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anyone know a time that this is to be announced? Just wondering


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Derek Anderson Back in the Saddle Again

Derek Anderson will start Sunday’s game against the Bengals at the stadium. Coach Eric Mangini made the announcement Wednesday saying he is looking for improvement offensively.

Brady Quinn was benched in favor of Anderson to start the second half last Sunday at Baltimore. The Browns, who are off to their 3rd 0-3 start in 4 seasons have scored 1 offensive touchdown this season.



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I want to see how this progresses..is Gini giving Quinn time to collect himself..or is he done with him?

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Oh, you'll see... we've all got front row seats to watch it.


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Oh, you'll see... we've all got front row seats to watch it.

Not me..I sit in the back..people in front will need to be ushered out

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I guess the problem here is that Mangini thought that Quinn was going to come out and play like an NFL starter right away. Either that or he thought Quinn would play just well enough to be better than DA.

On the other hand, Quinn deserves it. He has not progressed, he refuses to test the defense, and he is holding the ball too long. I don't blame Mangini for switching QB's.

I think Quinn may be traded soon, though.


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well, good luck to DA....hope he can repeat the last time he took over in a beating the game before playing Cinci.


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I think Quinn may be traded soon, though.




To who (whom?)? After his display this season, do you think there are a lot of teams (or one team) out there saying "boy, that kid can play! we gotta get that guy!"

Well, maybe the Raiders.


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I think Quinn may be traded soon, though.




To who (whom?)? After his display this season, do you think there are a lot of teams (or one team) out there saying "boy, that kid can play! we gotta get that guy!"

Well, maybe the Raiders.




Broncos might take him cheap, as might the Cowboys. Raiders are always an option and there is the Bucs, who despite Quinn being awful, would gladly welcome Quinn.

Now your return would likely be a 5th rounder or so.


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Yeah, maybe the Broncos or the Cowboys. Probably not the Bucs, though, as they drafted Freeman this year.


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The are 13 games to go..lets not talk trade until after everything plays out..this is just the start of the rollercoaster..

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Give me a break.. The trade Quinn stuff starts already..

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The are 14 games to go..lets not talk trade until after everything plays out..this is just the start of the rollercoaster..




16 game season .... 3 games played .....

Are you implying that we make the playoffs? Has the promotion of DA back to the starting role given you that much confidence?


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Fixed..13 games...confidence in DA.. I'm confident I know what I'm going to see..and it won't be all pretty either..U ready to see it?

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The are 14 games to go..lets not talk trade until after everything plays out..this is just the start of the rollercoaster..




16 game season .... 3 games played .....

Are you implying that we make the playoffs? Has the promotion of DA back to the starting role given you that much confidence?




He has enough confidence that we make the playoffs, but not enough that we win the playoff game?


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The are 13 games to go..lets not talk trade until after everything plays out..this is just the start of the rollercoaster..




Sorry, but I have absolutely no confidence in either of these QB's, but that especially includes Quinn. Get for him what you can and move on.

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I kinda feel bad for the people that have so much faith in DA, I really do. My guess is he'll have his usual good drive or two, and turn the ball over a bunch. Then what? We go back to Quinn? Then back to DA? Then another 3 days before we know who the starter is?

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I kinda feel bad for the people that have so much faith in DA, I really do. My guess is he'll have his usual good drive or two, and turn the ball over a bunch. Then what?




Then it is the defenses fault for not doing their part.


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I kinda feel bad for the people that have so much faith in DA, I really do. My guess is he'll have his usual good drive or two, and turn the ball over a bunch. Then what? We go back to Quinn? Then back to DA? Then another 3 days before we know who the starter is?




Did you watch BQ he didn't even get that so yeah I'll take that...

I honestly understand the sour grapes over BQ.. I want to join the crew that is upset about him getting benched, but in order for me to do so I just want someone to point out 1 thing that BQ did good that I can hang my hat on and say here this is BQ he will get better...


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Awesome, at least the Browns stand a chance now!!

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all i have to say on this move is it is a real simple decision fo rmangini. being in his first year, having no ties to either qb, he needs to consider other factors such as locker room credibility in his decision. he knows that his inherited players remembers the 07 season and what they accomplished. he knows, with such poor performance, with no improvement, he couldn't keep doing this for longer.

if i put myself in teh shoes of any of the vets, if quinn were still in, i'm thinking "i have a short career where i'm trying to perform so i can meet my goals (financially or greatness) but this guy is sacrificing a whole season to see if a guy *might* develop into a starter?" and i'd be pissed. when you have a locker room full of people htinking like this, you have a problem. just that simple.

whether people believe in DA, it's the right move to make.

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The plan was to give the guy a chance to see what he is..he's regressed instead of progressing..why this is happening is speculation..is it Mangini pressing him not to make mistakes or is he pressing himself?
I do know as I said yesterday there are several ways to handle this..however I wonder what Gini is thinking about Quinn..in a few games I'll know..but I do know you can't shut him down just after 3 games for good.
And no one needs trying to compare Quinn to Frye..
While we're at benching the QB..can we bench the DB's as well?
McFlurry sucks worse than Quinn's play so far..why is he allowed to start?
Can we bench St.Turnstile?
How bout benching Cribbs back to ST's ?
Now I'd like to see the starting lineup for Sunday..

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Well, I guess it's time to wade into the fray with my $.02


1) I was in favor of starting Quinn this year. For reasons no one understands, he is playing worse than the few games we saw last year. Is it the system? High-strung, stressful culture on the team now? Worse O-line? Whatever the case, defenses aren't being tested at all by him and are looking all-world against the Browns. Ergo, our defense is getting ground down, blown out, and players are possibly giving up during games. We can talk about letting Quinn develop, but his poor performance is preventing other aspects of the team from developing. I don't think that sacrifice can continue. Chances are good he'll get more touches in the future due to injury or, God willing, mop-up duty. I think he needs a breather right now.

2) Anderson, while mistake prone, may give us a more legitimate offensive threat overall. It will be interesting to see how it pans out from the opening whistle. Perhaps his "aw shucks" looseness in the huddle is exactly what this team needs to balance out El Mangini's control freak nature. A disciplinarian coach with a loose, gunslinger QB may prove to be an intriguing combination that will either bring some success or thermonuclear meltdown to this team.

3) I don't really feel either QB is the long-term answer, I doubt if Mangini does either. I am in favor of playing out the string over the next two years or so with one of these to guys, or a young vet (such as a Campbell mentioned in the other tread). Don't pick a QB next year, maybe pick one in 2011. Meanwhile, fill all the other holes and develop some continuity and identity so our young QB stud of the future can inherit a team and not a reclaimation project/psychology experiment.

This Sunday will be a watershed day for the future of this organization. It will be very interesting to see which way it goes.

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Finally!... a reason to think things might turn around instead of being sure they were going right down the crapper!

For all those who say "DA threw 3 INTs against the Ravens- he is going to suck", I can offer these observations:

1. he was put into the game when we were already down 20-0. By this point, the rest of the offense is already in their well-known "dejected once the other team has momentum" state. Maybe having DA come in to START a game will lead to putting some points up- so that he also...

2. ...Doesn't have to come in under *enormous* pressure to keep throwing downfield because we're already in a 20-0 hole. Anderson DOES tend to get a INT-happy when he's forced to play catch-up from way behind. But, unlike Quinn, he's capable of helping this team put points up- so maybe he won't *have* to play from behind and feel pressured to make risky throws.

(And speaking of turnovers, I love how the Quinnbots are using turnovers as a reason to NOT let DA play- as if Quinn wasn't personally responsible for 4 of them himself in the span of 2.5 games. Are you Quinnbots *sure* you want to use the *turnover argument* , of all things, to make your case?)

3. DA threw 3 INTs against a punishing defense who is KNOWN for getting more INTs than just about anyone. Especially with a not-warmed-up QB coming in and throwing to try to come back from 3 TDs down. What's that, Quinnbots? You don't wanna hear excuses about how the Ravens defense is so great? Then why were you making all those excuses about how we practically *should* have lost to the Vikings with their vaunted defense??? And btw, weren't we LEADING at halftime in *that* game?

4. DA in 2008 probably ain't as bad as you think you remember: After the bye week last year (when the teams take the opportunity to adjust), the Browns played 4 games before DA got benched. You know how many INTs he threw over the course of those 4 games? ONE. You know how many TDs he threw in those 4 games? SIX. You know how many times he was sacked in those 4 games? ZERO. The Browns also won 2 of those 4 games. And keep in mind that this was when BE was dropping everything thrown his way- and so was Steptoe, and there was no JJ, and Stallworth was useless, and our running game was not really any better than it is right now, and our line was no better than it is now (it was arguably even worse).

Hmmmm... 6 TDs, 1 INT, no sacks, 2 wins out of 4- and he got benched. Think the decision was based on QB play? Or do you (correctly) think it was Lerner and the fans finally pressuring RAC (and Mangini during the offseason and camp) to go with the one they all find "so cute"?

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A difficult decision for a HC to make.At least he has the guts to firmly plant his butt in the fire,I'm impressed by that.
I've always loved the roller coasters and this promises to be a good one.


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Gotta love all the Trade Quinn posts after 3 games.

Good Luck DA. I hope you are able to stop the ship from sinking.


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BEREA—The drama continues…

Eric Mangini created a stir when he pulled Brady Quinn after the first half against the Ravens.

It kept the pot boiling when he named Derek Anderson the starter for Sunday’s game with the Bengals.

“Derek will start this week,” Mangini said. “He did a nice job on third down conversions last week. He’s done a nice job since I’ve been with him. He’s made a lot of progress. I made the decision with Brady based on the information I had.”

Anderson said he’s grateful for the opportunity.

“I’m excited about the opportunity,” Anderson said. “We’re all competitors and want to play.”

Anderson came off the bench to throw three interceptions against the Ravens and post a 30.9 QB rating. He did move the ball in his time, but the Ravens were in a prevent type of defense.

“Whatever I can do to give the team a spark,” Anderson said. “I threw some balls in places that I had no business throwing to (against Baltimore). Things I wouldn’t do in a 7-3 game.”

Anderson admitted he was a little rusty.

“I had a little bit of jitters, I’ll be honest,” he said. “No excuses, but I hadn’t played in a game since December.”

Last season, Anderson made the comment that the fans didn’t like him. He said he’s not worried about that.

“I’m concerned with the guys in the locker room,” he said. “We haven’t been good and we’re trying to do everything we can to get better.”

Quinn said all the right things.

“I’m obviously disappointed,” Quinn said. “I’ll do everything I can to help the team.”

He admitted his disappointment.

“It’s tough,” he said. “But, it’s something you have to deal with.”

After winning the starting job over Anderson in the preseason, Quinn was 45-of-75 (60.8) for 400 yards with one touchdown and three interceptions. His QB rating is 62.9.

“I thought we did some good things in the preseason,” he said. “I am surprised by the lackluster start to the season.”

Mangini has maintained since mini camps that the offense wasn’t the product of one position, but the body of the whole offense. However, it looks as though Mangini is making Quinn the scapegoat for the poor play of the offense.

“What I’m looking for is for us to improve offensively,” he said. “I’m not saying by any means that it was all Brady.”

Eric Steinbach agreed.

“I think it’s more of a position change than one guy taking the fall.”

Mangini didn’t say that it’s over for the former first-round draft choice.

“In talking to Brady, the most important thing I expressed is the importance to improve,” he said. “I don’t think it will change dramatically. It’s a process.”

In 2007, after Anderson relieved Charlie Frye, Anderson came in and led the Browns to a 51-45 win over the Bengals at home in his first start.

Anderson downplayed that happening again this week.

“It’s kind of weird how it happened, now,” he said. “We have different personnel, as they do.”

Bengals’ coach Marvin Lewis said he had heard that Anderson would start, but it doesn’t change much in the Bengals’ preparation.

“I assumed that somebody would play quarterback,” Lewis said. “I think he did a good job in that (51-45) game and it led to a big contract.”

Braylon Edwards and Anderson had a good chemistry I 2007 when the duo hooked up for 16 touchdowns.

“DA likes to throw the deep ball and I like to run deep routes,” Edwards said. “This is a different team and a different year.”

Edwards said he’s not surprised by the change at quarterback.

“It’s something I’ve dealt with for five years,” he said. “We haven’t played very well and coach felt he had to make a move.”

Anderson downplayed the differences in the offense from what he thrived in 2007.

“It’s football plays,” he said. “Really, everyone runs the same plays.”

Anderson has a propensity to turn the ball over and Mangini said that’s an area of concern.

“We’ve turned the ball over and put the defense in bad situations,” he said. “We have to convert on third down and communicate and get everyone on the same page.

“That’s something we need to improve on, overall,” he said. “You have to protect the football consistently. You have to decide whether to try and squeeze it in there or throw it away.”

Mangini thinks the upside to Anderson’s game against the Ravens overshadowed the turnovers he committed.

“It’s more about being able to consistently move the ball,” he said. “He did a good job against a good defense in Baltimore after being down 20-0.”

Mangini wouldn’t commit to Anderson for the long haul, but gave no timetable for Anderson’s tenure at quarterback.

“We’re going to look at anything we can do to improve,” he said. “Each week, there is potential to move things around.

“You saw in the competition that everything was laid out and we tried to make the best decision on what we had,” he said. “There are some things that are going to take time.”

Not Touch Football: Mangini was asked about the three rushing touchdowns by the Ravens that scored untouched by a defender.

“That’s nothing that’s designed or nothing that’s expected,” he said. “If you have no edge there is nothing you can do. It’s surely not well coordinated defense, just like watching a guy fair catch a touchdown pass.”

Walking Wounded: There was no update on K Phil Dawson, RB Jamal Lewis, OL Rex Hadnot or OL Floyd Womack, who all missed last week’s game with injuries.

“With all those guys, Phil, Jamal, Rex and Floyd, you’re always optimistic and we’ll see where they’re at by the end of the week.”

The injury report comes out late on Wednesday.

Quick Snap: Mangini was asked why QB Brady Quinn did a quarterback sneak in the second quarter against the Ravens on first-and-10.

“It was a matter of they had 12 guys on the field and we were trying to catch them before they had a chance to get the player off the field.”

Why No Ray: Mangini was asked why the Browns passed on drafting LB Rey Maualuga on at least four occasions. In the second round, the Browns drafted two receivers, WR Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi.

“When you go through the draft you look at where you have the players rated and what your needs are, as well,” Mangini said.

Maualuga has 17 tackles with two forced fumbles and a sack, including six tackles last week against the Steelers.

It was reported that Maualuga had some off the field issues, which scared the Browns off.

“We do our checks on every player and in terms of specifics we’re not going to talk about it.”





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23/35 for 230 and 2 TDs in his first start against the Broncos last year on a short week.... glad you only asked for 1 thing.


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For all those who say "DA threw 3 INTs against the Ravens- he is going to suck", I can offer these observations:

1. he was put into the game when we were already down 20-0. By this point, the rest of the offense is already in their well-known "dejected once the other team has momentum" state. Maybe having DA come in to START a game will lead to putting some points up- so that he also...



Like I said being down 20-0 doesn't mean you can't make smart decisions..right?
I mean what MADE him throw the ball right into a defender?
Why not throw the ball away and get another play?
That is a QB is taught to do..PROTECT the ball.

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Anderson DOES tend to get a INT-happy when he's forced to play catch-up from way behind.


Huh?He does that at any stage of a game..go back to his college days..

DA threw 3 INTs against a punishing defense who is KNOWN for getting more INTs than just about anyone.

Once more Roger Rabbit..did the rush make him throw into coverage?
He certainly said he took chances..


DA in 2008 probably ain't as bad as you think you remember: After the bye week last year (when the teams take the opportunity to adjust), the Browns played 4 games before DA got benched. You know how many INTs he threw over the course of those 4 games? ONE. You know how many TDs he threw in those 4 games? SIX. You know how many times he was sacked in those 4 games? ZERO. The Browns also won 2 of those 4 games.

That was so laughable..U need to go make another Warner Bro. movie..way to be shady...and sneaky..soup musta schooled U..lets look at those games shall we?


comp att % yds avg td int passer rating

DAL 11- 24 45.8 114 4.8 1 0 74.0

PIT 18- 32 56.3 166 5.2 0 2 44.5

@ BAL 14 -37 37.8 125 3.4 1 3 22.9

@ CIN 15- 24 62.5 138 5.8 1 1 74.7

Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --

NYG 18- 29 62.1 310 10.7 2 0 121.3

@ WAS 14- 37 37.8 136 3.7 1 0 57.9

@ JAC 14- 27 51.9 246 9.1 1 0 95.6

BAL 17- 33 51.5 219 6.6 2 1 80.2




Why don't U look at the whole picture..completion %..passer ratings..dude was all over the place..nothing consistant..

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I'm rather enjoying all this revisionist history I'm reading on the board right now. It's quite entertaining.

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I thought U would..I just wondered when U would chime in..
If people would stop trying to be Slick..and not use stats to slant a lame /stupid argument, it would be better..

Whatever I can do to give the team a spark,” Anderson said. “I threw some balls in places that I had no business throwing to (against Baltimore). Things I wouldn’t do in a 7-3 game.”

So it's o.k to throw into coverage or make dumb decisions when you down??
This is exactly what I said about his IQ...

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“Whatever I can do to give the team a spark,” Anderson said. “I threw some balls in places that I had no business throwing to (against Baltimore). Things I wouldn’t do in a 7-3 game.”





Which is exactly why people that think DA is gonna make a big difference are flat out ignorant.

Derek, the great one, himself, just said there were no open receivers, he was throwing into coverage because there is nowhere else to go with it. So what happens sunday when nobody is open, is he gonna take a sack or throw a pick? Becuase he himself just said there was nowhere to go, he just didnt care cuz they were out of the game. So what happens when we are in the game and people are covered like they have been all season?

How long of a leash does DA have, and then how long will Quinns be when he gets in for the second time, then how long will DA's leash be the second time he replaces Quinn, and then.....

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“We’re going to look at anything we can do to improve,” he said. “Each week, there is potential to move things around.




Oh gosh..

When will we ever learn?

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He headed an offense that actually moved the bal and scored points, and won games, and converted third downs, and just generally played football.

And all of these things are better than anything Quinn has done this year, once handed the starting gig.

How about you just hold your judgement on DA until after he gets his opportunity to lead this week.

Then, if he is worse than Brady---gloat all you want.

And if he is better, then you can go to your argument that "you are waiting for the other DA to show up." Then once he has a two INT game you will say he sucks, and I told you so.

I'm sure it will go like that. I have read this board long enough to know how people are.


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Attack, one thing I believe is that DA is going to throw up a game like the Bengals in '07 or the Giants in '08 just often enough to keep some people believing that with just a little more time, he can do that consistently... and those types of games are going to pad his stats to cover for some of the stinkers he puts out there so that in the final statistics, he looks pretty good..

I just don't think DA can ever become close to that consistent. Now that he's our starter again, I hope I'm wrong. I'd love nothing more than to stick it in the faces of the media types that have already stuck a fork in us by winning 8 or 9 games.. I'd love it and I'll help carry DA off the field on my shoulders if it happens.


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I certainly don't wait for you to shut up..
I already know what I'll see..now the difference is I don't root for a Brown's player to fail..when I see failure I point it out..when I see a inconsistant player I point it out..and DA is a inconsistant QB..

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I agree. It gives us something new to think about.


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