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It will never happen.
Not for nothin, but that's what was said about Modell and the Browns. Couldn't happen, too much tradition, the NFL wouldn't stand for it, Huge base of Rabid Fans, Sell out crowds no matter what the teams record,
All seemingly as good as the reasons you just gave. And yet, there they went.. off to Baltimore. Go figure.
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If Lerner were to sell, Im sure keeping the team in Cleveland would be etched in stone for the new buyer.
Who would do the etching, Lerner? IF, the man decided to sell this team, why would he care one way or the other.. All he's done is tried to hire good folks, spent any amount of money that was needed, tried anything his football experts recommended. And fans turn on him. What a great group of loyal fans we turned out to me.. 
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Dont forget that the Lerner family was a minority owner for the first Cleveland team and the contract was signed on Lerners jet to move the team to Baltimore. This was in the works the whole time for the Lerners to be a majority owner in the NFL.
I know you are correct about the plane thing,,I don't have any proof you are correct about the plan to have the Browns come back under Lerners ownership.. sounds possible... maybe even probable
But I don't have a clue why you brought it up, not sure it has any bearing on anything now.
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It's like listening to the teacher in a Peanuts cartoon.
...and watching our beloved browns play football is like watching the Peanuts gang play baseball, or Charlie flying a kite. ...and getting excited about football every year makes me feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football.
...but they're the Browns so I gotta love them...
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Mangini has to say that.. I am not convinced he means it but it's what he has to say at this point.. Anything less and he undermines any chance at success we may have. JMO
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I have been a long time lurker on this board as well as others. I did see the post I referenced on this board though I have neither the time nor the energy to sift through the many past posts on the bq VS DA subject to prove to you that this is not a figment of my imagination.
I was born and raised in Akron Ohio, I attended Akron U,though I didn't start college till I was 26 due to a prior military commitment.My Browns memories extend back to the late 60's, and what finally prompted me to chime in and let my voice be heard was the quinn VS DA debate. I hope that my bonafides meet with your approval.
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How can this 2-faced clown say THIS with a straight face and then bench Quinn and McDonald for DA and freaking Adams If I were a reporter I would have slammed this bigoted BS right up his face....so, taking shortcuts to save your last NFL gig is ok, huh Cartman?
I've supported Quinn and still don't think he's done... it's not like he traded him. You have 53 men on the roster, play the best ones, if one isn't performing, put somebody else in.. that doesn't exactly go against his long term vision.... In fact, it sounds smarter than leaving a struggling guy on the field to just get more frustrated.
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and then he again starts talking about Bellichick and NE....boy, this card is geting old, doesn't it? I'm now 100% sure that is what he sold Randy.....boy, what a moron....the sooner we get rid of both of them, the better off we are
Belichick DID struggle in NE, started 0-4 in his first year.. and this was with teams that had been at or over .500 for 4 or 5 years prior and had guys like Bledsoe, Faulk and Glenn... what is wrong with him stating that he knows what it feels like and he uses that as a frame of reference for how to fix it?
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I think Da is a fine QB, no harping on him from me
Edwards im still on the fence with..not good..not bad
Quinn I just don't think he is ready yet...
As for Mangini....I want him GONE at the end of the year...he is the primary reason this team looks like garbage...and Mangini can take Brian Daboll with him...both those guys are awful...Rob Ryan can stay..Ryan is the best Defensive Coordinator we have had here since Foge Fazio...keep Rob Ryan
Mangini is just clueless, the way he botched the QB situation, won't put Robo on the field, just lets us go 0-3 while Quinn can't throw a 4 yard pass, etc...it just goes on and on
I actually wish we would have gave Romeo one more year...the guys fought hard for RAC, and this team would be 3-1 or 2-2 right now if we still had RAC..i believe that...
Mangini is a loser...the guy played "not to lose" late yesterday...and I think that cost us the football game...
a run play on 3rd and 16?...
how about 17 seconds left...4th down, you go for it...you have to atleast TRY to win the game...I have confidence in the 2 minute drill Da could have got us a first down and moved us into position to atleast TRY a game winning field goal at the end of regulation..instead Mangini punts...
I just don't like Mangini's style of coaching or reasoning....he has hired the worst OC I have ever seen...I miss Rob Chudzinski...look at Baltimore...Joe Flacco is running Cam Cameron's Offense (The Same O Chud was running here) as Chud was Cameron's TE coach/Offensive Assistant at SD under Marty
Mangini and Daboll is the 2 biggest reasons this team is sitting at 0-4....
We need a "real" Coach...your telling me Denver is a better team then we are? Josh McDaniels is winning on a team that losts its franchise Qb for petes sake...they look like twice the team we are...
I can't wait until Mangini is out of here...the guy is a loser plain and simple...the sooner we rid our selves of this Cartman clown the better off this franchise will be
Bring back Marty for pete's sake...give the man all the money he wants and 4 year contract and you will see the 80's Browns back in a big hurry...I want a REAL COACH...Mangini is awful....
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Yes I want Marty back
Marty took a lot of flack for things not under his control
The team just didn't come through.....for him against Elway
As for Elway, he did that to ALOT OF TEAMS...he has more combacks then Qb in history I do believe...
Yes I would take back Marty, Marty Coached teams played HARD-NOSED FOOTBALL FOR 60 MINUTES. For 60 minutes, Marty Coached teams BRING IT
Wouldn't you like to beat the Steelers a their own game of rough-housing?
if that sounds appealing to you, you want Marty as your Coach...Marty is INTENSE..even more so than Cowher
Marty actually had his Kansas City chiefs team "Brainwashed" into HATING the Raiders guts with a passion...they hated the Raiders....Marty would bring that to Cleveland and point it in the Steelers directions....
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I will give you that one...the brainwash Raiders thing. If I were a head coach I'd do the same thing when it comes to the Steelers.
Marty has too much of a history of crapping the bed in the playoffs for my taste though.
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I think Da is a fine QB, no harping on him from me
Edwards im still on the fence with..not good..not bad
See, I think DA and BE are cut from the same cloth.. they both make dazzling remarkable plays sometimes, then leave you scratching your head on others... BE gets hit in the chest and drops it on a simple comeback route but then he'll go high over a defender and make a remarkable catch down the field... DA throws a deep pass and drops it in a bucket to a well covered receiver for a long gainer and then will throw a simple crossing route to a wide open guy 4 yards behind him... I don't expect either of them to be perfect, I just think they are very similar in the way they play and that both are inconsistent... They also both have had a habit of disappearing for long periods of time if they don't get off to a fast start.
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I'd rather have Marty than Mangini though. At least Marty could get us to the playoffs. Let's not forget Mangini is 0-1 in the playoffs himself.
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I'd rather have Marty than Mangini though. At least Marty could get us to the playoffs. Let's not forget Mangini is 0-1 in the playoffs himself.
Marty is 68 years old, Mangini is 39... Given the choice, I'd rather have Mangini built it into a success that he can keep going rather than have Marty build it into one and then leave after 2 years...
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Let's see,, Eric Mangini is in his 4th year as a headcoach. He took over a team in NY that wasn't very good,, did fairly well the first year, fell apart the second and was running pretty strong in the 3rd year until his QB's arm fell off.. (still a winning season)
He's 0-4 with the Browns so far this year which of course sucks, but he didn't exactly inherit a winning program here.
4 games in and people want to throw him out of town...,
Now I may not be the brightest bulb in the lamp,, but that's just stupid.
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4 games in and people want to throw him out of town...,
Believe it or not...he IS that bad...and that's from someone who gave RAC 3 years
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4 games in and people want to throw him out of town...,
Believe it or not...he IS that bad...and that's from someone who gave RAC 3 years
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4 games in and people want to throw him out of town...,
Believe it or not...he IS that bad...and that's from someone who gave RAC 3 years
PLUS,,, if Brett Favre's arm didn't fall off, he'd still be in NY....
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4 games in and people want to throw him out of town...,
Believe it or not...he IS that bad...and that's from someone who gave RAC 3 years
PLUS,,, if Brett Favre's arm didn't fall off, he'd still be in NY....
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Believe it or not...he IS that bad...and that's from someone who gave RAC 3 years
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree.. I guess you are saying that because you gave RAC 3 years, you aren't prone to rash decisions.. well, 4 games in, and you think Mangini is bad,,, tells me just the opposite..
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PLUS,,, if he WAS that good,,, he'd still be in NY....
are you sure about that,,, I mean 100 % sure. would you bet your house on it, would you bet your last dollar on it.. Would you bet this years income on that?
There are stories to the contrary you know...
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well, 4 games in, and you think Mangini is bad,,, tells me just the opposite..
He thought Mangini was bad a lot earlier than that.
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Believe it or not...he IS that bad...and that's from someone who gave RAC 3 years
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree.. I guess you are saying that because you gave RAC 3 years, you aren't prone to rash decisions.. well, 4 games in, and you think Mangini is bad,,, tells me just the opposite..
 this is the 11th yr. and we're still in the same boat...
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He thought Mangini was bad a lot earlier than that.
that actually makes it worse..
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this is the 11th yr. and we're still in the same boat...
So tell me again, what that has to do with Mangini,,, he's coached 4 games for the browns,, are you saying it's his fault we've had 11 years of garbage as a team?
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PLUS,,, if he WAS that good,,, he'd still be in NY....
are you sure about that,,, I mean 100 % sure. would you bet your house on it, would you bet your last dollar on it.. Would you bet this years income on that?
There are stories to the contrary you know...
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I'm just gonna chime in on this subject one time. Some of the guys on here have the most pessmistic and pathetic attitudes I have ever seen. Seriously for you guys that are complaining about DA not geting the win. Do you think Brady Quinn would have done any better?!?! If not then just shut up and deal with this year. I don't understand how the media can think we have the best fans in the NFL. I gues it's a good thing they don't read these message boards.
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No, but it means that Mangini is the one that gets to hear about it. He's been brought in to win games, end of story.
It may still do it for you, but for me the "Patience Meter" no longer gets reset with each new coach that we recycle this franchise to. I don't care that it is their first year, I don't care that they feel the cupboard is bare and that they need a bunch of new players, etc... Produce Wins or Go the Hell Home.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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this is the 11th yr. and we're still in the same boat...
So tell me again, what that has to do with Mangini,,, he's coached 4 games for the browns,, are you saying it's his fault we've had 11 years of garbage as a team?
nope no his fault,, we hire loosers...or wanna be's...
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You'd think we'd buy a wrench or a screwdriver by now.
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Seriously for you guys that are complaining about DA not geting the win. Do you think Brady Quinn would have done any better?!?!
It's not about Brady Quinn at all.... and it's only partially about DA... The Browns had a game handed to them for the taking, and they couldn't take it... and the biggest reason is because the offense couldn't capitalize on the opportunities it was given... So I understand that many are happy we played a competitive game, some are happy that our offense moved the ball, lots of people are happy for lots of reasons but in the end, we lost a very winnable game... I'm sorry some people keep pointing that out.
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Case in Point:
Cribbs hands the Offense the ball on the Bengals 14 yard line in the 4th Quarter...... and all we can manage is a Field Goal.
If we get the TD there, that's the ballgame. They'd have been down 10 with 6:49-ish left to play... their TD that follows is thus moot and we get to burn the clock at the end.
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Case in Point:
Cribbs hands the Offense the ball on the Bengals 14 yard line in the 4th Quarter...... and all we can manage is a Field Goal.
If we get the TD there, that's the ballgame. They'd have been down 10 with 6:49-ish left to play... their TD that follows is thus moot and we get to burn the clock at the end.
That's bad but at least we got points.. In the second quarter Cribbs runs a kickoff back to the 34.. almost in FG range.. we fumble and it's returned for a TD the other way.. very easily at least a 10 point swing...
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Cribbs hands the Offense the ball on the Bengals 14 yard line in the 4th Quarter...... and all we can manage is a Field Goal.
If we get the TD there, that's the ballgame. They'd have been down 10 with 6:49-ish left to play... their TD that follows is thus moot and we get to burn the clock at the end.
No fumble for a td, game over, right?
Golly, it's easy to look back and say "if if if", but one thing I have noticed in the threads from Sunday evening and today - I haven't come across very many people that have said "the fumble for a td cost us the game", yet I have seen many people saying things like "DA's interception cost us the game", etc etc etc.
Now, I've not read all the threads yet, so maybe I'll see where JH gets the blame for the loss - but I doubt it.
Here's the bottom line: DA played decent. The O looked sharp for the most part. The D did okay. We are not a good team yet, but we looked head and shoulders better than we had the previous 3 weeks, and no one can deny that.
Why was that? I don't know. I'm not paid to know, nor will I profess to know. We did. And we lost. And most are trying to blame DA for it.
As I said, I've yet to see anyone post that JH lost the game for us.............
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And most are trying to blame DA for it.
... and some of us are trying to discuss it outside the context of the QB and are just blaming the offense in general while others continue to focus on the QB.
Browns is the Browns
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As is usually the case their were breakdowns in all aspects of the offense and defense at times that cost us the game. This loss can not be blamed on any one individual, just like any win isn't the result of one single player. It's a team sport, and our team was just not good enough yesterday to get the job done.
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And most are trying to blame DA for it.
... and some of us are trying to discuss it outside the context of the QB and are just blaming the offense in general while others continue to focus on the QB.
Maybe some of you are, but most aren't. Okay, check that - there are a few posters that post incessantly about the qb from this game and how he cost us the game - so maybe that's not most people, but it is most posts.
And one of them is a guy that constantly attempts to ridicule others because he "knows more about football than anyone else".
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And one of them is a guy that constantly attempts to ridicule others because he "knows more about football than anyone else".
If he only had a clue.
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