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We lost this game because the Bengals are a more talented team. That's all there is to it.
I wouldn't say that, they executed better when they had to. We played to their level, but couldn't finish it off.
I knew the pick in the endzone would haunt us, and it did, but we still had our chance in that game. Guys couldn't make plays when they had to. The defense made a lot of stops in the OT period, but their last attempt on 4th, they lost containment and Palmer took off.
I liked what I saw out of the team today, but it's still not enough. Improvement is welcomed, I just hope we continue in that direction and do not regress.
I think calling a run play on 3rd and 16 close to the redzone haunted us more.. at that point we gave up trying to win.. They were playing for the fieldgoal.. Call a passing play.. i mean what's the worse that can happen? a sack would have still had us in FG range.. though he could have thrown an INT but then again our RB could have fumbled it as well.. If you are playing for the FG there.. just go for the FG on 3rd down..
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I love all the DA love out there
Get a frickin' life other than your DA hatin' one track mind. If you actually read the posts, nobody's saying DA's the savior that will lead us to greatness. He moved the chains and kept the O on the field....which we haven't seen this year.
We played competitively for the first time this season....and very few people were expecting it. You make it sound like we did it in spite of DA, which is total BS.
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Tux- I remember that play. We were in the stands scratching our heads with that call. I hate giving up.
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If you classify it as terrible, bad, good and great. I'd say he had a good game.
You need a choice between bad and good. I don't think he played "bad", he threw for a lot of yards and provided a spark.. but you can't have the field position we had, put up almost 400 yards.. and score 20 points... and still call it "good"..
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If it wasn't for DA , Cribbs and our defense we wouldn't have even been in the game to come close to winning it.
Our special teams were outstanding.. our defense was outstanding... our offense let us down because they couldn't finish.. not only couldn't they score, they gave up 7 points... I'm not putting it all on DA.. but the fact is, our defense and special teams did MORE than enough to win this game..
Do you realize that in regulation....
we were inside their 40.. 8 times? we were inside their 20.. 5 times... we scored 20 points.
To compare, they crossed midfield 3 times the whole freakin' game... and scored 20 points.
I posted this in another thread where you seemed to be dismissing DA because of not scoring when he was given great field position
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Anderson played well enough to keep us in the game....
Our defense and special teams played well enough to keep Anderson in the game... He had a really nice drive of 77 yards for a TD, a decent drive of 38 yards for a TD.. and he threw an INT in the endzone... He scored 14 points and cost us points. Our other 2 FGs came without picking up a first down so therefore I give no credit to the offense but rather the people who put the ball in that position...
I keep reading this so lts take a loser look at the Browns drives...
# 1-10-CLE 20 (8:15) 35-J.Harrison left tackle to CLV 23 for 3 yards (55-K.Rivers).
# 2-7-CLE 23 (7:41) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short left to 17-B.Edwards.
# 3-7-CLE 23 (7:36) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 87-M.Furrey.
# 4-7-CLE 23 (7:30) 15-D.Zastudil punts 39 yards to CIN 38, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, out of bounds.
3 and out. His second down pass should have been completed. Third down pass wasn't close. I don't think DA should be to blame for the three and out. He did have an opportunity to extend it but threw a bad pass.
40. 1-10-CIN 34 (:25) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 35-J.Harrison to CIN 27 for 7 yards (58-R.Maualuga, 94-D.Peko).
41. END QUARTER 1
# 2nd Quarter
1. Cleveland Browns continues ...
2. 2-3-CIN 27 (15:00) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 21 for 6 yards (94-D.Peko, 58-R.Maualuga).
3. 1-10-CIN 21 (14:26) 35-J.Harrison left tackle to CIN 20 for 1 yard (29-L.Hall). FUMBLES (29-L.Hall), RECOVERED by CIN-91-R.Geathers at CIN 25. 91-R.Geathers for 75 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Great field position. DA hits a seven yard pass. Two runs by Harrison, second resulting in a fumble.
DA is at zero fault
# 1-10-CLE 16 (14:03) 35-J.Harrison left tackle to CLV 18 for 2 yards (98-A.Odom, 42-C.Crocker).
# 2-8-CLE 18 (13:22) 3-D.Anderson pass deep right to 11-M.Massaquoi ran ob at CLV 48 for 30 yards.
# 1-10-CLE 48 (12:50) 35-J.Harrison left tackle to CIN 45 for 7 yards (57-Dh.Jones).
# 2-3-CIN 45 (12:15) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 43 for 2 yards (94-D.Peko, 41-C.Ndukwe).
# 3-1-CIN 43 (11:38) 3-D.Anderson up the middle to CIN 42 for 1 yard (94-D.Peko).
# 1-10-CIN 42 (11:01) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 17-B.Edwards.
# 2-10-CIN 42 (10:54) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short middle to 82-S.Heiden (91-R.Geathers).
# 3-10-CIN 42 (10:50) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 87-M.Furrey.
# 4-10-CIN 42 (10:46) 15-D.Zastudil punts 32 yards to CIN 10, Center-64-R.Pontbriand. 12-Q.Cosby to CIN 13 for 3 yards (54-B.Costanzo).
Nice little drive. Last three balls were incomplete. The one to Edwards was thrown were only he had a chance.He rolled out and was under duress. The DB had the play read. I think it was a smart throw. Throw to Heiden??? i don't remember..Do you? Throw to Furry...Hit him right out of the cut in his helmet. i believe Fuerry was credited with a drop. I think it was a tough ball to catch and timing was an issue. DA was to blame in this drive stalling but he didn't look bad.
# 1-10-CLE 31 (8:57) 35-J.Harrison right tackle to CLV 35 for 4 yards (22-J.Joseph).
# 2-6-CLE 35 (8:20) 3-D.Anderson pass deep left to 11-M.Massaquoi to CIN 41 for 24 yards (29-L.Hall).
# 1-10-CIN 41 (7:38) 35-J.Harrison right guard to CIN 40 for 1 yard (57-Dh.Jones).
# 2-9-CIN 40 (6:54) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete deep right to 11-M.Massaquoi.
# Timeout #2 by CLV at 06:48.
# 3-9-CIN 40 (6:48) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short left to 84-R.Royal.
# 4-9-CIN 40 (6:43) 15-D.Zastudil punts 30 yards to CIN 10, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, fair catch by 12-Q.Cosby.
3rd down ball would have been a 1st down if Royal would have caught it. It hit Royal in both hands (actually I think the back side of his chest between his hands) and should have been caught. It was not a perfect throw but very catch-able. A completion does put them in field goal range and a 1st down. Doesn't mean the score but DA did put them in position....
# 1-10-CLE 43 (6:28) 3-D.Anderson sacked at CLV 31 for -12 yards (41-C.Ndukwe). Harrison lateral back to Anderson
# 2-22-CLE 31 (5:57) 35-J.Harrison right guard to CLV 35 for 4 yards (94-D.Peko, 55-K.Rivers).
# 3-18-CLE 35 (5:14) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short left to 16-J.Cribbs (93-M.Johnson).
# 4-18-CLE 35 (5:10) 15-D.Zastudil punts 55 yards to CIN 10, Center-64-R.Pontbriand. 12-Q.Cosby to CIN 14 for 4 yards (41-R.Ventrone, 27-N.Sorensen).
Terrible possession starting with good field position. Flea flicker was blown up from the get go. Could DA have audibled out of it to a better play? Was the play still the right call but poorly executed?
Third down was a screen I believe. I looked like it might have had a shot to gain some yards but DA didn't loft the pass and the jumping lineman nearly picked it. I'm not really a big fan of lofting balls side to side. I did see Quinn do this on a play that had great success.
DA certainly didn't look very good.
# 1-10-CIN 38 (3:19) 35-J.Harrison right guard to CIN 38 for no gain (91-R.Geathers).
# 2-10-CIN 38 (2:38) 35-J.Harrison right guard to CIN 30 for 8 yards (41-C.Ndukwe).
# Two-Minute Warning
# 3-2-CIN 30 (2:00) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 11-M.Massaquoi for 30 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Assistant challenged the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was REVERSED. 3-D.Anderson pass deep right to 11-M.Massaquoi to CIN 1 for 29 yards. WATCH HIGHLIGHT
# 1-1-CIN 1 (1:33) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 82-S.Heiden for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
Nothing wrong with a TD.
# 1-10-CLE 34 (:17) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 35-J.Harrison pushed ob at CLV 41 for 7 yards (59-B.Johnson).
# 2-3-CLE 41 (:10) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 87-M.Furrey to CIN 45 for 14 yards (59-B.Johnson).
# Timeout #3 by CLV at 00:02.
# 1-10-CIN 45 (:02) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 35-J.Harrison to CIN 27 for 18 yards (57-Dh.Jones).
# END QUARTER 2
Two minute drill and DA didn't score any points for the other team. 
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# 17-S.Graham kicks 65 yards from CIN 30 to CLV 5. 16-J.Cribbs to CLV 25 for 20 yards (52-A.Hodge).
# 1-10-CLE 25 (14:55) 35-J.Harrison right tackle pushed ob at CLV 41 for 16 yards (55-K.Rivers).
# Timeout #1 by CLV at 14:24.
# 1-10-CLE 41 (14:24) 3-D.Anderson pass short middle to 35-J.Harrison to CLV 46 for 5 yards (57-Dh.Jones). PENALTY on CLV-65-E.Steinbach, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at CLV 41 - No Play.
# 1-20-CLE 31 (13:56) 3-D.Anderson pass deep middle to 11-M.Massaquoi to 50 for 19 yards (42-C.Crocker).
# 2-1- (13:12) 34-C.Jennings left guard to CIN 42 for 8 yards (55-K.Rivers).
# 1-10-CIN 42 (12:27) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 34-C.Jennings to CIN 40 for 2 yards (91-R.Geathers, 90-P.Sims).
# 2-8-CIN 40 (11:39) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 82-S.Heiden to CIN 36 for 4 yards (55-K.Rivers).
# 3-4-CIN 36 (10:54) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 84-R.Royal to CIN 29 for 7 yards (57-Dh.Jones).
# Timeout #1 by CIN at 10:21.
# 1-10-CIN 29 (10:21) 35-J.Harrison right tackle to CIN 8 for 21 yards (41-C.Ndukwe).
# 1-8-CIN 8 (9:37) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 17-B.Edwards.
# 2-8-CIN 8 (9:33) 35-J.Harrison right end to CIN 8 for no gain (22-J.Joseph).
# 3-8-CIN 8 (8:49) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short right intended for 82-S.Heiden INTERCEPTED by 22-J.Joseph at CIN 0. 22-J.Joseph to CIN 32 for 32 yards (17-B.Edwards). Cleveland challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #2 at 08:38.)
Good drive with a bad result. Bad throw to Edwards on 2nd down??? Bad pick on 3rd. Some are saying DA thought Heiden was suppose to sit instead of braking to the outside. I am choosing to blame DA for not looking off of Heiden and throwing a bad pass. I will change my mind if I hear different.
# 1-10-CLE 23 (7:14) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 11-M.Massaquoi to CLV 43 for 20 yards (42-C.Crocker, 57-Dh.Jones).
# 1-10-CLE 43 (6:30) 35-J.Harrison right tackle to CLV 45 for 2 yards (92-F.Rucker).
# 2-8-CLE 45 (5:47) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 11-M.Massaquoi to CIN 42 for 13 yards (29-L.Hall).
# 1-10-CIN 42 (5:03) 16-J.Cribbs right end ran ob at CIN 27 for 15 yards (55-K.Rivers). end around to Cribbs
# 1-10-CIN 27 (4:32) 35-J.Harrison right guard to CIN 20 for 7 yards (42-C.Crocker, 55-K.Rivers).
# 2-3-CIN 20 (3:49) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 6 for 14 yards (41-C.Ndukwe, 29-L.Hall). Penalty on CIN-90-P.Sims, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, offsetting. Penalty on CLV-17-B.Edwards, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, offsetting.
# 1-6-CIN 6 (3:06) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 17-B.Edwards.
# 2-6-CIN 6 (3:00) 35-J.Harrison right guard to CIN 6 for no gain (42-C.Crocker).
# 3-6-CIN 6 (2:27) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 16-J.Cribbs to CIN 1 for 5 yards (29-L.Hall).
# 4-1-CIN 1 (1:44) 3-D.Anderson right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. WATCH HIGHLIGHT
No problem here.
37. 1-10-CIN 18 (1:29) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 82-S.Heiden to CIN 11 for 7 yards (57-Dh.Jones).
38. 2-3-CIN 11 (:52) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 9 for 2 yards (41-C.Ndukwe, 55-K.Rivers).
39. 3-1-CIN 9 (:14) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 9 for no gain (41-C.Ndukwe).
40. END QUARTER 3
41. CIN 14 CLV 17 Plays: 4 Possession: 1:31
# 4th Quarter
1. Cleveland Browns continues ...
2. 4-1-CIN 9 (15:00) 8-B.Cundiff 26 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil.
Great field position. DA throws for seven on 1st down. Two consecutive runs up the middle coming up just short. Field goal.
There is no way you can blame DA for wasting the field position.
# 1-10-CLE 40 (13:58) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CLV 45 for 5 yards (42-C.Crocker).
# 2-5-CLE 45 (13:18) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short left to 35-J.Harrison.
# 3-5-CLE 45 (13:12) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 84-R.Royal to CIN 49 for 6 yards (57-Dh.Jones).
# 1-10-CIN 49 (12:31) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 46 for 3 yards (98-A.Odom).
# 2-7-CIN 46 (11:47) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 46 for no gain (98-A.Odom).
# 3-7-CIN 46 (11:01) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 11-M.Massaquoi to CIN 41 for 5 yards (93-M.Johnson).
3rd down play was thrown short of the 1st down. Was it a slant?? Was anyone at all to blame for punting on 4th and 2? i kinda think we were stopped by good defense.
# -10-CIN 14 (8:31) 35-J.Harrison left tackle to CIN 12 for 2 yards (55-K.Rivers).
# 2-8-CIN 12 (7:53) 3-D.Anderson sacked at CIN 20 for -8 yards (98-A.Odom).
# 3-16-CIN 20 (7:18) 35-J.Harrison left guard to CIN 13 for 7 yards (59-B.Johnson).
# 4-9-CIN 13 (6:38) 8-B.Cundiff 31 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil.
DA seemed to have time but couldn't find anyone open. Rolled right and into a sack even though Thomas had blocked perfectly. I think he is to blame for running into a sack. 3rd and long and we play it safe to get the field goal. That decision in my opinion was in part because of DA's willingness to try and make something out of nothing, resulting in many turnovers.
Field position was wasted IMO because of DA.
# 17-S.Graham kicks 53 yards from CIN 30 to CLV 17. 35-J.Harrison ran ob at CLV 33 for 16 yards (43-T.Nelson).
# 1-10-CLE 33 (1:52) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 87-M.Furrey to CLV 38 for 5 yards.
# 2-5-CLE 38 (1:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short middle to 87-M.Furrey to CLV 45 for 7 yards (59-B.Johnson).
# 1-10-CLE 45 (1:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 82-S.Heiden to CIN 48 for 7 yards (59-B.Johnson).
# 2-3-CIN 48 (:47) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 82-S.Heiden.
# 3-3-CIN 48 (:41) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 11-M.Massaquoi to CIN 40 for 8 yards (29-L.Hall).
# 1-10-CIN 40 (:27) 3-D.Anderson spiked the ball to stop the clock.
# 2-10-CIN 40 (:27) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short right to 84-R.Royal.
# 3-10-CIN 40 (:23) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short left to 11-M.Massaquoi [98-A.Odom].
# 4-10-CIN 40 (:19) 15-D.Zastudil punts 32 yards to CIN 8, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, downed by CLV-22-B.McDonald.
Last drive in regulation. Had to waste a play to spike the ball. Two straight incomplete passes. Did DA screw up either throws??? I can't remember. 
My intention is not to show that DA was great. You said he squandered great field position. My point is that he isn't to blame for most of it, at least not by himself. The only bad job he did was by getting sacked. We still had another down but like I said earlier I can see how that playing safe can be put on DA because of his history.
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Wow, what are you talking about????????????? Good game by both sides, DA played effeciently, the offense, defense, and special teams had a good game. Granted there may have been some miscue throws, but hell, the guy needs to time with the WRS. 
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It's like every coach and EM preaches, turnovers kill.
I will admit that is the most poised DA i have seen, there were only a couple plays where i was yelling at him through the TV, the typical unnessesary time out taken early in the 3rd qtr. and the INT.
some of the playcalling was crappy they were bringing the heat every first down and we needed to make them pay for that.
I'll admit DA does give us a better chance to win, and at least it's entertaining if we don't. I'm not yet willing to proclaim Anderson the future, but he deserves to play this season out and prove a few of us naysayers wrong a little bit.
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Dude are you freaking kidding me?!?!?! DA provided a spark to this offense and they actually looked decent today! Brady wouldn't have done crap with this team!
Go away troll! 
I think Cribbs was the big spark today, if not for him giving us excellent field position all day, DA would have to had to push it and thrown one or two more picks. With out Cribbs we would have lost 24 -10 in regulation. 
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DA would have to had to push it and thrown one or two more picks. With out Cribbs we would have lost 24 -10 in regulation.
WHAT? So, let me get this right, You have a crystal ball that says that if Cribbs hasn't gotten the yards they have, DA would hkve had 1 or 2 more pics... and that we'd have lost 24-10..
I think it's perfectly ok to believe as you wish and if that's what you believe would have happened,. fine.. But to use that as a tool to lessen the work of DA,, well, that's just insane.. it's a worthless argument.
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Daman,
DA only put together 1 long drive that ended in a score. So I would say DA played well, but he definitely benefited from field position obtained by Cribbs.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Never said he didn't benefit from field position did I? I said that it's insane to sit here and knock his performance because of what someone THINKS would have happened without field position..
It's impossible to support an argument with "What Ifs"!
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So what are we allowed to support arguments with here Daman? Obviously not stats because when I brought those up they were summarily dismissed. The only facts we have are stats and they show once again that DA is a bottom third NFL QB.
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It's impossible to support an argument with "What Ifs"!
Not really.
What if, I took the engine and transmission out of my car, removed the tires, and sunk it in 10' of mud. I wouldn't be able to turn the key, start it up and drive it away.
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Out of all our QB's Anderson gives us the best chance to win on Sunday. PERIOD.
We had to give Brady a chance, he got it and look so bad we had to go back to Anderson. DA has his negatives but his positives still gives us a chance to win. That was a hard fought game and I don't blame anyone for the loss, it was a team loss.
Oh, BTW.....Palmer had an interception as well (almost two) where he stared at his reciever the whole time and Pool read it and was able to get the INT. Should Cincy look to draft a QB next year and get rid of Palmer???
Besides the stupid sack (where he ran out of protection into Thomas' block) and the INT, DA played a pretty solid game, IMO.
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 Give me a break Come on,,, What if I put another engine in and Transmission in, put on new MUD tires and put a winch on it.. I could get your car out You are talking cars, I"m talking football.. Two different things and the comparison is not a good one. For instance, the other poster assumed that without field position, DA would have thrown 1 or 2 more picks.. Maybe, but he could have just as easily thrown two long bomb TD's. Why not, we've all seen him do it before... My point is, you can't use "what if" do demean his performance yesterday.. he wasn't perfect, but he wasn't horrid either. He did a decent job..
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Yes I know Daman. I was just harassing you and trying to inject a little humor onto this board.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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For instance, the other poster assumed that without field position, DA would have thrown 1 or 2 more picks.. Maybe, but he could have just as easily thrown two long bomb TD's. Why not, we've all seen him do it before...
I love ya Daman but that's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard... stating that DA and the offense might have been BETTER OFF without the defense and special teams giving them great field position all day? Seriously?
We couldn't score from 30 yards away but we might have scored from 80 yards away? Seriously?
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I said that it's insane to sit here and knock his performance because of what someone THINKS would have happened without field position..
I agree, you don't have to speculate what WOULD HAVE happened.. you just have to look at what did happen. Largely due to defense and special teams, the offense was inside the 40 eight times, inside the 20 five times.. and scored 20 points... unacceptable.
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I know, that's why I was laughing the entire time I wrote that... we gotta have exchanges like that more often,, That was fun...
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stating that DA and the offense might have been BETTER OFF without the defense and special teams giving them great field position all day? Seriously?
When did I say that.. All I said was without field position, DA may have thrown for 2 long bombs... LOL,, If he had never ever done that, it would be a stretch for sure, but he has and against the Bengals to boot...
And I don't remember even mentioning the D...
Would I rather have the field positon we had,, of course...
Oh,, I luv ya to DC 
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I think DA played well enough to win..it wasn't his best game, but he looked poised.
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DA is not the blame for this loss - he put the Browns in a position to win. It takes a team to win, and there were just too many mistakes across the board. And I agree that the play calling got too conservative & we were playing not to lose instead of capitalizing on the field position Cribbs gave us. This game should have been won, but it was in large part thanks to DA - not in spite of him.
I'm not a DA or BQ fan, but I'm a BROWNS fan, and DA moved the ball & gave us a chance to win - something we haven't tasted in long time. For you DA bashers, stop your whining & get behind this team.
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Dude look at for what it is..the Browns had excellent field position most of the game and several starts inside the Bengal's 30 yard line..how do U not come way with several TD'S???
Because DA leaves too many plays/points on the field..when the Browns needed to convert on many third downs they couldn't..either a drop or a errant pass..
But thats what he gives you..abilty to hit passes but also the misfires which hurt..
This team is going to need another QB who is several steps above what we have.
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DA is our QB for the rest of the season barring injury!
All I know is for 3 games it sucked to be a Browns fan, losing by 3+ TD's. Yesterday I was glued to my seat. I prayed to the football gods, please let this go on for awhile, and lo and behold he added another full quarter.
If DA being our QB brings excitement to the game every game I will take it.
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DA is our QB for the rest of the season barring injury!
All I know is for 3 games it sucked to be a Browns fan, losing by 3+ TD's. Yesterday I was glued to my seat. I prayed to the football gods, please let this go on for awhile, and lo and behold he added another full quarter.
If DA being our QB brings excitement to the game every game I will take it.
That's where I am at. I wanted to see what Brady can do, but right now DA just gives us a better shot to win. I am fully behind who ever is under center and right now it's DA. Now lets go beat Buffalo. 
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he put the Browns in a position to win.\
I'm happy with what I saw in DA yesterday, but this part of your post is simply not true. Josh Cribbs put us in position to win the game.
Here's our drives...
Drive #1- Started at own 23 yard line- 3 and out. (3 yards)
Drive #2- Started at Cincinnati 34 yard line- Fumble (13 yards)
Drive #3- Started at own 16 yard line- Punt (42 yards)
Drive #4- Started at own 31 yard line- Punt (29 yards)
Drive #5- Started at own 43 yard line- Punt (-8 yards)
Drive #6- Started at Cincinnati 38 yard line- TD (38 yards)
Drive #7- Started at own 34- End of 2nd quarter.
So let's recap the first half....
Our longest drive was 42 yards, which still resulted in a punt! Our scoring "drive" was 38 yards.
On to the second half...
Drive #1- Started at own 25- Interception (67 yards)
Drive #2- Started at own 23- Touchdown (77 yards)
Drive #3- Started at Cincinnati 18- FG (9 yards)
Drive #4- Started at own 40- Punt- (19 yards)
Drive #5- Started Cincinnati 14- FG- (1 yard)
Drive #6- Started at own 33- Punt- (27 yards)
Now let's recap the 2nd half. Two long drives. One ended in a bad interception in the red zone. Started inside the Cincinnati 20 twice, and scored 6 points, and gained a total of 10 yards.
Now, on to overtime.
Drive #1- Started on own 17- 3 and out- (4 yards)
Drive #2- Started on own 16- Punt (11 yards)
Drive #3- Started on own 31- Punt- (18 yards)
Let's recap everything as a whole.
Two drives over 50 yards (out of 16 possessions). 8 drives under 20 yards. Two drives starting inside the Cincinnati 20 resulted in 6 points, and a total of 10 yards. We started in Cincinnati territory 4 times, and gained 61 yards, and scored 13 points on those drives.
With all that said, DA definitely gives us a better chance to move the ball, and win some football games, but let's wait awhile before we consider him a savior.
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Dude look at for what it is..the Browns had excellent field position most of the game and several starts inside the Bengal's 30 yard line..how do U not come way with several TD'S???
Because DA leaves too many plays/points on the field..when the Browns needed to convert on many third downs they couldn't..either a drop or a errant pass..
But thats what he gives you..abilty to hit passes but also the misfires which hurt..
This team is going to need another QB who is several steps above what we have.
AttackDawg this is absurd garbage you are spewing
You not giving Bengals D enough credit, they have improved significantly.....they made some plays and played OUTSTANDING red zone defense....they did the same thing to the Steelers the Bengals are a good team
To expect a TD EVERYTIME you get the ball inside the 40, or the 20 is unreasonable...not even Manning scores EVERYTIME they get the ball there
you play way too much Madden man...get off it....
Da was the ONLY REASON we even had a chance to win that freaking game yesterday
Look at the film weeks 1-3 and look at the film yesterday
the difference?
The Bengals played 7 men in the box most of the game, and a cover 2 deep zone
Games 1-3 The Vikings, Broncos, and Ravens ALL played 8-9 man fronts 80% of the snaps, and didn't even defend the pass past 10 yards at all
They can't play the 8-9 man fronts against Anderson becuase if you do he will chew you to pieces through the air
See Harrison 100 yard day enough said...no way Harrison even sniffs 50 yards with Quinn under center.....
We don't know if Da is the answer or not, but he showed me he more deserving of a longer look then Quinn...Quinn has done JACK SQUAT to deserve to even step on the field, after what he did weeks 1-3 there is NO REASON that kid should EVER step back on the field at all this year PERIOD..I want Quinn out of here...trade him for a 7th rd pic and a complimentary Halloween Pumpkin..just get him out of here...the sooner the better...
Anderson will get a chance to seat himself as Mangini's starter, and I bet he does exactly that...at the end of this year...QB won't even be a draft need...Quinn will be traded, and we will move forward with Anderson...and concentrate on our Defense and OL
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Because DA leaves too many plays/points on the field
Did he do that all by himself,, or did dropped balls maybe have an effect on that..
See this is kinda what I find funny.. Everyone wants to lay this on (insert QB name here). That's simply not always the case.
I'll give you another dumb example, his INT in the endzone. I'd admit it looked like a bad throw, but it also looked like the intended receiver went one way and DA expected him to go the other. SO, who was incorrect.
What you won't hear is DA saying,, Oh the receiver screwed up.. DA didn't say that, but he did call it a miscommunication..
Was it? Hell if I know, sure looked like it however.
But let me be clear,, I don't think DA is the second coming of Brett Favre.. But he wasn't bad yesterday. Not a lot of errant throws..
Just sayin
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Oh I guess it's time for U to come in with a really strong counterpoint..did you make it cuze I don't see anything....
You not giving Bengals D enough credit, they have improved significantly.....they made some plays and played OUTSTANDING red zone defense....they did the same thing to the Steelers the Bengals are a good team
Scuse me?
Outstanding red zone D???
I chalk this up once again to either not knowing that you're seeing or just wanting to take the other side for the sake of it..
Their scheme/coverage had little to do with DA throwing a errant pass..I expect the QB to give a reciever a good opportunity to make a play on the ball ..not throw it off the back of his helmet or the wrong shoulder so he has to twist/turn/crash-explode in the turf..
The Bengals don't run any complex schemes..their safeties are pitiful in help coverages..don't confuse inaccuracy or poor decisions for tight coverage..it doesn't work that way..
U mean YOU don't know if DA is the answer....I ain't included in that little group..U/dong/Phil/Pdawg/Lamp..and whoever else fits that group....U guys keep wondering..keep trying to figure it out..keep hoping..keep trying to analize it..I already knew that he is not ever going to be a long term answer..and I'll keep saying it ...he 's not..
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I'm happy with what I saw in DA yesterday, but this part of your post is simply not true. Josh Cribbs put us in position to win the game.
That's all I'm saying too.. special teams and the defense put the offense in a position to not only win but to win big.. and the offense (not just DA by himself, but the whole offense) failed to convert those opportunities into points.
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We started in Cincinnati territory 4 times, and gained 61 yards, and scored 13 points on those drives.
And you left out the drive we started on the Cincy 34 which resulted in 7 points.. FOR THEM. Which is why I said last night, we started inside their territory 4 times and had net of +6 on the scoreboard from the offense.
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Did he do that all by himself,, or did dropped balls maybe have an effect on that..
See thats the typical response..and not wanting to look at it for what it is..I saw drops on the wideouts..now that said I saw errant passes from DA..THATS it..
I'll give you another dumb example, his INT in the endzone. I'd admit it looked like a bad throw, but it also looked like the intended receiver went one way and DA expected him to go the other. SO, who was incorrect.
DA was..and this is where you still aren't able to descern things ..unless it's a timing route(which that wasn't)..DA has to look off the defender..he didn't ..he tried to force it there and either thought he could zip it in or simply thought Heiden was open..nope QB has to see the defender..has to know there's one there.
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So what your saying is, I'm blind, your right and the rest of the world is nuts.. Got it,, Thanks
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U said blind..I said you aren't able to descern what you see.. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81323aee/Bengals-23-Browns-20Watch it..Edwards is on his side..ball snapped both head into the endzone..Heiden drives in to the endzone..Edwards drives further but the man doubling him drops back off into Heiden's lane and is there when DA throws the ball..Heiden wasn't open, he started to cut toward the outside but the defender was already there.. One by DA staring him down and looking at Edwards it allowed the defender to react to DA..he knew where the throw was going.. U gonna tell me somthing different?
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very true,, but then again,, if DA was the answer,,,, the Oz would have kept him in Baltimore and not have released him....
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very true,, but then again,, if DA was the answer,,,, the Oz would have kept him in Baltimore and not have released him....
They did try to keep him, he was on there practice squad I believe and we claimed him.
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Dude look at for what it is..the Browns had excellent field position most of the game and several starts inside the Bengal's 30 yard line..how do U not come way with several TD'S???
Because DA leaves too many plays/points on the field..when the Browns needed to convert on many third downs they couldn't..either a drop or a errant pass..
But thats what he gives you..abilty to hit passes but also the misfires which hurt..
This team is going to need another QB who is several steps above what we have.
Or running the ball on 3rd down. After gaining 7 yards on a 1st down pass we ran harrison twice up the middle. It was 3rd and under a yard and we couldn't get it. I think we missed Lewis right there.
The other 3rd down run was due to a lack of confidence in DA. That is my opinion and not a fact. I think after taking a bad sack on 2nd down we were gun shy to go for it on 3rd down because of DA's propensity of trying to make something out of nothing. If that wasn't the case than it was a stupid play call.
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very true,, but then again,, if DA was the answer,,,, the Oz would have kept him in Baltimore and not have released him....
They did try to keep him, he was on there practice squad I believe and we claimed him.
We claimed him off of waivers. The conventional wisdom was that Baltimore wanted to put him on their PS. but we picked him up before they could.
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very true,, but then again,, if DA was the answer,,,, the Oz would have kept him in Baltimore and not have released him....
They did try to keep him, he was on there practice squad I believe and we claimed him.
We claimed him off of waivers. The conventional wisdom was that Baltimore wanted to put him on their PS. but we picked him up before they could.
What a great move that was too.... backup will all he'll be... 
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And it continues, but in another thread...
DA > BQ; therefore DA is the QB of this team
That's it. No need to compare DA to other better or worse QB's b/c WE DO NOT HAVE THEM. WE HAVE DA OR BQ. Those are the options.
DA puts the team in a position to win against a very good Cinci team.
BQ didn't give us a shot at scoring a real TD, let alone win a game.
That's it. That's all that matters right now. Is DA the long-term answer? Who knows but at this point it's all we got, like it or not.
Unless... maybe Ratliff is the next Brady and we don't know it...
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It boils down AGAIN,,, a win is a win,,, a loss is a loss.... 
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AD,, I gotta tell you,, this is what I saw,, I saw Heiden go outside instead of inside.. had he gone in it appears he'd of had the angle,,
I sure wish I had one of those machines that allowed for clear pictures when in slow motion. it would be easier. I stopped it, played it back serveral times, and I see the same thing.
Sorry,But I'm not seeing what your seeing.
DA, in his interview after the game made mention of trying to throw it low so that if Heiden couldn't get it, nobody would. Well, that sounds like he ment to throw it right where he did and Heiden wasn't where he was supposed to be. (Pure speculation part, I must admit)
Now after lookiing at it, I'm not at all convinced that it's anything other than what he explained..
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