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Why is it we have as an organization resisted having a veteran QB , at least as backup. A whole bunch of lousy we have here seems to hinge on a veteran presence to develop somebody with some promise and help get them at least to tolerable. Anybody you might recommend at this point out there? Thinking of how Strock and Dilfer and others were a huge help, and Bernie a backup for the Fish. Thoughts?
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because the "3rd string QB coach" Ken Dorsey helped out Quinn's development so much?
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Thinking of how Strock and Dilfer and others were a huge help
You sure you're talking about Trent Dilfer?
He was ANYTHING but a huge help.
And incidently, we have a veteran QB on this roster. He's starting this week, Bard. 
If you actually mean an old, grizzled veteran who can no longer be a bonifide starter, that doesn't do this team any good. We have to win a game first, then worry about answering the questions surrounding Anderson and Quinn. A veteran QB would only get in the way and muddy-up an already muddy picture.
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Thinking of how Strock and Dilfer and others were a huge help
You sure you're talking about Trent Dilfer?
He was ANYTHING but a huge help.
And incidently, we have a veteran QB on this roster. He's starting this week, Bard.
If you actually mean an old, grizzled veteran who can no longer be a bonifide starter, that doesn't do this team any good. We have to win a game first, then worry about answering the questions surrounding Anderson and Quinn. A veteran QB would only get in the way and muddy-up an already muddy picture.
I am not exactly sure what Bard means...surprise surprise  ...but...
Think about the Cowboys with Kitna...Steelers with Batch...Skins with Brunnell (till he retired) etc.
If that's the point Bard is making...then I am with him all the way.
I would get a guy like Garcia...or Garcia himself...and get rid of BQ or DA asap.
It would have to be a guy who would be agreeable to being the "backup" which excluded Dilfer (because he thought he was still serviceable when he was D-O-N-E) and very well may exclude Garcia for the same reason.
Point remains...we need a guy like Batch then...all to Bard's point...I think...maybe.
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It would have to be a guy who would be agreeable to being the "backup"
The problem is that most of the guys that you listed as back-ups are actually backing up QBs that are having success... finding a back-up to our QBs would not be as easy. Even IF the guy accepted being a back-up, the fans would be calling for him to start in 3 games.
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It would have to be a guy who would be agreeable to being the "backup"
The problem is that most of the guys that you listed as back-ups are actually backing up QBs that are having success... finding a back-up to our QBs would not be as easy. Even IF the guy accepted being a back-up, the fans would be calling for him to start in 3 games.
I agree with you...but ...the point remains that we could use a guy to serve as a mentor/serviceable-backup type. Every Super Bowl contender does...which we are...nevermind.
When Batch came to the Steelers - pre Big Ben I believe - he probably thought he could still be a "starter". He soon learned that he could not...but will have extended his career by a long way by seeing the opportunity to be a long-time mentor/serviceable backup who does not "threaten" the starter.
I think I am preaching to the choir though.
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Why not hire one of those grizzled vets as a QB coach or asst or something? Hell, bring Kosar in to work with them.
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Why not hire one of those grizzled vets as a QB coach or asst or something? Hell, bring Kosar in to work with them.
That's exactly what I was going to say. By having that person here as a coach and NOT as an active player, it lessens the chances of the fans freaking out and wanting them to play. The back-up QB is always the most popular guy in town.
Kosar, with his head for the game, might be an excellent choice to work with young QBs. Then again, we have some on here who would be begging for him to start anyway!! 
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I wish Bernie would step up and take a role with this team, Randy respects him, I'm pretty sure a job would be waiting for him. I know hes had some personal and family issues, but man would it be nice to see him working with this team in some capacity. Director of football operations... 
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He went bankrupt.
I hardly think he's qualified to run an organization...........
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An above average-to-great QB doesn't need a mentor to be successful... Ben has more to do with his own success than Charlie Batch, for one example.
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He went bankrupt.
I hardly think he's qualified to run an organization...........
I don't know that anyone is asking for Bernie to run the team.
Look at it like this: he's a qb coach, or a special assistant to the qb coach. We all know Bernie knows what the hell he's talking about when it comes to x's and o's..........that at least would give the starting qb. some cred - hey, Bernie said "he's the best we have". Best we have doesn't mean "he's the answer", but it would give either DA or BQ some breathing room. Fans respect the heck out of Bernie.
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Look at it like this: he's a qb coach, or a special assistant to the qb coach. We all know Bernie knows what the hell he's talking about when it comes to x's and o's
DIIIIIING! +5 points to the poster from Archbold, Ohio.
IMO, both the Browns AND Bernie missed a golden opportunity since 1999 by not having him in the classroom and on the practice field in an official capacity.
We all know the history, so there's no point in rehashing it now. Suffice it to say that the time may be right for the Browns and Bernie to make something happen. Lord knows that BOTH these QB's could use a bit of what he has to offer.
That said... I wonder if he'd be an effective one-on-one teacher. That is a skill in itself. If you ain't "born with it," it takes a lot of work to develop it. All the knowledge in the world is useless if you can't get your message across to someone else.
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Best we have doesn't mean "he's the answer", but it would give either DA or BQ some breathing room. Fans respect the heck out of Bernie.
Beyond "fan respect," (for whatever that's worth inside 76 Groza Blvd), he's got TONS of football savvy which our current braintrust seems to lack. Not only would his word lend cred to the fans, but his knowledge would be invaluable in the classroom, at practice and on gameday.
Dude's really, really cash-poor right now. Why not float a nice offer to him, and take advantage of his skill set? I can't think of ANY CURRENT NFL QB who couldn't use a guy like Bernie Kosar teaching him every day.
Well... except for maybe Peyton Manning. Even Tom Brady could use his help, now that he's about as mobile as Bernie ever was...
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I don't know that anyone is asking him to run the team
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Director of football operations...
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Fans respect the heck out of Bernie.
But for reasons that don't have anything to do with being a FO kinda guy.
The truth is that most QB's who've played in the NFL know about X's and O's. But KNOWING those things and being able to TEACH and MOTIVATE are very different.
People loved Kosar...........but very few knew he was a BEAR to get along with.....which means nobody has any idea if he's qualified to even be a QB's coach, let alone run an organization.
Most that speak of Bernie for any kind of job do so because they knew he was a smart QB. Outside of that, what information is out there to suggest he can run any kind of business or operate as a high-end manager?
Kosar was and continues to be my all-time favorite player, but above being a QB's coach, I wouldn't feel confident that he'd be part of any solution. He has ZERO experience, just like Matt Millen.
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I think it was self evident in my post that I was not saying give him the checkbook, wasn't it?
The guy knew schemes. He knew defenses, read them, and knew what to run against them.
Does he today? Heck, I don't know. But it's obvious our OC doesn't know either.
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Yeah, but keep in mind I was initially responding to Z who wanted him to be President of Football Ops.
Two different conversations.
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I think I get what you mean,, not that I think Dilfer was much of a mentor.. and Strock was a short term fix when all our QB's went down. I don't remember him being brought in to mentor anyone.
But to have a Kitna type guy who knows he's not going to start unless the ceiling caves in,, but will willingly give his support to a young QB, sure, I'd think that he'd be worth more than a Ratliff at this point.
Someone like Kitna would give Mangini a go to guy to settle the team down, add some consistency and mentor the young guns...
in a perfect world,, I like that..
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the Browns are in full rebuilding mode. Having a vet QB that may not be around in two years and taking practice snaps away from the 3 youngsters would only hinder their development or in this case muddying the water as well. If either BQ or DA was no longer on then team, THEN the logic of having an experienced back-up is obvious. Before that happens one of our QBs needs to establish himself. I'll save the RT turnstile comment for another thread. oops, too late 
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DIIIIIING! +5 points to the poster from Archbold, Ohio.
Archbold is a city in Ohio?  all this time I thought his name was probably Archie or something and he was describing himself as a Bold Dawg
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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We are going to unintended spots and sidetracking some. D-shot, point was in a crisis he kept it going. Look at out QB play across the last 5 with no real development and progress shown, lots of controversy, lousy judgment and very little got better. If you call DA of the three strikes "veteran" I will freely6 admit he is a lousy top-shelf example who has NOT eliminated many of the fundamental knocks on him as far as touch, footwork, drops, and learning not to stare down his receiver and get his reads. He has some Larnin' to do. Neither of these guys have had enough reps to start because of the ballyhooed silliness EM brought to Berea. Game us into some wins first, then water bottles. IF we had a veteran (not as exaggerated as a few posted responses here), I suspect he might be the man; these other two would be benched by many coaches. Why not have a vet to assist in development. We can see how much help Dorsey was; we should never believe Weiss again. Edver. 
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DIIIIIING! +5 points to the poster from Archbold, Ohio.
Archbold is a city in Ohio? all this time I thought his name was probably Archie or something and he was describing himself as a Bold Dawg
LOL, I had always thought that too, until a year or so ago when I read the town of Archbold, Ohio. 
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Archbold is a city in Ohio? all this time I thought his name was probably Archie or something and he was describing himself as a Bold Dawg
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I think calling Archbold a "city" is a pretty loose interpretation. 
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Our mistake was made several years ago when we could have had Warner instead of Dilfer.
JMHO - There was not a similar opportunity out there over the last couple of years. And not this year.
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Our mistake was made several years ago when we could have had Warner instead of Dilfer.
JMHO - There was not a similar opportunity out there over the last couple of years. And not this year.
with Warners penchant for fumbling and getting injured....I am very happy that we did NOT take him in the expansion draft because it would have ruined his illustrious (possibly HOF) career and not helped us much if at all.
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I don't think he was talking about the expansion draft, I think he means RAC and Savages first season (05?)
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I wish they'd hire Kosar as a special consultant to stand on the sidelines with our QB's and then watch game film with them on Mondays.
From what I have heard from Kosar on the radio, and more recently from Michael Reghi on WKNR (on whose show Kosar is a regular), the only position BK has ever been offered by the Browns was as a PR type glad-hander. The kind of position for an ex-player where he drinks with the loge owners during the game ... kind of a NFL style Walmart greeter. This is an insult to a great offensive-football mind, imo. The Lerners used Kosar to win the franchise and then pretty much discarded him.
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DIIIIIING! +5 points to the poster from Archbold, Ohio.
Archbold is a city in Ohio? all this time I thought his name was probably Archie or something and he was describing himself as a Bold Dawg
LOL, I had always thought that too, until a year or so ago when I read the town of Archbold, Ohio.
holy cow, i thought so too, which was funny because i didn't really notice anything "bold" about his posting 
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well.... I wouldn't exactly call it a city, per se... (hehe)
Maybe he does see himself as a bold dawg.
Hey, Arch! Wassuuuuup? Are you bold, dawg?
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Our mistake was made several years ago when we could have had Warner instead of Dilfer.
JMHO - There was not a similar opportunity out there over the last couple of years. And not this year.
We missed out on Drew Brees also.
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Archbold is a city in Ohio? all this time I thought his name was probably Archie or something and he was describing himself as a Bold Dawg
Boy, so many people to respond to..........
Archbold a city? Nah - only 4200-4400 people. I do believe it is technically a village (it's incorporated as such). And, on top of that, I live out in the "country"......120 acre field behind me, about 200 acres of woods behind me and to the west. Then a ditch, and anther, ah, say.......heck, I don't know - the fields are a mile wide, and close to half a mile deep. I do have neighbors, though.
My name is not Archie, nor any other variant of that - Clem can tell you.
Am I a "bold dawg"? Each can answer that for themselves I guess.
I will say, however, there is a more than likely chance that many of you are sitting at a computer desk made here in town. Not guaranteed, but a pretty good chance.
Many of you have eaten food in the last month processed here as well.
But a city? Nah. Clem has been here - at least close to here.
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If Bernie has the capability to effectively teach what he knows to the young ones...yes it would be a good idea. Besides...doesn't he already owe the Browns and RL millions in loans that were not repaid when he filed for bankruptcy?
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"We missed out on Drew Brees also."
Brees was a young but just operated on QB that was up for grabs via Trade of Impact draft Pick/s.
We were a new regime stating that we had to build through the draft and why Savage was hired...we weren't going to use a draft pick.
Warner was a FA - Actually the guy who messed us up was Holcomb...if we didn't want him as our starter maybe we would have gotten Warner, instead when Holcolmb rejected our more than generous offer - we didn't wait and got Dilfer in a trade (4th round pick). At this point we should have signed Warner instead. That was our mistake.
As it turned out he would have been much, much better as our QB mentor and his game is 100% better than any of the QBs we put out there to start. Possibly BQ would have learned better as they are very similar QBs.
But Zona took signed him to a one year contract in 05...and kept him - all the way to the SB.
Brees just was too much of a risk with the surgery...and we were not looking for that starter as much as a Mentor who could play.
JMHO - Dilfer was unimpressive as both.
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JMHO - Dilfer was unimpressive as both.
...and he ain't particularly impressive in the broadcast booth, either...
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I find it hard to believe that nothing has been offered. Perhaps #19 just isnt really interested in coaching.
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