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Jason Campbell is 9th in the league with a 92.5 rating this year. I guess i am just not satisfied to have the 30th best QB in the league as our starter.
Do you watch Jason Campbell play football? He is an improved version of Brady Quinn (Not by far)
Would you rather have a QB who plays it safe (Like Brady) or a QB who keeps a defense honest.
There is more to the game then Stats my friend. If you want stats, go back to 2007 when DA Was QB...3,700 Yards 28 TD's I believe and NO PLAYOFFS.
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yup, you could feel it after we went three and out with a chance to put it away when Cribbs ran the punt back to the 15. That was the chance to throw the knockout, we gained 1 yard.
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I think this game shows us exactly why DA isn't the answer. He is simply too inaccurate, too happy footed, and too prone to interceptions (like the one in the end zone where he stared at the TE the whole play). I am not a Quinn backer by any means, as I don't think he is the answer either, but it is quite apparent after last year that DA simply is not going to ever get us to the playoffs. Winnable game and DA/Mangini blow it.
Step away from the drugs, please. 
DA made a ton of great throws today. If you didn't notice, it's a TEAM sport, the TEAM has to get better.
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Yes, the great 2007 season. The one in which DA was #17 in the league (so middle of the pack at his peak) and personally cost us the playoffs with that puke of a performance against a terrible Bengals team. So, Anderson at his absolute best is #17 in the league and people here are advocating for him as the messiah. I guess Quinn did one thing well...he made DA look good.
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DA can get us to where we want to go.. and that is the playoffs... I believe that..
We just couldn't get any thing to go our way in OT that would lead to points..
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Yes, the great 2007 season. The one in which DA was #17 in the league (so middle of the pack at his peak) and personally cost us the playoffs with that puke of a performance against a terrible Bengals team. So, Anderson at his absolute best is #17 in the league and people here are advocating for him as the messiah. I guess Quinn did one thing well...he made DA look good.
Yes Yes, DA Rookie season where are rookies are expected to number 1 in your eyes...
How abotu you give him time instead of being a horrible Browns fan?
Since you like stats, check out how long it took Peyton to get good...No Wait...
Look at DREW BREES...
Holla at me when you check that out
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for whatever reason.. players don't get those "learning experiences" anymore...
Really don't know why.. but every team wants to WIN NOW.. like there is no time to grow/groom a player... especially at QB.
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for whatever reason.. players don't get those "learning experiences" anymore...
Really don't know why.. but every team wants to WIN NOW.. like there is no time to grow/groom a player... especially at QB.
We have been trying to "Win Now" since 64'
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In that fateful December game, the QBs played as follows:
Anderon went 29-48 (60.4%), 251 yards, 2 TDs and 4 INTs
Carson Palmer went 11-21 (52%) for 115 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs.
Neither QB played well in the extremely windy conditions. Also ... if you remember that game .... for some reason the Browns were passing in this mess with less than 2 minutes left in the 1st half ...... and Anderson was picked twice in that 2 minute span. For some really unknown reason, after the 1st pick and ensuing Bengals TD .... we decided to pass again with something like 47 seconds left ....... and it was picked, and the Bengals scored again ......
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nrtu...
and ive avoided this whole thread...
DA isnt the answer....he gets us to the point where we can win a game. 4 times we have first downs missed and 3 of which could have led to game winning scores...2 hit facemasks and 2 hit numbers...he throws 1 bad INT where he thought Heiden was gonna step in front of the DB...and hes not the answer?
get out of here...
these conversations are unbelieveable. We have a WR go for 148, a RB go for 120ish, and a QB have us in position to win a number of times against a Cincy team thats 1 play from being 4-0 and we're thinking DA isnt the answer?
What i saw today was a team thats about a RT, an LB, and a couple DBs from being very very good. period. DA is the answer...period. go ahead and hate...but yall arent right
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I'm just gonna let someone else rip you to shreds for this...
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nrtu...
and ive avoided this whole thread...
DA isnt the answer....he gets us to the point where we can win a game. 4 times we have first downs missed and 3 of which could have led to game winning scores...2 hit facemasks and 2 hit numbers...he throws 1 bad INT where he thought Heiden was gonna step in front of the DB...and hes not the answer?
get out of here...
these conversations are unbelieveable. We have a WR go for 148, a RB go for 120ish, and a QB have us in position to win a number of times against a Cincy team thats 1 play from being 4-0 and we're thinking DA isnt the answer?
What i saw today was a team thats about a RT, an LB, and a couple DBs from being very very good. period. DA is the answer...period. go ahead and hate...but yall arent right
We are much much further from being very very good than a RT, a LB, and a couple of DBs. You could also include 2 more line backers, a tight end, another wide receiver, and a running back. Then when you see all of that together, you may need a QB, another defensive lineman and perhaps a new LG and NT because it'll take so long to acquire it.
This is not going to be a quick, easy process.
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Kingsteve.. I'm with you...
We as Browns fans are always looking for the Peyton manning, Adrian Peterson, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Troy P. to come to Cleveland... We can win it all without those guys...
DA showed that he deserves the starting spot over Quinn, and until Anderson falls apart... He will be the starter..
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j/c... DA played a good game today. The DA lovers will say he played great. The DA haters will say he played bad. He didn't play either of those two things. He played GOOD. Played "great" between the 20's, and played below average in the red zone. We had the ball in the red zone 5 times, and scored 20 points. That's 4 points per red zone trip. That's not going to the get the job done. With that said, I like a lot of the things I saw with DA today, and I hope with more reps, the red zone inneficiency will correct itself. All in all, DA played a good game, and I like what I saw in him going forward. Let's just hope "Bad DA" is a thing of the past. 
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I'm just gonna let someone else rip you to shreds for this...
Is he talkin about the same guy who should get an assist on his own sack?
DA played decent, I'll say he's not the long term answer but will get this season to play himself out of it. I'd hope he doesn't, but think he will.
sorry, I'd like both to just go away and we never have discussion on either again. It's just old and tiring and brings the team and fans down and pitted against one another.
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Good post. Completely agree. 
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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DA played a good game today. The DA lovers will say he played great. The DA haters will say he played bad. He didn't play either of those two things. He played GOOD.
Played "great" between the 20's, and played below average in the red zone. We had the ball in the red zone 5 times, and scored 20 points. That's 4 points per red zone trip. That's not going to the get the job done.
With that said, I like a lot of the things I saw with DA today, and I hope with more reps, the red zone inneficiency will correct itself.
All in all, DA played a good game, and I like what I saw in him going forward. Let's just hope "Bad DA" is a thing of the past.
I think DA played a decent game.. al though I have trouble seeing DA is the answer, he has been inconsistent.. What I saw from him today is what he has already shown us.. He has a great accurate long ball... however he still cannot throw short accurate throws.. he needs to start learning to lead his receiver to the ball and stop throwing it behind them.. I guess he is getting a little bit better because he is at least hitting their back shoulders.. but he needs to start placing the ball in front of them, especially his TE's and Rb's... He cannot expect his receivers to make circus catches all the time because that is just going to lead to tipped passes and INT's...
What I did see improvement on was that he did actually throw the ball away a few times instead of trying to force a play.. I'm still weery that the other DA will show up.. which is still more exciting to what we saw from quinn though not as good..
BUt overall it was a hard fought game and we fell into the same trap of playing not to lose.. which is not cutting it.. we need to have more fight.
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I will just say that I thought DA played alot better than Quinn would have, that is not saying he played great.
I do agree with an earlier poster that said to look how long it took Drew Brees to be what he is now tho.(not saying DA will ever be Brees but we may as well go with it this year and see what happens)
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I will just say that I thought DA played alot better than Quinn would have, that is not saying he played great.
I do agree with an earlier poster that said to look how long it took Drew Brees to be what he is now tho.(not saying DA will ever be Brees but we may as well go with it this year and see what happens)
If DA will work and actually fix his short game by throwing accurately and have more faith in his pocket... he will be as good as brees... unfortunately i doubt that will happen
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We lost this game because the Bengals are a more talented team. That's all there is to it.
No we didn't. We lost because of two plays.. a fumble returned for a TD and an INT in the redzone which cost us points.... Other than those 2 plays, our lesser talented team outplayed them pretty much the entire game in every facet...
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I love all the DA love out there (comparing him to Brees, really?). His career rating is 73.7 and that is through 2 full seasons worth of games. He is what he is and that is a bottom third NFL QB. We need to draft a QB high. Our OL is good enough to provide a rook with protection and while we need a running game too, RB's can come into the league and dominate from the start so e can wait til we have our QB. The goal here is winning a superbowl, not missing the playoffs, which is about as good as Anderson will ever be.
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I will just say that I thought DA played alot better than Quinn would have, that is not saying he played great.
I do agree with an earlier poster that said to look how long it took Drew Brees to be what he is now tho.(not saying DA will ever be Brees but we may as well go with it this year and see what happens)
If DA will work and actually fix his short game by throwing accurately and have more faith in his pocket... he will be as good as brees... unfortunately i doubt that will happen
Please show me where he was so bad on short passes. i have seen a much improved short passing game from him dating back to last year. No, I'm not saying he played well last year, just that his short passing game has improved.
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I thought he looked good on short passes today. I only saw some of the game though, so maybe I missed some bad ones.
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No his short passes looked pretty good there were some drops and a few a little behind targets, but better than previous years. IMO
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I thought he looked good on short passes today. I only saw some of the game though, so maybe I missed some bad ones.
He had a couple dropped, he had a couple where he just threw the ball too soon and they actually zinged by the receiver (or in one case hit the receiver in the facemask) before they could get their head around, and he had the INT where he thought Heiden was going to sit down on the goalline and Heiden kept running...
I think with a little more practice with the receivers DA could look better than he did today.... I think his short game was ok, he did hit a defensive end in the chest on a screen pass and he was inaccurate on a few throws.. overall I'd give him a B... I just think after watching our offense for 3 weeks go nowhere, some people are going a little overboard with how "good" he played.
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Hater.
You know it's amazing. We could have Jesus olaying quarterback on this team and he would get picked apart and critiqued every week.
If it wasn't for DA , Cribbs and our defense we wouldn't have even been in the game to come close to winning it.
Damn I mean c;mon DA played a good game today and you won't even give him that? I'm so tired of Cleveland fans obsession with the quarterback, nothing is ever good enough.
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Hater.
You know it's amazing. We could have Jesus olaying quarterback on this team and he would get picked apart and critiqued every week.
If it wasn't for DA , Cribbs and our defense we wouldn't have even been in the game to come close to winning it.
Damn I mean c;mon DA played a good game today and you won't even give him that? I'm so tired of Cleveland fans obsession with the quarterback, nothing is ever good enough.
I wouldn't say he had a good game. You can NOT throw that pick in the endzone. Can't do it.
BUT he's miles better than Quinn.
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Even with the pick he had a good game imo.
If you classify it as terrible, bad, good and great. I'd say he had a good game.
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If you classify it as terrible, bad, good and great. I'd say he had a good game.
You need a choice between bad and good. I don't think he played "bad", he threw for a lot of yards and provided a spark.. but you can't have the field position we had, put up almost 400 yards.. and score 20 points... and still call it "good"..
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Our special teams were outstanding.. our defense was outstanding... our offense let us down because they couldn't finish.. not only couldn't they score, they gave up 7 points... I'm not putting it all on DA.. but the fact is, our defense and special teams did MORE than enough to win this game..
Do you realize that in regulation....
we were inside their 40.. 8 times? we were inside their 20.. 5 times... we scored 20 points.
To compare, they crossed midfield 3 times the whole freakin' game... and scored 20 points.
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I don't think you are giving Cinci's D enough credit. They are much improved and played pretty stout. Everytime we got comfortable and got it into the redzone, they turned it up a notch and made a big play.
I also don't believe the playcalling in the redzone was all that great.
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We lost this game because the Bengals are a more talented team. That's all there is to it.
No we didn't. We lost because of two plays.. a fumble returned for a TD and an INT in the redzone which cost us points.... Other than those 2 plays, our lesser talented team outplayed them pretty much the entire game in every facet...
Following the INT, the defense forced a 3 and out and the Browns scored a TD on the next drive.
It wasn't some huge "game changer".
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No we didn't. We lost because of two plays.. a fumble returned for a TD and an INT in the redzone which cost us points.... Other than those 2 plays, our lesser talented team outplayed them pretty much the entire game in every facet...
Following the INT, the defense forced a 3 and out and the Browns scored a TD on the next drive.
It wasn't some huge "game changer".
Any time you give up potential points it's a game changer.
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A good game? 68.8 passer rating is now a good game? There seems to be either a view that every post critical of DA is therefore supporting of Quinn or a real low bar for what constitutes good around here. Cribbs and the D gave us the kind of performance that with a "good" QB would have been a blowout, but we settle for an OT loss (so far the highlight of the season). This team needs a real QB above and beyond anything else (well, maybe after a real coach).
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A good game? 68.8 passer rating is now a good game? There seems to be either a view that every post critical of DA is therefore supporting of Quinn or a real low bar for what constitutes good around here. Cribbs and the D gave us the kind of performance that with a "good" QB would have been a blowout, but we settle for an OT loss (so far the highlight of the season). This team needs a real QB above and beyond anything else (well, maybe after a real coach).
Carson Palmer posted a 52.3 rating against one of the worst defenses in the NFL today  ...... and he is considered by 90% of NFL analysis as a real NFL QB! Give me a break guy!
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Lying gets you nowhere. Palmer was 73.1. Why don't you check your facts first.
Also here's an interesting fact - you know who had a higher rating than DA at this point in their career.....Tim Couch.
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Wow, just wow. We basically played our best game of the entire season. Played well enough to actually inspire some hope for next week, and the week after; and here is a "fan," nitpicking about what? QB ratings? Who cares? This team played their hearts out and came up short. They were productive on all sides of the ball and have plenty to build on for next week. And you come on here to blast the QB. That is ridiculous.  What do you want from this team? We finally did something to inspire some hope for the season and you are ripping them. That is just plain dumb.
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Not to play Devil's advocate people but OF COURSE he's not the answer. He's always going to be a streaky boom-bust player, a gun slinger in the mold of Brett Farve without the luck, talent and supporting cast. That said I think he's exactly what we need for right now. Look, we're not a QB away from a playoff squad. One thing Savage said that I really did agree with is that you build a team around a QB, not through one. I think DA is an ok QB who loses focus and throws 3 picks occasionally and turns in a stellar performance occasionally but is very hard to rely on. A near perfect backup, not unlike Holcomb. I don't think Quinn will ever be a great starter and should be moved for whatever perceived equity he still has. DA is the perfect place holder for the next year and a half at least. Not a franchise guy. I say it with all due respect... DA with the wildcard game on the line, forth and ten at the 11 yard line, down by six with 20 seconds on the clock... If I HAD to bet $100... Sorry, I'm putting my money on the INT/Incomplete/sack, and not the TD for the win.
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I wouldn't say that, they executed better when they had to. We played to their level, but couldn't finish it off.
I knew the pick in the endzone would haunt us, and it did, but we still had our chance in that game. Guys couldn't make plays when they had to. The defense made a lot of stops in the OT period, but their last attempt on 4th, they lost containment and Palmer took off.
I liked what I saw out of the team today, but it's still not enough. Improvement is welcomed, I just hope we continue in that direction and do not regress.
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