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It's a possible he'll leave Phillly next off-season, that's all I was sayin'.  Where he goes ( if he goes), nobody knows.
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Mangini and company traded back because there was no true elite talent available. With Curry gone, there was no one for them to go after. They didn't go after Sanchez because they wanted to give Quinn and DA a shot. This year, there are many elite talents. Don't expect them to trade back again.
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I've got it. We trade DA, BQ and BE to Washington for Campbell and next year's first. That gives us our number 1 pick (number 1 overall) and their number 1 pick (number 2 overall). We then use one for a WR to replace Edwards and one for a guy like Eric Berry or Taylor Mays. And, with the first 2 picks in the draft, we can have them signed way before draft day, ensuring that they're in camp next year. Super Bowl 2010. 
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What if we traded down with those top 2 overall picks and got us some studs for special teams?
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And the pro-Pennington/anti-Bulger crowd: Pennington's out w/ a shoulder too.
I wouldn't doubt that he's been told to come early for extra work, because the bit I've heard is that he is having trouble picking up the playbook.
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Interesting..I thought he was overrated at worst..but I thought he was smart..
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Pennington might already be out for the season. If that happens, I think his career is over.
The Vikings are shopping Tavaris Jackson. They were one of the top teams in the DA sweepstakes. Why not swap em? No more QB contraversy. DA is a gun slinger that can learn behind Favre for the rest of the season. Jackson is a FA at the end of the year and off the books.
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If you think Jason Campbell would sign here you've lost your mind.
Unless you've forgotten:
1. The team is god awful and won't be good for a while.
2. The coach is an absolute jerk
3. Players are filing grievances against him
4. Seven staph infections that have ended a few careers
5. Pending litigation against the team for above
6. An absentee owner who lives in NYC and bought a European Soccer team.
7. Cleveland as a city - See hastily made "Come on down to Cleveland town everyone" video
At this point why would anyone take double the market money to come here?
This is Option 1A for those looking to commit career suicide.
Why don't we concentrate East Germany style on the players we have trapped here rather than fanticize about competant players who would never come.
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Campbell is gonna run where the money is, as most free agents do. I f we get rid of both DA and Quinn, I'm somewhat sure that we could afford to slightly overpay for Campbell....who is not Tom Brady...but...he has been improving.
I'd certainly take Campbell, a better OL, and some need studs at OLB over a high pick on a QB. Regardless, we have to get another QB in here, Campbell is low risk, pretty high reward. You atleast know your getting a decent player, that can come in right away and play.
Either way your looking at investing a ton of money. McNabb is the other option, but I just cant see Philly letting him go, unless Kolb really takes off.
The other option the Browns could look into is Mike Vick, his roster bonus next year pretty much seals it that he wont be in Philly next year. Definitely not your normal QB, but he has been successful.
I'd take Campbell first, McNabb second, with an odd interest and curiosity in Vick.
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The player always follows the money. Why do players continue to go to the Raiders in free agency? Because they pay them.
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If you think Jason Campbell would sign here you've lost your mind.
Unless you've forgotten:
1. The team is god awful and won't be good for a while.
2. The coach is an absolute jerk
3. Players are filing grievances against him
4. Seven staph infections that have ended a few careers
5. Pending litigation against the team for above
6. An absentee owner who lives in NYC and bought a European Soccer team.
7. Cleveland as a city - See hastily made "Come on down to Cleveland town everyone" video
At this point why would anyone take double the market money to come here?
This is Option 1A for those looking to commit career suicide.
Why don't we concentrate East Germany style on the players we have trapped here rather than fanticize about competant players who would never come.
Can I get a Whoop, Whoop!?
Absolutely. We've got huge FA problems. Our coach is impossible, and he presides over a system that is one of the biggest jokes in the history of the NFL at the moment.
Why on earth would you decide to come and play here? Not only are we currently the biggest joke ever, but we've been a huge joke since 1999.
Not only will we have problems with FAs but if I were a QB, I'd do anything in my power to avoid being drafted by the Browns. We have done nothing but absolutely decimate the career of any promising young QB that ever came here. "No frickin thanks, Browns. I'll just sit this one out and re-enter the draft next year."
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I'd also like to point out the obvious, which may not be that obvious to some. If we would get Campbell, that would not only shore up the quarterback position, but it would allow us to use our very high draft pick on another need, and go BPA. I can honestly say I'd rather have Jason Campbell and a top prospect (say Eric Berry, Gerald McCoy, or Trent Williams) than one lone quarterback like Sam Bradford.
It's sad that we are talking about this already, but I must admit, it has me a little excited.
If all you plan to do is shore up the QB position so you can go BPA in the draft. Why not just stick with DA & Quinn? BTW, the Browns should go BPA anyway.
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I wouldn't mind Campbell, but for the life of me I have never understood why we haven't brought in a vet on this team that has actually done something in this league to help along our young QB's, and if need be step in and win us a few games.
It just seems to me that alot of young qb's have progressed well when they had a savvy vet helping them along the way.
I'd like to see us trade Quinn since he probably has more value, draft a guy in the second or third round and bring in a a vet. Maybe a Jon Kitna or a Cullpepper like some mentioned.
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Ammo, one of the reasons the bolts were willing to move Brees was because of the shoulder injury AND the fact that they paid a heavy price to acquire this guy named Rivers. If St. Louis lets Bulger go without offering him next season it will speak volumes about where he is at injury wise and career wise. He isnt the same guy that was smooth and accurate 3 seasons ago.
Jason Campbell.......he doesnt exactly make me giddy but if we draft a QB next year it would be suicidal so a young, athletically gifted FA like him to fill the spot might be a good thing.
Despite the 3 picks yesterday, I still think DA has some upside. They guy was just trying to make chicken salad out of chicken ... the only way he knows how.......by slinging it.
99 times out of a hundred a QB coming into the 2nd half down 3 scores in the NFL is going to throw multiple picks.
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Campbell won't come here
as a matter of fact, since Mangini has the rep he does for players not liking him, We will have a very hard time getting anyone to come here
do you think players are going to come here to be treated the way they will be? not happening
everyone overpays, the difference is Mangini...players won't come here because of HIM
Lecharles Bentley only came here because it was his hometown, AND because of Romeo Crennell who is very well liked and repsected among players and coaches in league circles
don't expect many Fa to come here if Mangini keeps his job, it won't happen unless we severely overpay IE 75-85% ABOVE market value...meaning the said player would sign elsehwere for 75-85% less than they would here
as for QB, please!
no way ANY qb in their right mind is going to come here, look how we treat QB for petes sake...thats nuts...not happening
this team is is deep trouble, more than many of you realize...way more....
if we don't get a real coach IE :
Mooch, Holmgren Cowher, Schotenheimer, Shanahan, etc.....were going to be in very deep trouble.....players won't play for this clown we currently have in their...
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Cowher won't come out of respect for Pittsburgh and the Rooneys so I vote Shanahan.
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Campbell won't come here
as a matter of fact, since Mangini has the rep he does for players not liking him, We will have a very hard time getting anyone to come here
do you think players are going to come here to be treated the way they will be? not happening
everyone overpays, the difference is Mangini...players won't come here because of HIM
Lecharles Bentley only came here because it was his hometown, AND because of Romeo Crennell who is very well liked and repsected among players and coaches in league circles
don't expect many Fa to come here if Mangini keeps his job, it won't happen unless we severely overpay IE 75-85% ABOVE market value...meaning the said player would sign elsehwere for 75-85% less than they would here
as for QB, please!
no way ANY qb in their right mind is going to come here, look how we treat QB for petes sake...thats nuts...not happening
this team is is deep trouble, more than many of you realize...way more....
if we don't get a real coach IE :
Mooch, Holmgren Cowher, Schotenheimer, Shanahan, etc.....were going to be in very deep trouble.....players won't play for this clown we currently have in their...
Tom Coughlin has a reputation of being a hard nosed .... I don't see the Giants players having too much trouble playing for him. Yes they have a lot more talent than the Browns, and they win games. I know all that. I'm just saying that a lot of the time it doesn't matter how the coach acts. It's about going to a winning team.
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How Lerner failed to bring Shanahan in last off-season I will never understand. He is a student of the game and he is spending his time away from coaching going to school learning the spread. When he comes back to the NFL I bet he will be the one to hybridize it and make it successful in the nfl.
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How Lerner failed to bring Shanahan in last off-season I will never understand. He is a student of the game and he is spending his time away from coaching going to school learning the spread. When he comes back to the NFL I bet he will be the one to hybridize it and make it successful in the nfl.
It's not that easy. I'm thinking Shanahan didn't want any part of this franchise. Just like every other big name former coaches.
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Bingo ClevelandFan73!
we have a winner
I personally don't understand why Lerner just doesn't do this:
after the season, Mangini should be canned
so it goes like this
1. fire Mangini
2. Hire either Dan Reeves or Marv Levy to be the GM...those guys know talent
3. Allow Reeves or Levy to hire the coach of their choosing
4. regardless of what happens, STAY THE COURSE with Reeves/Levy and his coach for atleast 5 years regardless of how bad it gets
those guys are winners, they know what it takes to get talent, and they have friends in the league, good assisants and coaches came from their trees
Dan Reeves is competitive as all be, the guy had to quit coaching because of his heart, but he is one heck of a GM...he would be = to Parcells in Miami...so would Levy...
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Here's an idea, and don't hate me for this. Mike Vick to a 1 or 2 year, all incentive-based deal. See where/if he can take off, maybe Franchise and trade him to someone losing it to his athletic ability (cough, Al Davis, cough cough) for draft picks and somehow hit on those with a new regime. At least Vick would be entertaining football. 
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Just an FYI on Marty...heard him on NFL radio right before the season....say that he is done with coaching....he said the old "never say never" but that he just does not think he wants to do it anymore...he is enjoying his life and his time.
Said he might do the "Parcells in Miami" thing....but only in the right situation...and he is not sure that situation exists.
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I swear I was just thinking about this. I was thinking tho that Campbell is in a bad situation and a change of scenery could really help him out. I was thinking more along the lines of trading for Campbell. Wonder what it would cost us to trade for Campbell? If it was a 5th I would do it. Or we could ship them both Quinn and Anderson.
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I swear I was just thinking about this. I was thinking tho that Campbell is in a bad situation and a change of scenery could really help him out. I was thinking more along the lines of trading for Campbell. Wonder what it would cost us to trade for Campbell? If it was a 5th I would do it. Or we could ship them both Quinn and Anderson.
If you call Washington a bad situation. What do you call the Browns? That's not the change of scenery anyone would think is an improvement.
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How Lerner failed to bring Shanahan in last off-season I will never understand. He is a student of the game and he is spending his time away from coaching going to school learning the spread. When he comes back to the NFL I bet he will be the one to hybridize it and make it successful in the nfl.
It's not that easy. I'm thinking Shanahan didn't want any part of this franchise. Just like every other big name former coaches.
Do you guys know that Shanahan was fired in Denver AFTER the Browns hired Mangini?
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EM shouldnt have been hiring the coach, period. Shoulda been done by by our President and GM, the President EM hired, and the GM that the president hired.
Hopefully whoever is in charge next year does give Campbell a serious look, could be just what we need here.
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j/c
How strange would it be to sign Vick and he plays for the "Dawg Pound"?
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While Campbell would be intriguing for the simple fact he would allow us to draft a position outside of QB. I believe it is is highly unlikely he is a Brown next year.
Too many factors go into play...
(1) What is Washington's draft position, i.e. are they inpostion to draft top tier talent?
(2) Most imporatntly, Have we changed regimes.....again?, Is Magini still the coach? What impact does that have.
(3) If we don't sign BE to another deal does the QB postion even matter? At this point is appears we have no other viable recievers. (reserve possibly massaquoi).
(4) Campbell isn't coming here....that's just ridiculous, but it was fun. Please don't say money talks. I get it, money can talk....but it could be an uncapped year. He may be franchised just so Snyder can reserve options. Having said that, I believe we would have to outbid. And by outbid, I mean drastically overpay, any other team for his services at this point time.
(5) In the end, I predict he remains a Redskin. I'll put money on that vs. the liklihood of him becoming a Brown.
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How Lerner failed to bring Shanahan in last off-season I will never understand. He is a student of the game and he is spending his time away from coaching going to school learning the spread. When he comes back to the NFL I bet he will be the one to hybridize it and make it successful in the nfl.
It's not that easy. I'm thinking Shanahan didn't want any part of this franchise. Just like every other big name former coaches.
Do you guys know that Shanahan was fired in Denver AFTER the Browns hired Mangini?
I wasn't sure of the time line. But regardless. When was the last time any big name coach came to the Browns?
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Yeah I would rather have Vick than Cambpell or Jackson (they both SUCK)..or any FA QB out there..but until the OL improves and we can get a capable RB, it doesn't matter who the QB is..if we're gonna take one with the first overall pick it has to be Bradford..
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This injury and watching him play, and kind of struggle with a shaky offensive line doesn't give me the confidence yet to make him the #1 overall pick. I don't want to be picking QB in round one next year because there are so many other glaring needs on this team (RT, RG, RB, OLB, ILB, Saftey being the largest of needs in addition to QB. I am not too high on any of the QBs coming out of this year's draft class. Not enough of them are playing in pro-style offenses which to me is the biggest drag about the spread working in college so much. I need to see QBs taking snaps under center in an offense with ballance, professional-style routes, and dealing with like sets of protection, going from the pocket.
Too many spread QBs in this draft class, and the percentages on those just are not very high in the 1st round, people. Take care of QB in FA if at all possible.
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Most of the time I just read this board I don’t say much but that’s because somebody has already posted my thoughts and I would just be repeating what has already been posted.
In this instance I have these thoughts.
The fans wanted RAC gone and BQ to start. They wanted RAC replaced by an experienced coach who would instill discipline and order. Who would be organized and tuff. They also wanted a coach that would attack on defense and manage the game on offense.
Well guys we got our wish on both accounts, and let’s face it, it isn’t working. That doesn’t mean it won’t but to this point where doing just exactly what we wanted to see happen and now we blame the coach the owner and the QB.
So the question becomes should we have chased off RAC? should we have placed all the blame for losing on DA? Now compound things we have set our sights on the owner……
The thing I see here is we think (wrongly) that we are a player (generally the QB) and a coach away from being a winner, which always brings us right back to where we started……………..
The biggest fault I find with RL is he listens to us too much, and we don’t know diddly. Sad but oh so true………..
Will be worlds better when we commit to and support a coach that is competent and in control….. I think we actually have that in Mangini, aside from the fact that I didn’t and don’t think he is the guy to lead this team at this time. Discipline is something you bring to a team with loads of talent that is floundering because they are disorganized. We never were loaded with talent, in fact we aren’t even close. In this instance we had the perfect coach RAC. He got everything you could out of this group, and they never gave up because they loved the guy. It didn’t make up for their lack of talent, but it did keep them coming back and giving their all every Sunday.
Will see if Mangini can keep these guys focused and giving an all out effort like RAC did, but somehow I just don’t think so……………. And that’s bad for us the fans…….
We wanted BQ to be the QB. No problem but the requirement for BQ to be successful is for the Browns to be a great defense, which would allow BQ to just manage the game. Where not a great defense, and we don’t need someone to manage the game. We need someone just like DA. Yes he will make mistakes and leave you scratching your head, but when he is on he will light up teams, and that folks is our BEST chance to win. We aren’t good enough in any area to manage or dictate. What we can do though is attack on offense and let the chips fall where they may………………….
Now to the point of the post, we are way more then a player in this case a QB or a high draft pick away from being a good team, will be a better team, but we won’t be an elite team by infusing one player onto this team. Every year we think were a player away a coach away. Where worlds from that, we need to honker down try to win some games, and develop our young players, with an emphasis on development…………………
We as a fan base need to support the course taken. I see posts where fans are PO ed because Mangini is handing out fines and letting the players know they are accountable….. Just what you all asked for…………. But now that it’s actually happening and it isn’t working your jumping ship instead of standing up any saying this is exactly what I wanted………..………
At this point I can honestly say without hesitation we got what we asked for, and we were wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong again……. That isn’t so bad, but to not stand up for it now that the damage is done is cowardly…………………
We all but ran DA out of town, and now we truly need the guy. He was and remains our ONLY chance at respectability………………………… I wouldn’t blame the guy if he laid down on us………………………………….We deserve what were getting, after all we got what we asked for…………………………. RAC fired, BQ as our starter………
You guys that are now cleaning out the bus and getting the rope ready, give it a rest that don’t work… Time to honker down and bite the bullet………………….Throw the bus keys away…………………….
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Just an FYI on Marty...heard him on NFL radio right before the season....say that he is done with coaching....he said the old "never say never" but that he just does not think he wants to do it anymore...he is enjoying his life and his time.
Said he might do the "Parcells in Miami" thing....but only in the right situation...and he is not sure that situation exists.
Let him do the "Parcells" thing in Clevleand, Lerner.
That's a new thread in its own. Who the heck is a good candidate for this President or whatever you call the high front office position that so many of us are calling for? I'm guessing Lerner doesn't know either.
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Just wondering. Does anyone think that the reason Quinn was chosen as the starter in the beginning of the season is due to either Fan or Front Office Pressure.. Could it be that DA was the favored choice all along but to sooth the beasts, he picked Quinn?
Just a thought.. but think about it, what did Quinn really do to warrent being chosen over DA during the Preseason?
I can't think of Much..
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Good question, Daman. My guess is that it was a "we spent a 1st round pick on this kid, we need to figure out what we've got" kind of thing.
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Good question,,and to add to it,,,is it possible he started him from all that pressure,,,hoping that he would fail ???
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Yeah I would rather have Vick than Cambpell or Jackson (they both SUCK)..or any FA QB out there..but until the OL improves and we can get a capable RB, it doesn't matter who the QB is..if we're gonna take one with the first overall pick it has to be Bradford..
(Side Note : I would have the same problem drafting Sam that I had with Peterson -- would he be injury prone ? (and then hope I was wrong,...  ) But, I would SUPPORT the kid, not like Quinn, who, if compared to the current status of SIX OTHER NFL teams, gets no support just because he's 0-3.)
In 'Bold',...a more justifiably truer opinion that gets swept under the "Quinn Sucks" rug.
Now about Vick,...if the Cleveland Browns were to bring HIM in, I would be done with the NFL.
If Quinn is done, then he's done, and Campbell might be a good option. Not my call, as my opinion means jack zilch.
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what did Quinn really do to warrent being chosen over DA during the Preseason?
I can't think of Much..
I thought Quinn looked better, but not by leaps and bounds. For me it was the touch on the shorter stuff that did it for me. I guess if we had thrown beyond the first down marker more often, we might've gotten a glimpse at the horrendous accuracy issue Quinn seems to be having.
Also, like you were thinking, I've heard plenty of people accusing Lerner of demanding that Quinn start. I don't believe it though. That seems way too involved for Lerner.
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