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No, I haven't fallen all the way off of my rocker.
As Deepthreat just reminded me, Jason Campbell is a free agent after this season.
At the risk of drawing verbal tongue-lashings from Rishuz and Otto, Jason Campbell was a QB I wanted, but we settled for Frye instead. 
Tooting my own horn here, I DIDN'T want:
Couch, Frye, Anderson, or Quinn
While I DID want:
McNabb, Garcia, Rodgers, and Campbell.
So..........As many of you will remember, Snyder went HARD after Cutler. That puts Campbell in a very bad situation.
As I've told many around here, Campbell was a guy I always thought would be a good (but perhaps not great) QB who would take time to develop. A look at his numbers and progressions show that he continues to get better despite working under a head coach that looks overmatched.
Campbell:
2005: Sat on the bench and didn't play as a rookie
2006: Started 7 games, 53%, 1200 yards, 10 TD's 6 INT's, 76.5 rating
2007: Started 13 games, 60%, 2700 yards, 12 TD's 11 INT's, 77.6 rating
2008: Started 16 games, 62.3%, 3245 yards, 13 TD's, 6 INT's, 84.3 rating
2009: Started 3 games so far, 67.6%, 793 yards, 3 TD's, 2 INT's, 93.6 rating
While it's a long-shot, we MAY have the chance to correct a Phil Savage mistake and get a QB that knows what he's doing.
Is it too quick to give up on Quinn? Absolutely. What about Anderson? Campbell doesn't have the cannon that Anderson has, but he's FAR less prone to turnovers.
Keep an eye on Campbell as things play out in Washington. Snyder is prone to making snap-decisions that aren't the wisest, and I still feel that Campbell is going to be a good QB in this league.
He'd look damned good in Brown and Orange if Quinn can't figure it out............
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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 just when i thought we had all the types of qb threads we could possibly have on this board by week 3, you go and do this. 
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Sex is fun but orgies can be funner............might as well make it a 3-way QB discussion! 
Maybe this'll break the cycle of Quinn v. Anderson..........
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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First of all, I in no way am pleased with the Browns QB situation. Secondly, the numbers you show for Campbell are head and shoulders above what we have now.
That being said, I just don't see Campbell as the type of QB to take a team to the promised land. He just seems "adequate" to me, and while that's an upgrade, I don't think it's enough. Then again, what other options are out there? Remains to be seen.
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I'd also like to point out the obvious, which may not be that obvious to some. If we would get Campbell, that would not only shore up the quarterback position, but it would allow us to use our very high draft pick on another need, and go BPA. I can honestly say I'd rather have Jason Campbell and a top prospect (say Eric Berry, Gerald McCoy, or Trent Williams) than one lone quarterback like Sam Bradford.
It's sad that we are talking about this already, but I must admit, it has me a little excited.
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I agree with you, Jason Campbell and a top prospect at a position other than QB is a lot more appealing to me than drafting any QB in the top 5 next year.
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This is the avenue I would go..vet FA..not a rookie..I don't like the QB's coming out..Campbell was a guy I liked at Auburn not to mention their entire Oline and backs.. I was looking at safety first...not a QB..plus we don't time to develop another rookie.
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If we would get Campbell, that would not only shore up the quarterback position, but it would allow us to use our very high draft pick on another need, and go BPA.
DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!
We have a winner.
I knew you'd be the first to see that. 
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I agree with you, Jason Campbell and a top prospect at a position other than QB is a lot more appealing to me than drafting any QB in the top 5 next year.
Given the choice of Campbell plus a top 5 pick on another spot or taking a QB in a top 5 spot, I'd go with Campbell here also. I still don't see him as anything more than adequate, but to be able to plug a starter in with a top 5 pick that's not a QB is something worth considering.
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Bulger is about to undergo surgery for a torn shoulder and will be lost for a year.
No thanks.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Marc Bulger
No, Chad Pennington.
Hey, if we are going to get a QB with shoulder problems, we may as well get one better than Bulger.
you had a good run Hank.
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Jason Campbell is a free agent after this season
So is Kellen Clemmons. Being a Jet, he's the only free agent QB Mangini will have ever even heard of. 
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Bulger is about to undergo surgery for a torn shoulder and will be lost for a year.
No thanks.
Same thing was said about Brees in '06.
Dunno what's wrong with Bulger...been a big fan of his since he took over for Warner in '03. Stuck on a bad team with no wideouts currently and the worst line in the league.
Accurate, good decision maker.
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I want a healthy QB..not take a chance on a injured player..Cleveland rarely does well bringing guys coming off injuries.
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I will say this...
Campbell somewhat impresses me. I think he has the tools but has yet to prove it on a team with talent around him...I don't think the Skins are bad talent-wise.
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j/c,...This is not a bad idea.
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If it's determined that none of the QB's coming out in the draft are elite talents then I would be in favor of adding a Jason Campbell or Marc Bulger type and sign a veteran to go along with him and blowing up the the whole Quinn and Anderson debate. Then of course we use the 1st pick on a stud on the defensive side.
However if there is a QB that is considered elite then I feel you have to take him. I don't believe Jason Campbell is a championship caliber QB.
Either way we go, a guy like Jason Campbell can help this team whether as a starter or someone with experience to help with a young gun.
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If we would get Campbell, that would not only shore up the quarterback position, but it would allow us to use our very high draft pick on another need, and go BPA.
DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!
We have a winner.
I knew you'd be the first to see that.
Yea.. Like the RB position uh ?
Just pick up some 2nd tier free agent or someone in the latter rounds ?
We don't need to waste a high pick on a skill position like QB, RB or WR...?
Same old crap that works once in a blue moon !
This team needs GAME CHANGERS.. How much of the lousy running game and pathetic defense can you guys blame on the right side of our Oline ?
Yea... lets get Campbell cheap so he can "manage" the game and trade down again so we can get a right tackle at 22. In another 5 years of getting "decent" players we may get to 8-8.
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Certainly an interesting idea. But what are the odds that (1) Washington doesn't re-sign Campbell (especially if Zorn is fired); and (2) him wanting to come to Cleveland?
Nothing wrong with speculation, but I don't necessarily see it happening.
JMHO
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I agree. We need a playmaker on offense. Period. I would like to see Campbell here, as well.
But, then I'd want Dez Bryant in the 1st.
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I rather go that route than a rookie..the Browns don't know how to draft a QB, and seriously I'm not enamoured with this bunch coming out ..I'm leery of QB's who play in gimmicky schemes..guys who work from a pro-set are usually ready to go..
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when I heard that Synder wanted quinn for campbell last offseason, I was all about it. I'd take campbell in a heartbeat. i don't think they'll let him go, though.
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Certainly an interesting idea. But what are the odds that (1) Washington doesn't re-sign Campbell (especially if Zorn is fired); and (2) him wanting to come to Cleveland?
On the first point, Campbell will NOT want to sign with Washington because of the Cutler fiasco. Besides, Snyder will want to make a big splash with a top-5 rookie QB.
On the second point, that is an issue worth considering. As a free agent, he could go to any number of teams with an open starting QB spot. One way to make sure he wants to come to Cleveland is to get him in uniform and confident with the staff. Is a trade possible? Neither team is going anywhere this season. Why not send Quinn to the Redskins and get Campbell in return?
Just thinking... Besides, if you are going to tempt me with a gift 8 months before I can open it, I am going to do everything in my power to open it today. 
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The odds of the Skins letting him leave are excellent. They went after Cutler and Sanchez hard this offseason and Snyder is less than enamored with him.
As for him wanting to go to Cleveland: The Price is ALWAYS Right.
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j/c I figured if I went through all of next year's free agent QBs, I'd find someone that looks better than Campbell. For the most part they are either no good or too old. Or both. . . Charlie Batch John Beck Kyle Boller Mark Brunell David Carr Brodie Croyle Daunte Culpepper A.J. Feeley Jeff Garcia Bruce Gradkowski (restricted  ) Rex Grossman Matt Gutierrez (restricted) Tarvaris Jackson Jon Kitna Josh McCown Matt Moore (restricted) Kyle Orton Jordan Palmer Chad Pennington Patrick Ramsey Chris Redman Brian St. Pierre Troy Smith (restricted - can't wait to here how many buck-nuts want him) Charlie Whitehurst http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontracts.php
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batch, garcia, and pennington (if he's healthy) are fine with me for a one-year stop-gap.
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Campbell, Carr, Pennington, Brunell or Culpepper.
I'd bring in any one of them and just hand them the keys for a year while we fill some holes elsewhere. Just keep doing one year deals on QB's until our defense is at least respectable and our offense starts to move a bit.... THEN we should pull the trigger on a young QB.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I'd take Pennington off of that list before Campbell.
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I wouldn't. People seem to forget that Pennington is almost always hurt. He has major injury problems, a noodle arm, and he's definitely aging. Campbell has no durability issues, a good arm, and isn't even in his prime yet.
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Campbell, Carr, Pennington, Brunell or Culpepper.
I'd bring in any one of them and just hand them the keys for a year while we fill some holes elsewhere. Just keep doing one year deals on QB's until our defense is at least respectable and our offense starts to move a bit.... THEN we should pull the trigger on a young QB.
No to David Carr. No to Brunell (way too old).
Yes to Culpepper, Campbell, Pennington and Bulger.
Doubt they'll be the only ones on the market either. Outside shot that Romo hits the open market. 
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I haven't forgot buutttt there are other reasons I don't want him..
Anyway this is only three games..lets see what happens.. 
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Campbell, Carr, Pennington, Brunell or Culpepper.
I'd bring in any one of them and just hand them the keys for a year while we fill some holes elsewhere. Just keep doing one year deals on QB's until our defense is at least respectable and our offense starts to move a bit.... THEN we should pull the trigger on a young QB.
Minus Brunell, I could live with someone on that list, especially Campbell or Pennington.. With that said, I don't want a stop gap for more than one year.. One year is fine, but we should be ready to draft a young QB in 2011..
None of this will really matter if we keep missing in the draft.. Like it was said earlier in this thread, we NEED playmakers.. I am sick of us MISSING in the first two rounds.. Veikune and Robiskie...
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As much as I want to see Eric Berry or Taylor Mays in the secondary, this F.O. proved in the draft that they would rather forego a Stud by trading down and grabbing something viewed as an upgrade... I would love to see us get them but my heart tells me that when we are on the clock and one of them guys is sitting there, our "braintrust" will eff this one up too... You don't get too much more than a sure thing as one of them two will be... 
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Robiskie is inactive cuz he's paying for mistakes in training camp (3 drops in one practice). He's been told to show up to the facility 90 minutes before everyone else for extra work.
Source: Munch
And the pro-Pennington/anti-Bulger crowd: Pennington's out w/ a shoulder too.
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Since all of you are mindlessly speculating on a late September Monday, with the Browns sinking, I'll play along and throw out a name. Not that we SHOULD get him, and not that he WOULD want to be a Brown, but I have a feeling Donovan McNabb won't be an Eagle in 2010. If Kevin Kolb keeps emerging - not to mention the Michael Vick factor - it might be time the Eagles let McNabb go. It'd be kinda funny if he became a Browns years after the Couch/McNabb thing.
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