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Mangini urges Browns fans to be patient
By Stephanie Storm
Beacon Journal staff writer

POSTED: 07:34 p.m. EDT, Oct 02, 2009

BEREA: Browns owner Randy Lerner spent the first 30 minutes of practice Friday off to the side chatting with coach Eric Mangini. Although they enjoyed a laugh and appeared to be having a light-hearted conversation, the national media's hailstorm of negativity about the Browns' 0-3 start remains.

Before practice, Mangini had nothing but positives to say about his boss.

''Randy's been great. He's committed to the things that we're equally committed to. When [former Browns coach] Bill [Belichick] first got to New England, there were some tough times there. It was tough at the beginning of the next year. But I know how we approached it, I know the way that we worked. It took time. But when it hit, it hit.''

Mangini went on to urge all Browns followers to believe in the plan in place — even if things get worse before they get better.

''Throughout that whole process, you're improving the team, you're improving as coaches and you're improving the organization,'' Mangini said. ''There are certain things I learned from my experience being here in [Cleveland] in 1995, then transitioning to New York with [Bill] Parcells, then transitioning to New England with [Belichick]. I feel I got a real good perspective on it and was lucky to be around those situations to understand the difficulties you encounter and the importance of having a plan, having a vision and sticking to it.''

But sticking to it isn't always easy, and the temptation is there to take the easy way out.

''Traditionally, taking shortcuts usually doesn't result in long-term success,'' Mangini said. ''All of our parents tell us that all the time and we tell our kids that. You gotta work at it and be committed to it. There's going to be difficult times and challenges you have to overcome. But you work through it, keep at it and good things happen.''

Mangini knows that in trying to rebuild an organization, it will not happen overnight.

''It's a process of building an organization for the long term and getting better in each phase — whether it's coaching, player acquisition, salary cap, operations, video — there's all different components that go into building an organization,'' he said.



Secondary shakeup?

With starting defensive back Brandon McDonald giving up big plays in each game so far, Mike Adams could take over for McDonald at cornerback Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals. Adams also might spell struggling starter Hank Poteat on nickel packages.

''Giving up big plays has to stop,'' Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan said, although not particularly singling out McDonald. ''If we're in a three-deep coverage and they throw deep, we're looking for the turnover not the completion for 18 yards. When you really look at [the problems on defense], it's big plays and missing tackles in the running game that have led to big runs.''

Adams wouldn't say if he will start, but promised to be ready if and when his name is called.

''If they ask me to play corner, I can do it,'' he said. ''I can hold up anywhere.''

Throwing on target

One focus in practice this week has been working with quarterback Derek Anderson to cut down on his interceptions.

''It's important to understand when to take a calculated risk and when to just throw it away and go to the next play,'' Mangini said. ''You never want to take away a quarterback's ability to make a decision based on what he sees. You just want to make him conscious of the difference between this is a good risk and this risk is high-percentage for what the rewards are going to be.''

A part of Anderson's problem could be locking on to a receiver too early.

''What you want to do is be able to anticipate where the route is going to be,'' Mangini said. ''And in doing that, if you know you're going left, being able to bring the coverage over to the right with eyes initially. Some guys can do it for a long time like Brett [Favre]. He's a guy who would stare over here then whip it back over there. Other guys will [give] a smaller look off where they just hold the secondary off for a second [before] coming back to where you're going. Some guys will telegraph it a little more. But they are made aware of it and they work on it.''

Daboll under fire

A portion of the criticism of the Browns from the national media has centered on first-year coordinator Brian Daboll. Daboll, 34, has been under fire for leading an offense that has scored just 29 points so far this season, including a combined nine points in the past two games.

Asked to self-evaluate the job he's done so far, Daboll was blunt.

''[It's] not good enough, not even close to good enough,'' he said. ''We haven't scored but one touchdown. There's been a lot of calls I've been very happy with, and there's some calls I wish I had back.''

Improvement needed

Ryan said he's spent the week looking to ''clean up'' the team's sloppy play on defense.

''Last week with three walk-in runs, that's unacceptable,'' Ryan said. ''Those runs were the result of a lack of communication. But I haven't lost confidence in the fact that we will have a great defense. [And] when it comes together, it's a thing of beauty. But great things, they don't happen overnight.''

Injury report

Although no Browns players were listed as out for Sunday's game, running back Jamal Lewis (hamstring), guard Floyd Womack (ankle) and kicker Phil Dawson (right calf) did not participate in Friday's practice and are listed as doubtful for the game.


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BEREA: Browns owner Randy Lerner spent the first 30 minutes of practice Friday off to the side chatting with coach Eric Mangini. Although they enjoyed a laugh and appeared to be having a light-hearted conversation, the national media's hailstorm of negativity about the Browns' 0-3 start remains.

Before practice, Mangini had nothing but positives to say about his boss.

''Randy's been great. He's committed to the things that we're equally committed to. When [former Browns coach] Bill [Belichick] first got to New England, there were some tough times there. It was tough at the beginning of the next year. But I know how we approached it, I know the way that we worked. It took time. But when it hit, it hit.''

Mangini went on to urge all Browns followers to believe in the plan in place — even if things get worse before they get better.

''Throughout that whole process, you're improving the team, you're improving as coaches and you're improving the organization,'' Mangini said. ''There are certain things I learned from my experience being here in [Cleveland] in 1995, then transitioning to New York with [Bill] Parcells, then transitioning to New England with [Belichick]. I feel I got a real good perspective on it and was lucky to be around those situations to understand the difficulties you encounter and the importance of having a plan, having a vision and sticking to it.''

But sticking to it isn't always easy, and the temptation is there to take the easy way out.

''Traditionally, taking shortcuts usually doesn't result in long-term success,'' Mangini said. ''All of our parents tell us that all the time and we tell our kids that. You gotta work at it and be committed to it. There's going to be difficult times and challenges you have to overcome. But you work through it, keep at it and good things happen.''

Mangini knows that in trying to rebuild an organization, it will not happen overnight.

''It's a process of building an organization for the long term and getting better in each phase — whether it's coaching, player acquisition, salary cap, operations, video — there's all different components that go into building an organization,'' he said.



Secondary shakeup?

With starting defensive back Brandon McDonald giving up big plays in each game so far, Mike Adams could take over for McDonald at cornerback Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals. Adams also might spell struggling starter Hank Poteat on nickel packages.

''Giving up big plays has to stop,'' Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan said, although not particularly singling out McDonald. ''If we're in a three-deep coverage and they throw deep, we're looking for the turnover not the completion for 18 yards. When you really look at [the problems on defense], it's big plays and missing tackles in the running game that have led to big runs.''

Adams wouldn't say if he will start, but promised to be ready if and when his name is called.

''If they ask me to play corner, I can do it,'' he said. ''I can hold up anywhere.''

Throwing on target

One focus in practice this week has been working with quarterback Derek Anderson to cut down on his interceptions.

''It's important to understand when to take a calculated risk and when to just throw it away and go to the next play,'' Mangini said. ''You never want to take away a quarterback's ability to make a decision based on what he sees. You just want to make him conscious of the difference between this is a good risk and this risk is high-percentage for what the rewards are going to be.''

A part of Anderson's problem could be locking on to a receiver too early.

''What you want to do is be able to anticipate where the route is going to be,'' Mangini said. ''And in doing that, if you know you're going left, being able to bring the coverage over to the right with eyes initially. Some guys can do it for a long time like Brett [Favre]. He's a guy who would stare over here then whip it back over there. Other guys will [give] a smaller look off where they just hold the secondary off for a second [before] coming back to where you're going. Some guys will telegraph it a little more. But they are made aware of it and they work on it.''

Daboll under fire

A portion of the criticism of the Browns from the national media has centered on first-year coordinator Brian Daboll. Daboll, 34, has been under fire for leading an offense that has scored just 29 points so far this season, including a combined nine points in the past two games.

Asked to self-evaluate the job he's done so far, Daboll was blunt.

''[It's] not good enough, not even close to good enough,'' he said. ''We haven't scored but one touchdown. There's been a lot of calls I've been very happy with, and there's some calls I wish I had back.''

Improvement needed

Ryan said he's spent the week looking to ''clean up'' the team's sloppy play on defense.

''Last week with three walk-in runs, that's unacceptable,'' Ryan said. ''Those runs were the result of a lack of communication. But I haven't lost confidence in the fact that we will have a great defense. [And] when it comes together, it's a thing of beauty. But great things, they don't happen overnight.''

Injury report

Although no Browns players were listed as out for Sunday's game, running back Jamal Lewis (hamstring), guard Floyd Womack (ankle) and kicker Phil Dawson (right calf) did not participate in Friday's practice and are listed as doubtful for the game.



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Theres a lot in this article to like.

I like how we're planning on shaking things up. And we're actually hearing in public what Anderson's mistakes are. RAC never addressed them, and he didnt improve is much as he should. And i really like that he's trying to work on improving DA's weaknesses and i see no reason as to why he wouldnt improve even more.

im glad theres no complacency in our coaching staff...i see that even if we were winning and doing well, he'd be making the same adjustments and lack of complacency.

Im glad theyre trying EVERYTHING to get this ship righted....its why i believe in Mangini


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Do you think he would try or say anything different than trying to get the ship righted??? C'mon, it's his job....his bread and butter. Of course he is going to say the right things and make changes until things improve or he's out on his ass. I'll believe in him when, in due time, he has placed a winning product on the field.

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Ok, but does it make it any less valid? hell, all he's saying is what many on here have been saying. is it so odd that an experienced HC sees it and addresses it and then says so? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Anyway, that aside, I can appreciate his approach to building for the long haul instead of plugging in for quick fixes..

I believe it's the right way to do things.


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It's good to hear the reminder that this is a rebuilding effort from Mangini. It's going to take time. But really, he just avoided saying the wrong thing.

The best thing to read is that Lerner was at the practice. At least he is not completely absent.

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''Traditionally, taking shortcuts usually doesn't result in long-term success,'' Mangini said. ''All of our parents tell us that all the time and we tell our kids that. You gotta work at it and be committed to it. There's going to be difficult times and challenges you have to overcome. But you work through it, keep at it and good things happen.''




How can this 2-faced clown say THIS with a straight face and then bench Quinn and McDonald for DA and freaking Adams If I were a reporter I would have slammed this bigoted BS right up his face....so, taking shortcuts to save your last NFL gig is ok, huh Cartman? and then he again starts talking about Bellichick and NE....boy, this card is geting old, doesn't it? I'm now 100% sure that is what he sold Randy.....boy, what a moron....the sooner we get rid of both of them, the better off we are

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Im right with ya on this one Steve.

Shep- you choose to be critical of Mangini until he proves to you otherwise,that's fine, but really unfair. So far,I like the approach and the focus by our CS, changing a culture and mindset of an entire team can't always happen overnight, or in this case, 3 games.

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QUOTE Mangini went on to urge all Browns followers to believe in the plan in place — even if things get worse before they get better...

I sure hope the level of play doesnt get any worse than that abomination we saw on Sunday. Mcgahee made our defense look like 100 year old men with walkers on those TD runs, and on one of the DA interceptions the DBs of the Ravens and the WRs from the Browns, ( the ones I saw anyway), were so "unseparated"that I thought they were young lovers going on a stroll. I hope DA can do something, but unless we get better WR play it won't matter who our QB is, and how good they are. We need to probably end the Cribbs experiment, and start Momass. Defensively, I'd like to see Hall and Francies more, at least to see what they can do.

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How can this 2-faced clown say THIS with a straight face and then bench Quinn and McDonald for DA and freaking Adams




Not for nothin, but he benched Quinn because he was not effective. and as of this moment, I don't see where he's said Adams is taking Mcd's place..

Not sure why you are up in arms about that..

I guess I don't get the bigoted comment either..


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Be careful what you wish for, we could get another Modell. If we lose another team, I doubt we get another one back..


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''Traditionally, taking shortcuts usually doesn't result in long-term success,'' Mangini said. ''All of our parents tell us that all the time and we tell our kids that. You gotta work at it and be committed to it. There's going to be difficult times and challenges you have to overcome. But you work through it, keep at it and good things happen.''




How can this 2-faced clown say THIS with a straight face and then bench Quinn and McDonald for DA and freaking Adams If I were a reporter I would have slammed this bigoted BS right up his face....so, taking shortcuts to save your last NFL gig is ok, huh Cartman? and then he again starts talking about Bellichick and NE....boy, this card is geting old, doesn't it? I'm now 100% sure that is what he sold Randy.....boy, what a moron....the sooner we get rid of both of them, the better off we are




i wonder what you think he should have done? you don't like the DA sub? you don't like moving players around on defense? i remember the guy saying this summer this was why he had them all playing multiple positions during camp, that a lot of things could happen and they all should be ready.

just don't see how this particular thing has you knotting up a noose, i don't think he expected quinn to look that bad, and he always said accountability was going to be a focus.


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''Traditionally, taking shortcuts usually doesn't result in long-term success,'' Mangini said. ''All of our parents tell us that all the time and we tell our kids that. You gotta work at it and be committed to it. There's going to be difficult times and challenges you have to overcome. But you work through it, keep at it and good things happen.''




How can this 2-faced clown say THIS with a straight face and then bench Quinn and McDonald for DA and freaking Adams If I were a reporter I would have slammed this bigoted BS right up his face....so, taking shortcuts to save your last NFL gig is ok, huh Cartman? and then he again starts talking about Bellichick and NE....boy, this card is geting old, doesn't it? I'm now 100% sure that is what he sold Randy.....boy, what a moron....the sooner we get rid of both of them, the better off we are





Awe, sounds like somebody is upset their boy got benched.

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How do you get rid of an owner? Just curious.


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BEREA: Browns owner Randy Lerner spent the first 30 minutes of practice Friday off to the side chatting with coach Eric Mangini.




My God............How can Lerner be in two places at once? I thought he only cared about his soccer team.

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Screw that. (Where's a middle-finger smiley when you need it.)

Before free-agency opened, I wanted some good players. Mangini elected to pass on quality, mid-level/high-level free agents and go the rebuilding route. I hated it. However, I can understand it, but it has to be done RIGHT.

So far, 'Gini has done everything BUT make good decisions. He screwed up the QB situation not once (not naming a QB early enough) not twice (not playing either QB in the last game) but thrice (with that idiotic ploy to not reveal the starter). THEN he screwed up the WR situation by giving a damned kick-returner the job when we spent two very high draft picks on wideouts.

So I'll tell ya what Mangini: You take your "patience" talk and shove it up where the sun doesn't shine.

I'll be patient when you show your competent enough to actually formulate and execute a proper rebuilding plan, cause this ain't it you idiot.


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''Throughout that whole process, you're improving the team, you're improving as coaches and you're improving the organization,''

Haven't seen any of that improvement,he speaks of.

"Mangini went on to urge all Browns followers to believe in the plan in place"

Seen enough of these so called plans to know this one ain't any better than all the other ones.
Sorry E,what little hope and patience I had flew out the window the moment you were hired.


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Can anybody on this board tell us for sure just what Eric's plan is?


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He'll announce it right before the season is over so that other organizations won't see us coming


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Maybe But until we know what it is, we have no clue one way or the other so I plan on refraining from praising him or bashing him till we do. Patience, patience, patience.


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Patience is to be preached by the very old to the very young..........I'm in the middle. I gots no payshunce, not for the way 'Genius has come stumbling out of the game.


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I can buy the "building for the longhaul' theory but the draft has got to begin to look more sensible or more of a plan attached to it.

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I guess a few folks that thought you meant one thing found out pretty quick you meant something different.. Good job GM.....


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Mangini wants patience. I want wins. I'll give him what he wants, but if I don't get what I want I will have no problem with him being fired.

After next year.

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''Traditionally, taking shortcuts usually doesn't result in long-term success,'' Mangini said. ''All of our parents tell us that all the time and we tell our kids that. You gotta work at it and be committed to it. There's going to be difficult times and challenges you have to overcome. But you work through it, keep at it and good things happen.''




How can this 2-faced clown say THIS with a straight face and then bench Quinn and McDonald for DA and freaking Adams If I were a reporter I would have slammed this bigoted BS right up his face....so, taking shortcuts to save your last NFL gig is ok, huh Cartman? and then he again starts talking about Bellichick and NE....boy, this card is geting old, doesn't it? I'm now 100% sure that is what he sold Randy.....boy, what a moron....the sooner we get rid of both of them, the better off we are





Awe, sounds like somebody is upset their boy got benched.




Yeah...me...a Quinn fanboy

Putting in DA was the right move....but EM's words and actions still ARE contradictory...that's what makes him "bigoted" btw

I really start feeling pity for Mangini, I really do....I thought he was at least somewhat smart and a decent coach besides winning the "my torso looks like a gigantic ASS"-contest....but I even doubt that by now: he constantly outsmarts himself, gets outcoached (esp at halftime...that's to be expected from a guy with the brain flexibility of Robocop) and can't motivate a thirsty guy in a desert to drink some water....I mean really, what IS he actually GOOD at? Anything? Something? He can't draft, evaluate talent (see FA, see QB debacle, changing CBs, countless roster moves, Cribbs at WR, Royal over Heiden, whoever over Hall, the Jets-rejects etc.), cant gameplan, cant make adjustments and is an awful motivator and his players file grievances against him....can this really get worse? WTF is he good at?

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You're being too reasonable. Torch, or pitchfork? Maybe you can push the hay cart. He turned me into a newt.


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One thing I find amazing about Browns fans is the anti Lerner/Mangini/DA backlash..
The fans here seem to want a warm and fuzzy relationship with their owner/coach/player...and if they don't get it start slinging around the most baseless invective possible.
Fannies in the seats make the owner his scratch,to keep a good supply of fannies,one needs to win.We all know that...I'd take the biggest jerks in the world as my owner.coach and players if they win.I don't need autographs,signed pictures,or happy time Coach radio shows to make me happy. I don't need a weekly press conference from the Owner or the FO to assuage my fears.
Winning will cure all this,I remember at the height of the bq vs DA debates someone actually posted that bq should get the start because he would be a"good face for the franchise". That is a load of bunk...I don't care if DA is surly,if Mangini has the personality of a two week old jack o lantern or if Lerner EVER shows his face...all I want is victories...I am too old for hero worship.

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I mean really, what IS he actually GOOD at? Anything? Something? He can't draft, evaluate talent (see FA, see QB debacle, changing CBs, countless roster moves, Cribbs at WR, Royal over Heiden, whoever over Hall, the Jets-rejects etc.), cant gameplan, cant make adjustments and is an awful motivator and his players file grievances against him....can this really get worse? WTF is he good at?




I hear he makes a mean ham & cheese sammich.


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Damn Dirk, I had to look up two of the words you used in your post. Good word usage but damn.


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I guess a few folks that thought you meant one thing found out pretty quick you meant something different.. Good job GM.....




Ya I still have that same problem of kitty cat footing around things instead of getting right to the point


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Dirk, I don't know where you came from or how you got here, but man, I like your thinking...

damn, I wish I could write like that..

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I remember at the height of the bq vs DA debates someone actually posted that bq should get the start because he would be a"good face for the franchise". That is a load of bunk




Perfect

There was one that made almost as much sense.. the one where Quinn should get the job because he should have been a top 10 pick in the draft...LOL well, he wasn't.. and we may be seeing the reason why.

Cream rises, he hasn't yet. and he may never,


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Oh you are just mr. subtle....


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I gotta work on that


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the sooner we get rid of both of them, the better off we are




Be careful what you wish for, we could get another Modell. If we lose another team, I doubt we get another one back..




It will never happen. The owners would have to vote on it to allow it and then Goodell would have to sign off on it. No owner would let a team walk after buiding a new stadium thats only been played in for 10 years.

If Lerner were to sell, Im sure keeping the team in Cleveland would be etched in stone for the new buyer.

Dont forget that the Lerner family was a minority owner for the first Cleveland team and the contract was signed on Lerners jet to move the team to Baltimore. This was in the works the whole time for the Lerners to be a majority owner in the NFL.

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Winning will cure all this,I remember at the height of the bq vs DA debates someone actually posted that bq should get the start because he would be a"good face for the franchise". That is a load of bunk...I don't care if DA is surly,if Mangini has the personality of a two week old jack o lantern or if Lerner EVER shows his face...all I want is victories...I am too old for hero worship.




You must have been a regular on the main board after they did away with this format when you read that. I dont see any poster here trying to say that in the debates they have here.

Are you from England?

I agree with shep here. When I was reading the article i was thinking the same thing "What do you think he was going to say?" Hes not going to admit hes doing bad at his job. Funny how he wants to make himself public now after staying away from the media this whole time. Same with Lerner showing up. I think this article was set up by the team and not your normal QA article where the reporter asks the questions the coach dont want to here or an interview with mulitple reporters.

I also wish he didnt use Belicheck as an example after he got him in trouble. He gets the guy in trouble but he isnt afraid to use Belicheck on his resume.

Im hoping and rooting for Mangini to turn this around but I thought Lerner didnt go with Pioli because Pioli thought the team needed to rebuild and Lerner wanted someone who thought they could win with these players. I also read on here that Mangini said he could win with Quinn in his interview with Lerner. I guess these next few weeks will tell if he can correct this. Even if your rebuilding, something mangini never would have said before week one, the goal is still to win. Not improve. But at this point, I'll take improve.

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A part of Anderson's problem could be locking on to a receiver too early.






This is the #1 thing that needs to be corrected to beat Cincy. This has been Andersons problem from the end of 07, thru the Pro Bowl, all the way up the second half of last weeks Ravens game. Unless he has always done that and it took the opposing defenses half a season to figure it out, thats what he needs to correct to get back to Pro Bowl form and have a another breakout game against Cincy. Cincy will be waiting for it this time but Ill be watching and would love to see it happen.

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