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Good question, Daman. My guess is that it was a "we spent a 1st round pick on this kid, we need to figure out what we've got" kind of thing.

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I think conversely, it has to do as much with what we "already know about Anderson." And he proved Sunday he clearly is not as capable a backup, as equally bad as Quinn is a starter. They both stink. And they both will until ALL of the problems are dealt with.

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Good question, Daman. My guess is that it was a "we spent a 1st round pick on this kid, we need to figure out what we've got" kind of thing.

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I think conversely, it has to do as much with what we "already know about Anderson." And he proved Sunday he clearly is not as capable a backup, as equally bad as Quinn is a starter. They both stink. And they both will until ALL of the problems are dealt with.




I think it's a combination of wanting to know what we have in Quinn, and pressure from the fanbase and ownership.

Honestly...imagine if Anderson started the year and struggled. It'd be worse than it is now.

Personally...I don't think DA lost the competition. Quinn was given every chance and about tied, and it went to him.

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Good question,,and to add to it,,,is it possible he started him from all that pressure,,,hoping that he would fail ???




I woudln't think that possible. This coach knows he's gotten a reprieve of sorts being hired so quickly after being fired by the Jets.. he's gotten his second chance rather quickly (we'll see in time if it was too quickly, but that's a discussion for another day)

No, I think he may have been pressured, but I won't accept that he wanted him to fail, because it means that as a coach, he failed also.

Not buying that one...


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yup,, I agree,, but stranger things have happened.. I think you're right...Thanks

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bravo.....well said.


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I see many lies being thrown around as fact.

1. Campbell won't come here. This is completely not true. A player will always follow the money. They will go where their blood sucking, parasitic agents lead them. And agents are all about getting as much money as possible.

2. Campbell sucks. Have you seen his numbers? Last year his QB rating was in the mid 80's, and so far this year it's in the low 90's. Yet, somehow, he sucks.

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i don't care too much but didn't campbell start last season with similar numbers? i remember him being in the 90s for the first 5 or so games when people started to say he was "coming on" but then fizzled again.

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I can honestly say that I have no clue and really don't care either. His numbers were good last year, and they are looking better right now.

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well i took a quick look. i remembered because i couldn't believe how well he played the first few weeks:

15/27, 133 yrds, 1 td against giants
24/36, 321 yrds, 1 td against saints
22/30, 193 yrds, 2 td against cardinals
20/31, 231 yrds, 2 td against cowboys

but after something like 6-2, they then went on to go 2-6

23/38, 232 yrds, 1 int against giants
21/37, 218 yrds, 1 td, 1 int against ravens
17/28, 167 yrds, 1 td against bengals
18/33, 144 yrds against eagles

not terrible numbers but i'm reluctant whenever a team is sending off their qb...

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After he has a bad couple of games ( Quinn ) or a bad half ( Frye ) who should we get? I can't wait to run a couple more QBs out of town.

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I see many lies being thrown around as fact.

1. Campbell won't come here. This is completely not true. A player will always follow the money. They will go where their blood sucking, parasitic agents lead them. And agents are all about getting as much money as possible.




Not only that any QB worth his salt has to believe he could do better than the present culprits.So I think it's possible if not probable.
Any FA QB is going to have his warts. We need alot more than a QB so I think it's a good idea whether is Campbell Bulger or Vick
At this point I'd be happy if we were at least competitive.

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I have always thought Campbell was a good QB when I have seen him play. I think he's been given a bad rap in his development since he's seen how many OC's???

Could be a solution. Again I'd like to play the BQ era out and see if he can find a comfort zone before giving up. Only cause we must have had some high regards to pass over Sanchez...I liked him a lot and thought that was a confirmation in the Coaches regard of BQ's talent.

Campbell - as long as he is not damaged goods. not a bad idea in the future.


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Why not stick with DA?



He sucks and throws too many stupid interceptions?


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I have always thought Campbell was a good QB when I have seen him play. I think he's been given a bad rap in his development since he's seen how many OC's???

Could be a solution. Again I'd like to play the BQ era out and see if he can find a comfort zone before giving up. Only cause we must have had some high regards to pass over Sanchez...I liked him a lot and thought that was a confirmation in the Coaches regard of BQ's talent.

Campbell - as long as he is not damaged goods. not a bad idea in the future.



Just playing devil's adovocate on Campbell here...

He had the majority of success at Auburn his senior year under Al Borges' version of the WCO, which is very similar to what Zorn does now. Zorn is an alleged QB guru who specializes in fundamentals and a mastery of the WCO. Campbell has been very tame, and checkdowns like his last name is Quinn. He's not been willing to push the ball vertically.

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Campbell goes downfield, he hit Santa Moss quite a bit sunday, hes got the tools. I don't think hes Brady, Manning or McNabb...but hes is good enough to win a SB.

Low Risk guy, at worst you get a decent QB, at best he develops into a great player.

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Why not stick with DA?




I would have no problem with that. After we find out about Quinn.

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Campbell won't come here

as a matter of fact, since Mangini has the rep he does for players not liking him, We will have a very hard time getting anyone to come here

do you think players are going to come here to be treated the way they will be? not happening

everyone overpays, the difference is Mangini...players won't come here because of HIM

Lecharles Bentley only came here because it was his hometown, AND because of Romeo Crennell who is very well liked and repsected among players and coaches in league circles

don't expect many Fa to come here if Mangini keeps his job, it won't happen unless we severely overpay IE 75-85% ABOVE market value...meaning the said player would sign elsehwere for 75-85% less than they would here

as for QB, please!

no way ANY qb in their right mind is going to come here, look how we treat QB for petes sake...thats nuts...not happening

this team is is deep trouble, more than many of you realize...way more....

if we don't get a real coach IE :

Mooch, Holmgren Cowher, Schotenheimer, Shanahan, etc.....were going to be in very deep trouble.....players won't play for this clown we currently have in their...




Really?
Here is the list of Free agents the Jets brought in for the 2008 season and the team they came from.
New York Jets RB Jesse Chatman Miami Dolphins 3/11/08

G Alan Faneca Pittsburgh Steelers 3/3/08

LB Calvin Pace Arizona Cardinals 3/4/08

RB Tony Richardson Minnesota Vikings 3/6/08

RB Musa Smith Baltimore Ravens 5/27/08

G Damien Woody Detroit Lions

They might not all be the greatest thing walking but I wouldn't mind having Calvin Pace, Damien Woody and Alen Faneca.

Of course I shouldn't get my hopes up for FA because none of those guys would play for a coach like Mangini

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I find it funny that some of the same people talking about DA and his turnovers ignore the fact Campbell has 7 in three games and Quinn has 5 in 2.5. Guess every QB sucks.


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A: Campbell has 2 picks. Nice try though.

B: Quinn doesn't throw down field or make any plays.

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I find it funny that some of the same people talking about DA and his turnovers ignore the fact Campbell has 7 in three games and Quinn has 5 in 2.5. Guess every QB sucks.




DA has 3 in a half of play.


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I find it funny that some of the same people talking about DA and his turnovers ignore the fact Campbell has 7 in three games and Quinn has 5 in 2.5. Guess every QB sucks.




quinn has 3 in 2.5 games, da has 3 in 0.5 games.

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While I agree with the concept of bringing in a vet instead of rookie...I don't know if Campbell is teh answer...I really do not even know if he's that much better than DA to be honest...but I'd take him and dump Quinn....it would be an upgrade at the position no doubt...and since I'm sure the market won't deliver a better option I would agree to go that way...I just think we won't win anything with the guy because he's average at best....but that would be a start I guess

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I find it funny that some of the same people talking about DA and his turnovers ignore the fact Campbell has 7 in three games and Quinn has 5 in 2.5. Guess every QB sucks.




quinn has 3 in 2.5 games, da has 3 in 0.5 games.


I said Turnovers, not interceptions. Campbell has 7, Quinn has 5, and DA has 3.


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Here's some numbers for ya.

Campbell is on pace to turn the ball over 37 times this season.

Quinn is on pace to turn the ball over 32 times this season were he to play the whole rest of the season which he obviously won't.

DA is on pace to turn the ball over 75 times this season if he finishes out the season.

How's that?


Your use of numbers stinks as bad as your typical use of words. You proclaim, by the use of your sterling numbers that DA turns the ball over less then than the other two you reference. What you neglect to observe or highlight is that DA has played in only 1/2 of one game whereas Campbell has played in 3 full games and Quinn in 2-1/2.

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths at which one will go through to support their agenda. Even after someone questioned your numbers you came back in response and repeated them as though they stood for something that would prove your point.


Here's another way to show the turnover battle between Quinn and DA...


Turnover's per quarter:

Quinn ......... 1/2 of a turnover per quarter.

DA .......... 1-1/2 turnovers per quarter.


I know, it's strange how it doesn't look nearly as good or so nearly in your favor when seen like that.



For the rest of you out there with a brain I want you to know that I do not intend to infer that DA will continue to turn the ball over at the pace of 3 turnovers per half. This was merely a mathematical response to a stupid use of numers

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For the rest of you out there with a brain I want you to know that I do not intend to infer that DA will continue to turn the ball over at the pace of 3 turnovers per half. This was merely a mathematical response to a stupid use of numbers




So if we lost by an average of 20 and multiplied by 6 an add 1 then took the square root of that number, we'd have 11 more points than the Browns will score next week?

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I knew someone out there understood this stuff.


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Here"s some numbers for ya! 2.5..number of games Quinn starts before getting yanked. 23...number of passing yards Quinn averages per quarter..64...the number of sacks Quinn is on pace for(cause he doesn't know what to do with the ball) 0...the number of points in non garbage time play. With those numbers and DA is still starting? Wow how bad is Quinn really! Pretty sad actually. We all know the numbers for Anderson will come down by the end of the year. Through 2.5 games, there is no sign that Quinn would ever cross the 50.


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thnx... I needed that.


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