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you seriously need to reconsider some of the stuff you've been posting. you only have so many chances for a first impression.
when there are so many articles and words FROM MANGINI that the receivers are open and quinn wasn't getting them the ball, you at least know the receivers were open.
seriously. everyone knows you're reaching to be a quinn apologist and it's not working.
Now there's the pot calling the kettle black.
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you seriously need to reconsider some of the stuff you've been posting. you only have so many chances for a first impression.
when there are so many articles and words FROM MANGINI that the receivers are open and quinn wasn't getting them the ball, you at least know the receivers were open.
seriously. everyone knows you're reaching to be a quinn apologist and it's not working.
Now there's the pot calling the kettle black.
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Tyler your wasting your time with these folks...you peeing in the wind EVERY one of these folks hate Derek Anderson...they hate him wanna know why they hate him? Because of the Cincinatti game in 2007...that was all Da fault  You know, where Chud and RAC had this brilliant idea to pass the ball all day in swirling winds, when ya know, last time we played them, Jamal Lewis had over 235 yard rushing..... Its still DA fault though, He goes into Pittsburgh the week before, Throws 4...yes 4 TD passes in a single game, and the defense blows the game, but thats DA fault, you know? They complained about his short passes that game the kid threw 4 freaking Td passes for god sake DEREK ANDERSON DID HIS FREAKING PART the rest of the team failed him...bottom line...the rest of the team, the defense fialed to hold on to a 24 point lead...so their went our shot to thew playoffs you see Tyler, these folks can't take their DA hate colored glasses off, they only see what they want too the fact of the matter is our D against the Steelers blew our chances at the playoffs, not Derek Anderson furthermore, our failure to run the ballwith Jamal Lewis cost us the Bengals game..Chud outsmarted himself with 100% passing in swirling winds like he did the bottom line is Da had us in the playoffs, the Defense blew it against the Steelers...we went into the Steelers house, our QB threw 4 TD in that game, that is enough for ANY other team in the league to win that football game...our D failed to step up to the task...squadered it away but thats DA's fault right guys? just can't let it go.....Da is the ONLY reason this team has had to cheer at all since we came back to the league, and fans hate him...how ironic really.. your wasting your time Cleveland Fans would run Dan Marino out of town here, just because he threw an INT.....
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Yeah kinda like how this talentless joke of a team losing right now is all Quinns fault. what a joke. Da has a big arm but a little brain. Just like all his fans..
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Tyler seriously it's a losing battle. There's a few that can see DA's potential and understand he needs grooming but the majority don't want to believe it because he's not perfect. There's a reason why peoples only responses are DA sucks and defend that by pointing out his interceptions or saying he's so inaccurate.
I'm still waiting for someone to step up and say why he can't be our answer and state just exactly how he didn't deserve to have the job hands down last year without worrying about Brady Christ.
Yeah for all that great football knowledge supposedly floating around here the majority seem to think its more beneficial to go draft another QB rather than focus our high draft picks on the positions that we really need before we can ever hope for this team to be succeful.
My opinion is stick with Anderson till the team is ready to contend and see if Anderson grows with the team. If he doesn't well then we are only a QB away and that's when rookies are succesful. See Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Sanchez. Team was solid and rookie QB just had to protect the ball while he learned. Instant success for all three QB's (well so far so good for Sanchez).
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I'm just someone who has an ounce of football knowledge and thinks that DA gives us the best shot to win
DA also gives us the best shot to lose too.
What? So what does Quinn give us the best shot to do? Forfeit? Draw? How can DA be our best shot to win and our best shot to lose?
I swear to God, there is some pretty stupid crap flying around here. It's quite obvious that DA, who is much further along as a QB than Quinn is, gives us a better chance to win, thus a WORSE chance to lose.
Do you only watch DA highlight reels? Seriously.
Well I guess that depends.
I've been called a Quinn fan and a DA fan. And we are only 3 weeks in. This is fantastic!
Once again, how are you going to spread the field with Quinn when Quinn refused to take chances?
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What Knight was saying was that DA did his part to get the Browns to the playoffs and the Defense blew it. In other words DA did enough to win.
Now you tell me Brownsfan since you have such a big brain like that gutless QB Quinn what exactly Quinn has done to be part of the soluion instead of part of the problem?
So lets recap DA was a huuuge part of the success and Quinn has done what so far to make this team look even respectable?
Come on Ron Jaworski break it down for all us bird brains.
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Tyler seriously it's a losing battle. There's a few that can see DA's potential and understand he needs grooming but the majority don't want to believe it because he's not perfect. There's a reason why peoples only responses are DA sucks and defend that by pointing out his interceptions or saying he's so inaccurate.
I'm still waiting for someone to step up and say why he can't be our answer and state just exactly how he didn't deserve to have the job hands down last year without worrying about Brady Christ.
Yeah for all that great football knowledge supposedly floating around here the majority seem to think its more beneficial to go draft another QB rather than focus our high draft picks on the positions that we really need before we can ever hope for this team to be succeful.
My opinion is stick with Anderson till the team is ready to contend and see if Anderson grows with the team. If he doesn't well then we are only a QB away and that's when rookies are succesful. See Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Sanchez. Team was solid and rookie QB just had to protect the ball while he learned. Instant success for all three QB's (well so far so good for Sanchez).
He was given the job last season without Quinn playing into the picture. There was no QB competition in the '08 preseason (one of the few). He did not make the most out of that situation, and, as a result, he was benched.
Just like Quinn got benched for not performing this season.
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I did a big long writeup last season trying to figure out what to think about the 2007 season. Basically, over the past 25 seasons, DA is in the company of Favre (and only Favre though in 2 of his more poor seasons) when it comes to throwing as many TDs and INTs as he did in 2007. That is his upside...if he can get better WRs and improve his accuracy, he could potentially become a Favre type player.
However, the odds are more in favor of him ending up like Scott Mitchell and Erik Kramer, who like DA burst onto the scene with a great year (though they both did it in consecutive years) before defenses figured out their weaknesses and they fell off a cliff. The main worry is that defenses have already figured out DA, which means he's already found his cliff (the '08 season and the 2nd half of the Ravens game).
Quinn is a completely different situation...he has not looked good and deserved his benching....However, if the coaching staff truly believes he is the better option, then there is a chance that they just need to beat out of him the college-QB stuff (WRs aren't going to be wide-open....adjustments on the fly that you have to trust the WR to maek the right read instead of waiting for the read to happen....et cetera). If it is purely a decision making problem that is fueling his other issues (read: accuracy) then there is hope for him as well.
The problem at this point is that niether looks to be all that good of an option.....if we go with Quinn and he continues to look just as bad, then he'll be benched for DA anyway in a couple weeks. if we go with DA and he continues to be "bad DA" throwing bad picks then he'll be benched at some point for Quinn.
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There IS no reason the same can't be done with Quinn.
I don't share Tyler's enthusiasm for Derek...but at this juncture, anyone who doesn't see that Quinn isn't half the QB Anderson is is smoking some better stuff than Tyler.
DA is not a good NFL QB...and Quinn isn't half the QB DA is.
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What Knight was saying was that DA did his part to get the Browns to the playoffs and the Defense blew it. In other words DA kept did enough to win.
I absolutely hate this argument... DA had a highlight reel season in '07, he also contributed greatly to other teams defensive highlight reels. If you go back and look at it game by game, I think you might come to some of the same conclusions I came too.. maybe, maybe not.
DA benefitted greatly from Mr. Josh Cribbs. He routinely either scored or put this team in scoring position all by himself.
DA routinely turned the ball over, giving other teams great scoring opportunities, thus making our defense look bad.
DA routinely dug the team into holes with poor starts to games only to open it up to try to come back from the deficit he helped to create.. sometimes he was successful, sometimes he was not but a lot of the times we were behind, it was partially DAs fault. Most DA fans remember the exciting comeback attempt, most forget how we got behind in the first place.
DA had the best season of any Browns QB this decade, I don't deny that... but to say he did enough and others let the team down is just FLAT OUT WRONG. A lot of the good that DA gets credit for was handed to him by others.. and a lot of the bad that the others get blamed for, was caused by DA himself.
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Quite frankly, I'd like to see both QB's play this weekend. Instead of taking the media's word that receivers were open or taking Mangini's word for it (if he told me that an envelope he gave me had 50 bucks in it, I'd open it immediately and count it)
We will have OUR fannies in the seats this weekend. WE will see whats open and whats not versus the playcalling. I'm scratching my head as much as anyone else here and I want to see for myself with my OWN wide angle lenses that I call my eyes whats going on. As much as you guys like to call each other nincompoops, I'm interested in your takes when we can see the plays for ourselves and not just what TV shows.
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First of all I am by no means saying Quinn is a savior and is better than DA. All i want is for him to get the time that DA has had to develop and get accustomed to this talentless team. I bet he can throw a pick just as good as DA. Anderson had his chance to show what he had and he did. He should be nothing more than a back up. He had shown that he lacks the smarts at the position to run the team, be a leader and know not when to throw the ball. Quinn is being thrown under the bus because the guy is nervous? id rather have a guy that is concerned about sucking than a guy that just throws the ball in the air. turnovers lose games. But wait your right screw Quinn just another bust after 6 starts. Imagine if the colts gave up on Manning after his terrible first year or the giants on Eli. i hate losing just as much as the next guy but honestly what do you expect we draft a guy and when hes not god by his 6th start want to crucify the man.
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I must say those are some of the most disingenious statements I have ever heard someone state about Anderson and the 2007 season
it is absolute BS that Anderson costs us the Steelers game and the playoffs
when your Qb throws 4 TD passes, that is enough to win a game...the QB MORE than did his part...
our Defense blew that game.....period!
no ands, ifs, or buts, the D blew the game...quit blaming it on Anderson
your D job is to "protect a lead" Anderson got us a lead...our D blew the lead for us...its clear, cut and dry man
go back to 2008, again Da had us leads in two consecutive weeks, and two consecutive weeks our D blew the lead and cost us the game......
does anyone remember Big Ben running for 50+ yards for a TD...that is ALL on the defense...there is no way you can blame Derek Anderson for the defensive collapse against Pittsbrugh in 2007(and costing us the playoffs)...no way....that is BS, and it is absurd to even insinuate it...that is grabbing at straws....
Anderson sure he made some mistakes in 2007, all Qb do, but Anderson did his part in 2007 to get us into the playoffs and our pathetic defense couldn't hang on
how can you say with a straight face we had a good defense in 2007...my god we gave up almost 50 points to the Bengals in a single game, and our D was ranked like 30th or 31st in the entire league
Da was the only reason we won the games we won in the first place, then again Edwards and Winslow did in fact rally around Da too...but Da was the one getting them both the ball, they can't throw the ball to themselves.....
oh well it doesn't matter, Browns fans in typical fasion will run a good Qb out of town here
Quinn was supposed to be "soooooooooooo" much better than Da...well you have seen how that has turned out
history isn't on your side folks, you better thing twice before running Da out of here, or the next Rayan Leaf will be coming to town
i mean afterall, why not?
if the guy isn't Peyton Manning, he is a stiff anyways
bring on the next stiff, why not?
no QB is going to measure up here in the cleveland anyways
if Da 29 TD isn't enough, then I feel sorry for the next guy that comes in here after the draft...he will be labeled a stiff and gone just like all the rest
keep it up folks, running a perfectly good Qb that you can actually win with DA right out of town
The chargers did the same thing with Brees....I bet they would love to have him back, he is twice the Qb Rivers is.,...
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Just wait until the Ravens embarrass us all over again on Monday night. The whole country will get to see it.
No ones going to watch that, except the Cleveland and Baltimore markets.
Check that. There maybe some fantasy guys that have players going against us. But that's it.
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This is the exact reason I said that DA needed to be traded for whatever you could get this off season....a 7th round pick...take it.
Its not because DA is not a solid QB...he is ok...but as long as he is here...sitting behind Quinn....Quinn would be playing scared...knowing the hook is coming any second....and there it was.
Quinn was 45-74(60.8%) for 400 yards....yards per attempt 5.4 1 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 26 QB rating 62.9
Anderson 11-19(57.9%) for 92 yards...yards per attempt 4.8 0 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 22 QB rating 30.9
IMO if DA was "THE MAN" he would have simply won the job in camp...he did not...
Now you have both QB's watching out for the defense, as well as the hook....DA is pressing ....Quinn is keeping things way to safe.....and here it is going on week 4..and there still is no idea who the QB will be week to week.
IMO you ride Quinn as far as he will take you....and then see if he looks like a better player in December vs Sept......If you don't...then you are in the same boat next year wondering if he has got it or not.
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This is the exact reason I said that DA needed to be traded for whatever you could get this off season....a 7th round pick...take it.
Its not because DA is not a solid QB...he is ok...but as long as he is here...sitting behind Quinn....Quinn would be playing scared...knowing the hook is coming any second....and there it was.
Quinn was 45-74(60.8%) for 400 yards....yards per attempt 5.4 1 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 26 QB rating 62.9
Anderson 11-19(57.9%) for 92 yards...yards per attempt 4.8 0 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 22 QB rating 30.9
IMO if DA was "THE MAN" he would have simply won the job in camp...he did not...
Now you have both QB's watching out for the defense, as well as the hook....DA is pressing ....Quinn is keeping things way to safe.....and here it is going on week 4..and there still is no idea who the QB will be week to week.
IMO you ride Quinn as far as he will take you....and then see if he looks like a better player in December vs Sept......If you don't...then you are in the same boat next year wondering if he has got it or not.
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This is the exact reason I said that DA needed to be traded for whatever you could get this off season....a 7th round pick...take it.
Its not because DA is not a solid QB...he is ok...but as long as he is here...sitting behind Quinn....Quinn would be playing scared...knowing the hook is coming any second....and there it was.
Quinn was 45-74(60.8%) for 400 yards....yards per attempt 5.4 1 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 26 QB rating 62.9
Anderson 11-19(57.9%) for 92 yards...yards per attempt 4.8 0 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 22 QB rating 30.9
IMO if DA was "THE MAN" he would have simply won the job in camp...he did not...
Now you have both QB's watching out for the defense, as well as the hook....DA is pressing ....Quinn is keeping things way to safe.....and here it is going on week 4..and there still is no idea who the QB will be week to week.
IMO you ride Quinn as far as he will take you....and then see if he looks like a better player in December vs Sept......If you don't...then you are in the same boat next year wondering if he has got it or not.
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Your preaching to the choir.
a choir that wants DA in and think he will savage this season... which i have my doubts... he couldn't win the job in preseason and throwing as many INTs in 1 half as quinn has in 5 halfs is not winning him the job either... I don't fear DA... I fear DA.
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How can you judge Da on a game where he came in down by 20+ points.....he hadn't played in weeks, had no practice at all with the starting grouop, and came in the game with a huge hole to dig out of?
DA INTS sunday "were not" the results of bad decision making, they were the result of Da "trying to make a play downfield"
We could not run the ball, we didn't have time to, the Ravens were playing "only the pass" they were not playing the run at all when they had such a lead
The Deep route to Edwards that got picked off, that was Da having faith in Edwards that he would catch the ball and Da layed it up there to give Braylon a chance to make a play
All those INTS was DA trying to take the team on his shoulders and chucking the ball downfield to make a play.....atleast the guy has guts
Mark my words, if Da starts against the Bengals we will have a good chance of winning the game, the offense seemed to rally around DA, even though they knew the game was out of reach
DA proved the WR were in fact getting open
you can't put Quinn back in there now, when your coach tells you you need to throw down field and you won't, he gave Quinn plenty of chances to thrown down field and the kid simply won't for whatever reason he won't
I am not saying Da is going to win 9 games, he could, but the chances of that are 50-50 the team would to take a whole new turn around, BUT
DA will win a few games, and the the team will be much more competitive.....that I am sure of....
39 yards passing in a half is not acceptable
do you realize we would probably be 2-1 right now if not for Quinn...if quinn would have thrown a pass farther than 10 yards earlier than garbage time, we had a winnable game against the Vikes, and Quinn refusing to throw the ball downfield is a problem and showed against Denver and Baltimore......
Had Da started the Ravens game, we may still have lost, but I don't think the game would have been nearly as lopsided as it was....DA had them beat last year and our D blew a lead late...Da can compete with such teams, but asking Da to dig us out of a 20+ point hole is being unrealistic
You realize only guys like Frank Reich, Joe Montana, and john elway only done that a handful of times, they never had to dig themselves out of a lead that bad...its unrealistic
The Ravens sat back in a two deep zone, dropped their LB deep and played the pass because they knew we didn't have time to run the ball
Da did what he could, it didn't work out....it don't take much to realize DA gives us the best chance to win.
in football you "play to win the game, you play to win the game" you don't play for draft picks, if you do that, you might as well fold up the franchise and quit...thats the way of the loser...you play to win...DA gives us the best chance to win, so you play him
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How can you judge Da on a game where he came in down by 20+ points.....he hadn't played in weeks, had no practice at all with the starting grouop, and came in the game with a huge hole to dig out of?
excuses excuses excuses... when people supporting Quinn use excuses you lambast them..
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DA INTS sunday "were not" the results of bad decision making, they were the result of Da "trying to make a play downfield"
convenient excuse... "trying to make a play downfield" is a bad decision when you are throwing into triple coverage.. You can try to make plays downfield all day, but it doesn't help when these big plays are more big plays for the other team..
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in football you "play to win the game, you play to win the game" you don't play for draft picks, if you do that, you might as well fold up the franchise and quit...thats the way of the loser...you play to win...DA gives us the best chance to win, so you play him
have we become this accustomed to losing?
I'm done arguing about this now.. everyone was hoping Quinn would fail.. and this started in week 1... and now everyone thinks because he was benched that DA has a better chance at winning.. but the problem is that how is DA going to help when our defense cannot tackle.. our wr's beyond BE are not helping... and fans are hoping that their qb will fail because they wanted someone else... Da simply cannot be the answer.. he couldnt win the job in Preseason and he didnt take the chance to win it yesterday...
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i am not making excuses for DA, "you" go out there under center down 20+ points and try to throw the ball donwfield and make something happen...its totally unfair to Derek Anderson...totally
furthermore, I did not want Quinn to fail...i gain "nothing" from Quinn failing...I had my hopes up all offseason was hoping the kid would play well..i wasn't expecting him to be good,
I will be honest with you, I expect Brady Quinn to struggle in a few areas:
1. holding the ball too long
2. Throwing into coverage
3. pocket presense
I fully expected Quinn to struggle in those 3 areas, and I "could live" with that...young Qb do that
But Quinn is struggling in many areas...he refuses to thrown downfield, he has happy feet,he is playing scared, the kids mind is just not in it...he is struggling in areas he should not be struggling in
If Quinn was only struggling in the 3 areas listed above, I would have no problem keeping the kid in there and letting him grow, but Quinn's problems have far less to do with the problems above
the kid has no confidence throwing the ball past 10 yards, and most of his passes are 2 yard checkdowns....34 yards passing in 2 qaurters is not acceptable....the kid is struggling in the fundamentals of being a QB
i am more dissapointed, then bashing Quinn...i figured Quinn would struggle in those 3 areas, and thrown a good many picks because of it...its to be expected, and i could live with that
But Quinn doesn't even look like an nfl qb for crying out loud, and that speaks volumes about the young man...its sad really.
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I must say those are some of the most disingenious statements I have ever heard someone state about Anderson and the 2007 season
it is absolute BS that Anderson costs us the Steelers game and the playoffs
when your Qb throws 4 TD passes, that is enough to win a game...the QB MORE than did his part...
our Defense blew that game.....period!
See, this is exactly what I was talking about in my post about DA.. my post that you called "disingenuous"... DA did enough by throwing for 3 TDs and getting us a lead and everybody else let us down... DA did it all... whoopty do.
Let me refresh your memory a little... DA had a great opening drive for a TD.. our second drive was THREE YARDS because Josh Cribbs (refer to previous disingenuous post) ran the kickoff back 90 yards to the 3... but DA converted the TD pass so DA GETS ALL THE CREDIT.
In the second quarter Pool picks off a pass and hands the ball to DA on the 18.. he completes an 18 yard drive with a TD.. but nobody helped him... DA GETS ALL THE CREDIT.
And that was the end of DAs game.. you state he threw 4 TD passes, he did not, he threw 3, the other TD was by Josh Cribbs also.. (refer to previous disingenuous post)
So 14 of DA's points come off 21 yards of offense set up by Josh Cribbs and the defense (refer to previous disingenuous post)
So let's recap the 21-9 lead "DA got us" in the first half... a 3 yard TD drive set up by Cribbs and an 18 yard TD drive set up by the defense.. oh and the defense held the Steelers to 9 points...
So it is your contention that the defense should have held a 12 point lead (21-9) for the entire second half against a team that averaged 25 ppg throughout the season and that DAs job was done.. essentially that is what you told me.
That must be what you are telling me because DA failed to pick up a first down in the second half until the last freakin' drive of the game... You want to blame the defense?
The defense held the Steelers to 3 FGs in the first half, the defense forced punts on the Steelers first 2 drives of the second half.... DA meanwhile went 3 and out on our first 3 drives of the second half.. well the 3rd drive was 1 play and out because Lewis fumbled and our sucky defense gave up its first TD of the game late in the 3rd quarter on a 38 yard field...
Then DA went 3 and out in our next 3 possessions as well.. You keeping up? That's SIX possessions without a first down to start the second half.. DA during this stretch was 3 of 12 for 11 yards (in SIX possessions.. that makes Brady Quinns first half against the Ravens look downright Montana-esque)... by then the defense was sucking wind.. that happens to a defense when your offense goes 3 and out 6 times in a row (or so I've heard by those who bash Brady Quinn)...
The only reason.. THE ONLY REASON we still had a chance to tie that game at the end was because Josh Cribbs returned yet another kickoff, this time for a TD... (refer to previous disingenuous post)
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does anyone remember Big Ben running for 50+ yards for a TD...that is ALL on the defense...there is no way you can blame Derek Anderson for the defensive collapse against Pittsbrugh in 2007(and costing us the playoffs)...
Yes I can.. TOP in the second half was 22 minutes for Pit, 8 minutes for us because DA sucked up the place so bad it wasn't funny. Get a freakin' first down, give the defense a minute to rest and maybe they could catch lumbering Ben Roethlisburger.. evidently that is too much to ask.. for a simple first down. From the time he HELPED get us a 21-9 lead he had 6 possessions before we were behind and he had 11 yards passing and no first downs...
So you can stroke DA all you want over how he did enough to win the Steelers game... he didn't. He might as well have not even come out of the tunnel after halftime. Our offense would have done more to protect that lead if they had taken a knee 3 times in every possession, at least that would have run more game clock than throwing incompletion after incompletion..
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Regardless of how you quantify it.....he is 100000x better than what we've got working right now.
And given that was his first season---he DESERVES at least three or 4 seasons as a starter.
His second year was a campaign marred with injuries and organizational fall-out---DA deserves to be the leader of this team way more than BQ deserves anything.
He is the better QB and I hope to god, that 3 weeks into the season Mangini rethinks his decision and does the right thing.
Put in DA and stick with him.
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Derden..seriously dude..stop arguing that DA is good..cause he isn't..he craps down his pants when it's crunch time..He's Spergion Wynn all over again..
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No...you are wrong.
100% wrong.
He should be our starter, and I hope Mangini makes the right decision this time.
I thought he should have been our starter all last year----just like a thought he should be our starter this year.
He is the better choice.
Its unbelievable that fans can't see this.
He brought us the most stability and success at the QB position in years and people couldn't wait to get rid of him----for Quinn.
And now, we are 0-3 with Quinn. With an offense that is HORRENDOUS.
Go with DA and move on.
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Only in Cleveland where we root for the QB who gives us ZERO chance to win the game.
Great fans we have here.
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LOL..you keep referencing to the 2007 to backup your opinion of Anderson. It's funny actually. So many things went right that season it's ridiculous..Injuries weren't a problem. We had an OL that for the most part was one of the best in the league that season. We had a running game. We had Joe J. and his sure hands running over the middle making first down catches. We had Braylon Edwards making big plays with occasional dropped passes. We had a defense that actually got some rest during games. Derek Anderson has a strong arm. That is it..identical to Spergion Wynn..
Personally I think Quinn should be given the opportunity to play out the season. But you know what, I hope Mangini does name Anderson the starter so you can see him for what he is without the performances of a supporting cast he had in 2007.
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Only in Cleveland where we root for the QB who gives us ZERO chance to win the game.
Great fans we have here.
I root for the Browns, not sure who you root for.
You think DA is better.. I got that 200 posts ago.
So answer me this then.. how did Quinn beat out DA if DA is so much better? Is it some kind of conspiracy that EM had to expose BQ so he could then move on? Did he feel some obligation to the fans? I mean seriously.. how did BQ beat him out.. .and while you're at it, how did Frye beat him out as well?
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LOL..how about rooting for whoever is on the field..that is what I do..even though I never believed in Anderson, I never rooted against him.
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LOL..how about rooting for whoever is on the field..that is what I do..even though I never believed in Anderson, I never rooted against him.
Exactly.. DA could be on this team 3 years from now, playing like he played on Sunday and some people would still be harkening back to 2007...
If he starts, I'll root for him.... I really, really, REALLY just want the QB competition to go away.. its been every year for 8 years... nobody wants somebody to step up and take command of the job more than me... If it's DA, I'm fine with that... but aside from some flashes in 2007, he hasn't done anything to show me he's the long term guy to do it.
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It's funny how all fans who don't think Anderson is the answer are considered "Quinn-bots"..if neither of them is the answer bring someone else in..QB is not the biggest problem on this current team..neither QB is going to succeed without a capable OL, RB or WR's..
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This is the exact reason I said that DA needed to be traded for whatever you could get this off season....a 7th round pick...take it.
Its not because DA is not a solid QB...he is ok...but as long as he is here...sitting behind Quinn....Quinn would be playing scared...knowing the hook is coming any second....and there it was.
Quinn was 45-74(60.8%) for 400 yards....yards per attempt 5.4 1 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 26 QB rating 62.9
Anderson 11-19(57.9%) for 92 yards...yards per attempt 4.8 0 TD / 3 INT..with a long of 22 QB rating 30.9
IMO if DA was "THE MAN" he would have simply won the job in camp...he did not...
Now you have both QB's watching out for the defense, as well as the hook....DA is pressing ....Quinn is keeping things way to safe.....and here it is going on week 4..and there still is no idea who the QB will be week to week.
IMO you ride Quinn as far as he will take you....and then see if he looks like a better player in December vs Sept......If you don't...then you are in the same boat next year wondering if he has got it or not.
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a choir that wants DA in and think he will savage this season... which i have my doubts... he couldn't win the job in preseason and throwing as many INTs in 1 half as quinn has in 5 halfs is not winning him the job either... I don't fear DA... I fear DA.
I'm not preaching that DA will salvage the season. Hell I'm not sure if Quinn can. I just want to be very sure if Quinn can play through this adversity.
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Frye beat him out as an incumbent and DA wasn't really in the picture at all. Sure he played like 2 games the season before but we were committed to Chuck.
But once Frye played the way he did in Pitt, we were willing to look the other way.
I can't explain it exactly, I wasn't there---but I think DA stayed prepared got the opportunity and ran with it.
This year is much more difficult to explain. I personally think that the way we split up reps in the preseason was pretty stupid. It seemed like we mixed it up too much w/o letting either guy get a good solid half of work.
I think Quinn convinced a lot of folks he is something he is not. And given what we invested in him, I am sure that that factored into the decision.
That said, with Quinn performing how he has---I think Mangini has ample justification to pull him.
I believe DA should have been starter anyways b/c he has the experience and has shown he can lead a pro team.
Part of me thinks that Mangini threw Quinn into the fire---you're supposed to be ready---you look alright in preseason---lets go.
But with a lack of production that is downright absurd, I don't see how EM can stick with him.
We aren't that bad of a team---we are simply lacking production from the QB position---its that simple.
DA can do that. He showed that in one drive against Baltimore. He CAn do it.....give him a chance to start next week and if he moves the team consistently---then I think that thats all she wrote for Quinn.
Frye beat DA in camp cuz we were committed to him, and we weren't interested in starting someone new---imo I don't think a team ever LIKES having to start fresh at the QB position. You usually want to stick with your guy until its apparent he can't get it done.
It became apparent in ONE HALF of football for Charlie. He had his one season, or one and a half, and we moved on.
This year EM had to roll with Quinn. We were supposedly committed to him since mid last year---and he didn't play too bad in his two or three starts (whatever it was).
But IMO, DA should never had been benched. He needs more time---and when you play like he did in 2007, or in 2008 against the Giants----you need to see if that doesn't develop into more.
Quinn has had an opportunity and has done little to suggest he is better than DA.
DA has performed consistently better than Quinn over a longer period of time. He has shown more ability, more promise, and more longevity in the QB position than Frye or Quinn.
If that seems unfair to Quinn---then tough break kid. We have a guy that does your job better than you. And with what little opportunity you had--you failed to prove that you had what it takes.
Opportunities aren't guaranteed in this world so you have got to make the most of them. DA did that two years ago, and flourished. He even had some decent games last year---and he deserves the nod this year.
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i am not making excuses for DA, "you" go out there under center down 20+ points and try to throw the ball donwfield and make something happen...its totally unfair to Derek Anderson...totally
furthermore, I did not want Quinn to fail...i gain "nothing" from Quinn failing...I had my hopes up all offseason was hoping the kid would play well..i wasn't expecting him to be good,
I will be honest with you, I expect Brady Quinn to struggle in a few areas:
1. holding the ball too long
2. Throwing into coverage
3. pocket presense
I fully expected Quinn to struggle in those 3 areas, and I "could live" with that...young Qb do that
But Quinn is struggling in many areas...he refuses to thrown downfield, he has happy feet,he is playing scared, the kids mind is just not in it...he is struggling in areas he should not be struggling in
If Quinn was only struggling in the 3 areas listed above, I would have no problem keeping the kid in there and letting him grow, but Quinn's problems have far less to do with the problems above
the kid has no confidence throwing the ball past 10 yards, and most of his passes are 2 yard checkdowns....34 yards passing in 2 qaurters is not acceptable....the kid is struggling in the fundamentals of being a QB
i am more dissapointed, then bashing Quinn...i figured Quinn would struggle in those 3 areas, and thrown a good many picks because of it...its to be expected, and i could live with that
But Quinn doesn't even look like an nfl qb for crying out loud, and that speaks volumes about the young man...its sad really.
DA was trying to force plays that weren't there. Whether he was just trying to make plays down field doesn't matter. They were high risk throws regardless of the situation. You can't make up a 27 point deficit on one drive, or one play down field. You have to take what the defense is giving you. DA was only helping the Ravens D by taking the big risk route.
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At any rate, I am pretty sure you will have plenty of time to evaluate DA this coming week. Cuz I really see no reason why Mangini woud stick with Quinn. DA ain;t gonna throw 3-6 int's a game---its just not in the cards. It may happen--he might throw an int. But not 3-6 a game. Here's to seeing him get the nod on sunday. If there is a god. 
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Quinn is having the exact same growing pains as Tim Couch..why? Because the OL can't protect him and the running game is weak.
I agree with you on the run game. Total crap. But, the OL has done a good enough job on pass protection for the most part. Your going to have some break downs from time to time. We were facing 2 of the best DL's in the NFL. One of the biggest problems is Quinn holding the ball too long. You can't do that and expect the OL to hold up. But yes, Quinn is acting a lot like Couch was.
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I think Quinn convinced a lot of folks he is something he is not. And given what we invested in him, I am sure that that factored into the decision.
"We" really don't have that much invested in him..his contract is filled with playing incentives..
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He showed that in one drive against Baltimore. He CAn do it.....give him a chance to start next week and if he moves the team consistently---then I think that thats all she wrote for Quinn.
Which drive are you referring to? The one where he converted a 3rd down? lol
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This year EM had to roll with Quinn. We were supposedly committed to him since mid last year---and he didn't play too bad in his two or three starts (whatever it was).
What makes you think EM had to roll with Quinn? Hell his own draft picks are riding the pine..too funny..
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DA has performed consistently better than Quinn over a longer period of time. He has shown more ability, more promise, and more longevity in the QB position than Frye or Quinn.
If that seems unfair to Quinn---then tough break kid. We have a guy that does your job better than you. And with what little opportunity you had--you failed to prove that you had what it takes.
Opportunities aren't guaranteed in this world so you have got to make the most of them. DA did that two years ago, and flourished. He even had some decent games last year---and he deserves the nod this year.
flourished? really? yeah 3 INT''s versus 1 is better..
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