once we get all that in place....THEN we can worry about replacing DA with a "legit" QB. Not until then.
If you want the offense to open up and spread out. There IS no reason the same can't be done with Quinn. The receivers are not getting open like they should. The only difference is DA is a chance taker. It doesn't mean that the receivers are magicly open for DA. DA's just not afraid of chucking the ball up.
So what is your plan to open the offense but take no chances?
you had a good run Hank.
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If you want the offense to open up and spread out. There IS no reason the same can't be done with Quinn.
Well, except for the fact that he CAN'T / WON'T throw the ball to open receivers passed about 5 yards down field.
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The receivers are not getting open like they should. The only difference is DA is a chance taker. It doesn't mean that the receivers are magicly open for DA. DA's just not afraid of chucking the ball up.
Hmm...ok, well they WERE open when DA was on the field. Proof? Well, he completed passes beyond 10 yards down field with the SAME WR/TE/RB against the SAME defense running the SAME plays from the SAME OC. No, it's certainly not "magic". It's called a competent QB. (Again..not great...I said competent)
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I'm just someone who has an ounce of football knowledge and thinks that DA gives us the best shot to win
DA also gives us the best shot to lose too.
What? So what does Quinn give us the best shot to do? Forfeit? Draw? How can DA be our best shot to win and our best shot to lose?
I swear to God, there is some pretty stupid crap flying around here. It's quite obvious that DA, who is much further along as a QB than Quinn is, gives us a better chance to win, thus a WORSE chance to lose.
Do you only watch DA highlight reels? Seriously.
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