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Only in Cleveland where we root for the QB who gives us ZERO chance to win the game.
Great fans we have here.
Only in Cleveland where we have fans that root for a QB to fail so their favorite QB can play.
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DA did that two years ago, and flourished.
Yea he had more than 3 int's that year too.
But he also was one of the BEST qb's this franchise has EVER seen.
And people wanted him traded after that year to make way for BQ----what a joke.
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But he also was one of the BEST qb's this franchise has EVER seen.
Wow, now you are comparing him to Otto Graham?? WOW!!
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And people wanted him traded after that year to make way for BQ----what a joke.
That's because most of those people realized what the Browns really were..a team with a lot of holes and Anderson was at his highest value..we coulda raked in atleast a 1st round draft pick for him..at the minimum..now he's worth an 8th round pick..
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Statistically he had one of the best seasons a Brown QB has ever had.
Like it or not.
You guys absolutely kill me with your opinions on QB's.
its laughable.
I can't stress it enough how important it is to move on from this mess and move on with DA at the helm.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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Frye beat him out as an incumbent and DA wasn't really in the picture at all. Sure he played like 2 games the season before but we were committed to Chuck.
But once Frye played the way he did in Pitt, we were willing to look the other way.
I can't explain it exactly, I wasn't there---but I think DA stayed prepared got the opportunity and ran with it.
This year is much more difficult to explain. I personally think that the way we split up reps in the preseason was pretty stupid. It seemed like we mixed it up too much w/o letting either guy get a good solid half of work.
I think Quinn convinced a lot of folks he is something he is not. And given what we invested in him, I am sure that that factored into the decision.
That said, with Quinn performing how he has---I think Mangini has ample justification to pull him.
I believe DA should have been starter anyways b/c he has the experience and has shown he can lead a pro team.
Part of me thinks that Mangini threw Quinn into the fire---you're supposed to be ready---you look alright in preseason---lets go.
But with a lack of production that is downright absurd, I don't see how EM can stick with him.
We aren't that bad of a team---we are simply lacking production from the QB position---its that simple.
DA can do that. He showed that in one drive against Baltimore. He CAn do it.....give him a chance to start next week and if he moves the team consistently---then I think that thats all she wrote for Quinn.
Frye beat DA in camp cuz we were committed to him, and we weren't interested in starting someone new---imo I don't think a team ever LIKES having to start fresh at the QB position. You usually want to stick with your guy until its apparent he can't get it done.
It became apparent in ONE HALF of football for Charlie. He had his one season, or one and a half, and we moved on.
This year EM had to roll with Quinn. We were supposedly committed to him since mid last year---and he didn't play too bad in his two or three starts (whatever it was).
But IMO, DA should never had been benched. He needs more time---and when you play like he did in 2007, or in 2008 against the Giants----you need to see if that doesn't develop into more.
Quinn has had an opportunity and has done little to suggest he is better than DA.
DA has performed consistently better than Quinn over a longer period of time. He has shown more ability, more promise, and more longevity in the QB position than Frye or Quinn.
If that seems unfair to Quinn---then tough break kid. We have a guy that does your job better than you. And with what little opportunity you had--you failed to prove that you had what it takes.
Opportunities aren't guaranteed in this world so you have got to make the most of them. DA did that two years ago, and flourished. He even had some decent games last year---and he deserves the nod this year.
You don't think Quinn should get at least the same shot that Charlie Frye got? How can you justify that?
What was the reason why we even drafted Quinn? I'll help you out there. Because DA didn't prove to anyone he could hold the job. He has never been a consistant QB. probably never will. You can go all the way back to his college days. He's a gunslinger. He takes way too many risks with the ball. Jeff George was like that. Put up decent enough numbers. But, never really won anything.
Your agenda is DA. Period. Your not even giving any other ideas a listen.
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My agenda is what is best for the franchise, and Quinn ain't it.
I am comfortable with DA as QB---and have been for years.
Brady birds have always peeved me off.
DA is good enough to lead this team.
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At any rate, I am pretty sure you will have plenty of time to evaluate DA this coming week.
Cuz I really see no reason why Mangini woud stick with Quinn.
DA ain;t gonna throw 3-6 int's a game---its just not in the cards. It may happen--he might throw an int. But not 3-6 a game.
Here's to seeing him get the nod on sunday.
If there is a god. 
Ok we'll see. I do not want to hear one freakin' excuse from you.
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My agenda is what is best for the franchise, and Quinn ain't it.
I am comfortable with DA as QB---and have been for years.
Years?? How many YEARS? 1? LMFAO!
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Brady birds have always peeved me off.
That's how I feel about the fans who are riding on DA's scroooottuuuummm!
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DA is good enough to lead this team.
Yeah..I agree..just short of the playoffs on a better team than what we currently have..
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Ok we'll see. I do not want to hear one freakin' excuse from you.
But you will my friend..it will be the same excuses we are making for Quinn to remain the starter..no running game..the line sucks..etc etc etc
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But he also was one of the BEST qb's this franchise has EVER seen.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Seriously. Best ever in franchise history? You better go back and look at the history of the Browns and rethink what you just said.
BTW. This franchise didn't start in '99. There were Cleveland Browns before that. Brian Sipe was a better QB than DA could ever hope to be. And that's just 1 example.
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Statistically he had one of the best seasons a Brown QB has ever had.
Like it or not.
You guys absolutely kill me with your opinions on QB's.
its laughable.
I can't stress it enough how important it is to move on from this mess and move on with DA at the helm.
Making dumb statements like this is just unbelievable.
Brian Sipe was MVP of the league in 1980. When has DA ever won MVP?
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My agenda is what is best for the franchise, and Quinn ain't it.
I am comfortable with DA as QB---and have been for years.
Brady birds have always peeved me off.
DA is good enough to lead this team.
Brady birds?
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Statistically he had one of the best seasons a Brown QB has ever had.
Like it or not.
You guys absolutely kill me with your opinions on QB's.
its laughable.
I can't stress it enough how important it is to move on from this mess and move on with DA at the helm.
Making dumb statements like this is just unbelievable.
Brian Sipe was MVP of the league in 1980. When has DA ever won MVP?
Which "dumb" statement are you referring to? The one about DA statistically having one of the best seasons of a Browns QB ever? Google it. Its true.
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My agenda is what is best for the franchise, and Quinn ain't it.
I am comfortable with DA as QB---and have been for years.
Brady birds have always peeved me off.
DA is good enough to lead this team.
Brady birds?
LOL!
Calling people Brady Birds, couldn't that be considered name calling?
But seriously, how is DA one of the best QB's the Browns have had? DA wouldn't even be able to carry Kosar's jockstraps or even Sipes(the same can be said of Quinn)... and I have doubts either will be able to do anything this season as sad as it may sound, but that is only because the team is playing like a pile of goo..
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Statistically he had one of the best seasons a Brown QB has ever had.
Like it or not.
You guys absolutely kill me with your opinions on QB's.
its laughable.
I can't stress it enough how important it is to move on from this mess and move on with DA at the helm.
Making dumb statements like this is just unbelievable.
Brian Sipe was MVP of the league in 1980. When has DA ever won MVP?
Which "dumb" statement are you referring to? The one about DA statistically having one of the best seasons of a Browns QB ever? Google it. Its true.
The dumb statement he made before he edited his post. He originally said the best QB the franchise has ever had.
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Statistically he had one of the best seasons a Brown QB has ever had.
Like it or not.
You guys absolutely kill me with your opinions on QB's.
its laughable.
I can't stress it enough how important it is to move on from this mess and move on with DA at the helm.
Making dumb statements like this is just unbelievable.
Brian Sipe was MVP of the league in 1980. When has DA ever won MVP?
Which "dumb" statement are you referring to? The one about DA statistically having one of the best seasons of a Browns QB ever? Google it. Its true.
The dumb statement he made before he edited his post. He originally said the best QB the franchise has ever had.
Ahh - I think DA is the best QB on our roster right now, but even I would start Sipe next Sunday if we can get a contract done in time.
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Which "dumb" statement are you referring to? The one about DA statistically having one of the best seasons of a Browns QB ever? Google it. Its true.
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The dumb statement he made before he edited his post. He originally said the best QB the franchise has ever had.
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Ahh - I think DA is the best QB on our roster right now, but even I would start Sipe next Sunday if we can get a contract done in time.
It's not true about him having the best season in franchise history either. Besides Brian Sipe in 1980. Bernie Kosar had better years in 1991 and 1987. In 1991 the Browns even went 6-10.
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I dunno why people are fighting so much about our qb quagmire. THEY BOTH SUCK!!! Now get along children.  
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NRTU, just commenting at the basic title of this thread, in which the key word is EMBARASSMENT...
Hate to say it, but we look like the WORST team in the NFL. Detroit will do more than beat us if we are playing like this offensively when we meet, they will destroy us. The only game we would still have a chance in would be Kansas City and maybe Oakland. The others look like fatalities. We look just awful. If you think this team is any better than "terrible" than you are an over-optimistic, delusional freak.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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It's not true about him having the best season in franchise history either. Besides Brian Sipe in 1980. Bernie Kosar had better years in 1991 and 1987. In 1991 the Browns even went 6-10.
That's another debate. Bernie only played in 12 games in '87 and like you noted we were 6-10 in '91. I'll put DA of '07 in the Top 5 and better than anyone we've seen in almost 20 years.
Bernie of '87 - 3033 yards / 22 TD / 9 INT / 95 Rating / 8-4 Record
Bernie of '91 - 3487 yards / 18 TD / 9 INT / 88 Rating / 6-10 Record
DA of '07 - 3787 yards / 29 TD / 19 INT / 83 Rating / 10-5 Record
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/single-season-passing.htm
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I agree with the writer..I would play Cribbs.
If we actually had him throwing the ball as well, we would score points.
It is the way the NFL is headed, so we might as well be one of the leaders.
This standing in the pocket to see a sack, pick or lame ass throw is old.
Let's move the ball, and Cribbs at qb is the way to do it. Next year, draft Tebow and we have a heck of a 1-2 punch..line them up next to each other and rip off 1st down after 1st down.
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Sure he played like 2 games the season before but we were committed to Chuck.
How committed can you be if you are willing to yank a guy at halftime of the first game of the year and trade him on Monday?
That's like saying you are committed to your wife and then the first time she burns the meatloaf you take her out back and shoot her.
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DA can do that. He showed that in one drive against Baltimore.
Quinn actually had more success in the second half against the Vikings than DA did against the Ravens...
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DA has performed consistently better than Quinn over a longer period of time.
DA has always been painfully inconsistent.... that's why he can't land and keep the job in the first place. Through his 3 games last year and this preseason Quinn was less flashy but more consistent.. that, IMO, is why he won the job. I have no idea what is going on in his head right now but he's playing scared... DA came in with absolutely nothing to lose on Sunday and threw the ball around... but if he gets the nod this Sunday, my guess is you are not going to see the gunslinger that you are hoping to see. You are going to see dink and dunk Anderson who is also afraid to make a mistake because he realizes that a pass or two like he threw against the Ravens will land him right back on the bench...
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Quinn got a gift against Denver...what did he do with it?
You can cite Cribbs all you want, DA turned those field positions into points
As for the D, yes they should have held on to that lead...its their job....
As for complaining about the D being tired on Ben's 50 yard run....it was a defensive struggle of a game...your D has to step up and tackle the guy for crying out loud
I will continue to say it...Defense has been the #1 problem why this team can't win....
look at the Ravens back in 200, Jamal Lewis was their offense, they didn't score very many points, but that Ravens Defense held on to leads it got
yes I have seen the Steelers hold on to a 9 point lead against the Colts and other high powered teams many times
THAT IS YOUR DEFENSE JOB TO HOLD ON TO A LEAD
how about the 13 point lead they blew against Baltimore?
both times, the team blew two poession leads...the fact of the matter is, its the Defenses job to get themselves off the field, and they have failed to do that on numerous occassions
I am not going to rehash this argument any farther, I know Da is an above average NFL QB...he may not be in the class of Manning or Brees, but he is good enough to win with and he is capable and serviceable
What we have seen of Quinn on the other hand...extremely disappointing...Tim Couch looked better than this as a rookie on an expansion team...
maybe we should just trade both of them, because this kind of dissent is tearing us fans apart....
both sides have legitimate arguments, but I am beginning to think we should just trade them both at the end of the year so this nonsense will stop, regardless of whos right and whos wrong..
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Regardless of who's right and who's wrong..
That's the whole problem here, people just want to be the "see-I was right,...Hahaha" guy,...being wrong about Quinn doesn't mean everyone else is "right" about Anderson.
What is good for the Browns is what we all want. Getting there is out of our control.
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IMO you ride Quinn as far as he will take you....and then see if he looks like a better player in December vs Sept......If you don't...then you are in the same boat next year wondering if he has got it or not.
Here it is folks... from someone who isn't a homer for either QB, and echoed by someone who isn't a homer for either QB.
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Regardless of who's right and who's wrong..
That's the whole problem here, people just want to be the "see-I was right,...Hahaha" guy,...being wrong about Quinn doesn't mean everyone else is "right" about Anderson.
What is good for the Browns is what we all want. Getting there is out of our control.
exactly. one qb failing or succeeding has no bearing on the other. we all want the same thing. i wanted quinn to succeed as much as the next guy, because it would've meant we had the position locked down for years to come. if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
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No...you are wrong.
100% wrong.
He should be our starter, and I hope Mangini makes the right decision this time.
Wow, I never saw it that way....
Good point!
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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When it comes down to it, I think we are wasting a lot of time on what is not even one of the myriad real issues on this team.
Either one of these guys can be a successful QB. They have both played successfully in this league (yes, in limited opportunities, but they have both had good games in the past). I would take either one of these guys when the other problems are fixed and run with them. We are not going to get the next Peyton Manning or John Elway or whatever. You can't plan for picking up a star QB. Not every team has one and not every team needs one. You need a guy that can manage the game and not turn it over when he has the team around him to support him. If I was on the coaching staff and the decision was up to me, I pick the guy that fits the system better based on his style of play and run with him. Then, I start trying to fix the issues that are impeding his ability to be successful.
So, forgetting who the QB is, I start trying to find a legit #2 receiver. Whether they are on the roster or not right now is irrelevant. Find them in a trade, start having tryouts for guys on the street, or struggle through this current season and find them in FA or the draft. Hopefully, for that position, we have someone wearing brown and orange already. It ain't Cribbs and I think they are playing him so they can justify giving him a bigger contract and save face after the embarrassment around that this past offseason. I think him being at the #2 spot is largely political.
Find a RT. You are probably looking off the roster in this case, either with a veteran pickup to keep the spot warm until FA/draft or making a trade of some kind.
We need Womack healthy. I am not sure of his status, but that shores up the RG spot until we can upgrade. We upgrade here for the future in next year's draft.
We desperately need a feature RB. Can Davis be that guy? Maybe, maybe not. Give him the rock when you can shore up the right side of the line. Then, consider that position early next year in FA/draft. The minute we have a solid RB that is averaging 5 yards and is durable (Harrison is not the answer here, although, I think he is a valuable change of pace - use him more than Romeo did, but not 20 carries a game - find the balance), the defense gets better. And the pressure lightens on whoever is the QB.
I won't go into the defense because I think that they get a lot of help when the offense improves and they get some confidence from not being on the field all day and feeling like no matter what they do, the offense will biff it anyhow. We saw that they can play aggressively and creatively in the Minny game first half. Just put them in a position to do their job and not try to make up for a horrible offense. Sure, we could use a talented safety and maybe a top-tier LB, but I don't think this D is far away from being adequate. They even appeared to be developing some identity and swagger in week 1.
At any rate, I think we have to take the focus off the QB. If we fix the other things, I think we have two guys with adequate skill sets to be successful players with a team around them. The rest of the offense is what is wrong with our QBs.
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