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As the Browns once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, we at least have some answers that were heavily debated not only in the last few months, but in the last few days.
1) Anderson is a limited player who isn't likely to dramatically improve with more time in the league, though he will get a little better with more reps on a week-to-week basis as the starter. While this means he's essentially a journeyman-level NFL starting QB, he's far more ready to be under center than Quinn is at this point. I won't go into the why's or the future, but it's a fact right now. If Mangini felt Quinn gave him the best chance to win before the season started, he knows that was a mistake and has corrected it.
2) Today we saw why Mangini had no choice but to bench Quinn and go to Anderson. Not only did he give the offense a solid game from under center, he gave the rest of the players a reason to go out and fight. They did, and played a helluva game from whistle-to-whistle. I hope people understand that now.
3) Today we saw that the receivers CAN and DID get open, and that it took a QB with enough nerve to go downfield with the ball to prove it. Case closed. It's been on the QB, not the receivers.
4) The offensive line has been suffering from two key factors this year:
A) The "Charlie Frye effect" which states the QB holding onto the ball and/or not being able to go downfield leads to bad things. Today the Bengals had to play the Browns offense honestly, so Anderson had a great deal of time to throw.
B) They've been playing exceptional defenses who could pin their ears back and rush the QB late in games.
5) Daboll isn't necessarily the problem. He called a pretty good gameplan today. Why? Because he could take the leash off the quarterback, a QB who was willing and able to get the ball downfield.
6) The Cribbs experiment was proven to be a failure, as we moved the ball when NOT trying to feed it to him as a downfield threat. He belongs on special-teams doing what he does best, not wasting his energies doing what he's not very good at.
7) Without a pass-rush, we won't have much of a defense. A sack here and there isn't the same as constant pressure, and no scheme in the world can create that enough to help the 'backers and secondary.
8) The players played HARD for Mangini, debunking any idiotic beliefs that he had already lost the team.  The switch to Anderson gave them the boost they needed to keep their motors on full-throttle, and it showed. We aren't a talented team, which is why we lost the game, and nothing Mangini could do this year would have made that decidedly different.
9) Harrison looks OK as a Browns back, and his stats looked OK, but he's a complimentary player, not a starter. There are guys like him in this league who are backups, but many fans don't know the difference because he gained 100 yards. He dropped one pass, took some serious shots trying to get yards, and coughed up a fumble at a point where he had no business trying to fight for an extra yard. He's just not physical enough for that kinda game, especially here in Cleveland. Good change-of-pace guy, not a feature guy.
Setting all that aside, Anderson proved he's better right now than Quinn, and he belongs as the starter. This doesn't speak for the future of the position, but he's so far beyond what Quinn brings to the game right now that it's a non-contest. The players responded to him, the line held up VERY well, and the receivers were in the game and debunked all the false theories floating around.
Great effort going into the second 1/4 of the year. That won't equate to wins, but it's a positive sign in the development of this team.
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What exactly do we know now that is different from last year?
1) Anderson isn't the answer at QB (I guess now we know Quinn isn't either.
2) Edwards drops passes
3) We have no pass rush
4) We have a Belichek disciple at HC
5) We are horrendous at drafting talent (other than Joe Thomas)
What exactly is different now? The only thing I see is that some of our key players will either be too old or gone by the time we can compete (guys like Rogers are not replaceable).
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The team definitely played their best game of the season today against a good Bengal team.
The O was markedly better with DA behind center. But I agree, his limitations as a passer will keep him from ever being more than a journeyman QB. A little touch on his passes here and there and this game doesn't go to OT. The pick in the endzone was devestating.
I am not sure what else Mangini could have done to win this game, but I do believe Rob Ryan changed schemes/philosophies late in the 4th and allowed Cinci to regain the momentum it lost from the 1st quarter.
I got reinforcement that Poteat is not a very good player.
I think Massaquia showed that he could be our #1 receiver. After BE dropped the pass that hit him in the chest I don't believe I saw DA throw another ball in his direction. I think a changing of the guard at receiver is about to happen. Sure, BE may have been double teamed opening things up for MoMass, but MoMass was catching with his hands and didn't show any fear of going after the ball. I think BE's days as a Brown are numbered.
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1) Anderson is a limited player who isn't likely to dramatically improve with more time in the league IMO
There I fixed it for you. 
I'm not so sure we really know if he can improve or not. How can you be so sure?
He looked every bit as good as Palmer today, IMO. And I would consider Palmer to be a fairly decent QB.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He looked every bit as good as Palmer today, IMO. And I would consider Palmer to be a fairly decent QB.
I don't think his anymore.
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You know I'm torn on that as well. Palmer was easily a Top 5 QB prior to the injury, but for some reason, just hasn't been the same. That's why I used the term "fairly decent".
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He used to be top 5, but I'm not sure if he's even average anymore. He's really fallen down. Chad Johnson is the same. He can't catch the ball anymore.
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9) Harrison looks OK as a Browns back, and his stats looked OK, but he's a complimentary player, not a starter. There are guys like him in this league who are backups, but many fans don't know the difference because he gained 100 yards. He dropped one pass, took some serious shots trying to get yards, and coughed up a fumble at a point where he had no business trying to fight for an extra yard. He's just not physical enough for that kinda game, especially here in Cleveland. Good change-of-pace guy, not a feature guy.
I agree with most everyting you said but this. I think Harrison looked pretty good and most definately better than anything else we have, so who else would you put in?
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ugh...Anderson wont ever improve?
He improve drastically just since last week. How many times did he rifle a short ball? 0. Yea he was a bit behind on the throw to Furrey in OT but...how many times do all QBs do that...It happens from time to time.
Cmon...DA throws an INT while thinking his TE was gonna step in front of a DB, and he throws behind a WR in OT and hes never gonna get us to the playoffs? Seriously?
We played an NFL team with a defense that looks very very solid through 4 weeks (giving up no more than 20, cept against a potent GB O) and we say DA is nothing? get out of here. Yall are being crazy.
DA played like an NFL starting QB...would we rather have Cassell or Russell? russell went 12/33...we have a QB that with talent can take us to heights unknown....
Cmon...one pick and one missed throw and hes still not a starter? get out of here...thats ridiculous. DA is the best QB weve had here since Kosar....period
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9) Harrison looks OK as a Browns back, and his stats looked OK, but he's a complimentary player, not a starter. There are guys like him in this league who are backups, but many fans don't know the difference because he gained 100 yards. He dropped one pass, took some serious shots trying to get yards, and coughed up a fumble at a point where he had no business trying to fight for an extra yard. He's just not physical enough for that kinda game, especially here in Cleveland. Good change-of-pace guy, not a feature guy.
I agree with most everyting you said but this. I think Harrison looked pretty good and most definately better than anything else we have, so who else would you put in?
I'm sorry.. but how is this cat gonna bash a guy for getting over 100 yards... dropping one pass as a HB (while ur star WR caught how many passes?).. and then hate cause he was trying to fight for extra yards?...
Harrison did his thing.. Hate that he fumbled.. but it happens to every back in this league..
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9) Harrison looks OK as a Browns back, and his stats looked OK, but he's a complimentary player, not a starter. There are guys like him in this league who are backups, but many fans don't know the difference because he gained 100 yards. He dropped one pass, took some serious shots trying to get yards, and coughed up a fumble at a point where he had no business trying to fight for an extra yard. He's just not physical enough for that kinda game, especially here in Cleveland. Good change-of-pace guy, not a feature guy.
I agree with most everyting you said but this. I think Harrison looked pretty good and most definately better than anything else we have, so who else would you put in?
I'm sorry.. but how is this cat gonna bash a guy for getting over 100 yards... dropping one pass as a HB (while ur star WR caught how many passes?).. and then hate cause he was trying to fight for extra yards?...
Harrison did his thing.. Hate that he fumbled.. but it happens to every back in this league..
Harrison is a good running back, that I doubt anyone will dispute with you. However, Harrison is not an every down back. He lacks power in his running and his vision is very average. Now the vision may come in time, but the power is always something that will hurt him.
He reminds me of Willie Parker and would benefit greatly if he had someone to take the short yardage runs for him rather than Harrison getting stuffed at the line. We lack the big, bruising back on this team, even with Lewis healthy.
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Agreed, my point was at this time he has shown the most and we have no one better. Can't hate on him for giving his all today, I would rather see that than to lay down and die like we have seen in previous weeks.
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Agreed, my point was at this time he has shown the most and we have no one better. Can't hate on him for giving his all today, I would rather see that than to lay down and die like we have seen in previous weeks.
I agree. Harrison is probably our best running back. I also don't think Toad was giving him hate either, just pointing out weaknesses in his game.
you had a good run Hank.
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Yea I may have taken it the wrong way, there is no doubt that he could be improved upon. Just sayin at this point in time I think he did well and is the best we have. On that note Kudos to The Ghost.
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U guys literally kill me...Even the "GM Wanna Bees"
WHY????????????
Anderson played a GREAT GAME today...
Tell me this Toad-ass...
What's your confidence level with Quinn on a 3rd and 7???? 3rd and 10???...2nd and 9...2nd and 8???
Compare that to an Anderson on those same Down & Distances...
FOLKS...BRADY QUINN WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN A JOHN KITNA IN THIS LEAGUE...It's plainer as day....Diam...U MISSED IT BIGTIME...Quinn will be a CAREER BACK-UP...
Anderson is the BEST QB on this team...PERIOD....
There's 3 QB's I've salivated over coming outta college...
Rodgers of GB & Rivers of San Diego & Brees of New Orleans...And this is comin' outta college...Cal...NC State and Purdue...
Anderson has the ability to LIGHT UP ANY DEFENSE because he has the ARM and the MENTALITY to look to the MIDDLE OF THE FIELD on virtually every play...
Tell me your confidence level on a 3rd and 10 isn't SKY-HIGH with Anderson takin' the snap...MINE IS...
Dissin' Anderson like that is BS....He's got his shortcomings...But to say he's a FINISHED PRODUCT is BS at the least...
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Who cares if Anderson is better than Quinn when they both suck. Anderson's "great game" got him a 68.8 passer rating (good for 30th in the NFL) and a loss. The fact is neither of these guys are going to get us to the playoffs and thus we need to start thinking about drafting a real QB in 2010.
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Drive your car off a cliff please.....we have way bigger problems than DA at QB. We could win with DA if we had the right pieces in place.
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I have to agree with what you have to say about how DA played today. He has improved in his short passing game. I think he plays confidently on 3rds and long, which is huge. His decision making is very questionable to me, but not in this game. Other than the pick (I am assuming it was a poor decision. They might have been on the wrong page.) he didn't make any bad decisions IMO. The almost pick on the screen wasn't a bad decision, just a poorly lofted throw.
I don't think DA will ever be a very reliable QB at this point but that doesn't equate to being a finished product.
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3) Today we saw that the receivers CAN and DID get open, and that it took a QB with enough nerve to go downfield with the ball to prove it. Case closed. It's been on the QB, not the receivers.
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Whats the chance that one of these leads to the other 
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3) Today we saw that the receivers CAN and DID get open, and that it took a QB with enough nerve to go downfield with the ball to prove it. Case closed. It's been on the QB, not the receivers.
Not so fast my friend.... 
The only guy that I saw get open was MoMass... The only other completion we had over 15 yards was a dump off to Harrison... and how often did MoMass play in the first 3 games before garbage time?
I'm not saying in any way shape or form that playing MoMass instead of Cribbs would have solved all of the Quinns problems... but I'm also NOT ready to say that Cribbs was as open as MoMass in the first 3 games and Quinn just didn't throw him the ball.
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I never played organized football, so sometimes I can tell something is different but can't figure out why. It seems Rob Ryan is using Brodney Pool differently in coverage than the previous coaching staff. Would someone who is a football mind care to elaborate on this? Maybe I am just full of it and there is no difference 
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We also know that Furrey has some cover skills..
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What a difference 4 games makes in viewing a QB, huh Dawg?
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Oh I don't agree with the idea that DA can't or isn't NFL quality... The key for DA is protection. If you PROTECT DA he can play as good as most and way better then many.. The key to DA is to make a nice comfortable pocket and let him go to work. Not to mention I think his short passes are getting better actually. I see a big up side to this guy, if we can get some better talent around him, and we absolutely must protect him...
DA's play didn't drop off last season the Lines play was horrid and it was death to DA. Mark my words watch the games DA is way way better then journeymen when he is "protected". I think those floating the idea of a journeymen are the same guys that told us how DA didn't have the "it factor" (whatever the hell that is) and BQ did. Not exactly the guys I would want telling me the difference between a journeymen and a starter.. What next BQ would have done better if he would have started, I have heard enough about BQ he is old news at this point. Time to get behind DA and show what you all should have shown him last season "SUPPORT".
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9) Harrison looks OK as a Browns back, and his stats looked OK, but he's a complimentary player, not a starter. There are guys like him in this league who are backups, but many fans don't know the difference because he gained 100 yards. He dropped one pass, took some serious shots trying to get yards, and coughed up a fumble at a point where he had no business trying to fight for an extra yard. He's just not physical enough for that kinda game, especially here in Cleveland. Good change-of-pace guy, not a feature guy.
I agree with most everyting you said but this. I think Harrison looked pretty good and most definately better than anything else we have, so who else would you put in?
I'm sorry.. but how is this cat gonna bash a guy for getting over 100 yards... dropping one pass as a HB (while ur star WR caught how many passes?).. and then hate cause he was trying to fight for extra yards?...
Harrison did his thing.. Hate that he fumbled.. but it happens to every back in this league..
Harrison is a good running back, that I doubt anyone will dispute with you. However, Harrison is not an every down back. He lacks power in his running and his vision is very average. Now the vision may come in time, but the power is always something that will hurt him.
He reminds me of Willie Parker and would benefit greatly if he had someone to take the short yardage runs for him rather than Harrison getting stuffed at the line. We lack the big, bruising back on this team, even with Lewis healthy.
He's almost the exact same size as Willie Parker and Parker is pretty close to an every down back for Pitt. I agree that we need a bruiser in the AFCN but a lot of maximizing Harrison's potential is scheme. Pitts line, while not great, has managed opening the holes well for the run game well and Willie Parker in particular. We execute a better run block scheme and Harrison approaches an every down back.
We made one slight upgrade today with Fraley over Pork Chop IMO. It might be that who Fraley played against wasn't as strong but I never doubt Fraley has the smarts for the scheme.
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i'm good with everything you said but #6. i don't think the cribbs was an experiment by any means. i think he was put in to 1) appease him for his contract crap and 2) keep the seat warm until momass was ready and boy could he be ready.
another two words: derek. anderson.
he was solid today. yes he threw a pick in the endzone, yes it sucks bad. he also threw a ball into double coverage down the field. it looks like he'll have those 2-3 head scratchers but he has GREATLY improved in his accuracy and, for the most part, made solid decisions all day.
we're 0-4 but we have a team that is fighting. this wasn't a playoff year but that doesn't mean we can't play the spoiler role.
we got 2 weeks to clean everything up before the steelers. at this stage, THAT is our playoff/superbowl game. glad we made all the necessary changes before it. now we have a chance. i seem to remember tons of guys saying 2-14 is fine with them if it's two wins against teh steelers. i never felt it was possible more than i do right now.
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Tell me your confidence level on a 3rd and 10 isn't SKY-HIGH with Anderson takin' the snap...MINE IS...
I can honestly say mine isn't. I'm praying against the pick more than I'm hoping for the first down. JMHO
Doesn't mean I'm a "QuinnBot" as I have VERY little faith in him too. Just means I've seen a lot of DA play from college (where he threw 57 int's in 4 years) through every start in his pro career. When the chips are down I expect DA to fold. Again JMHO.
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Anderson played a GREAT GAME today...
I don't believe I've ever seen a QB play a "great game" when he threw an awful INT in the end-zone.
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Tell me this Toad-ass...
What's your confidence level with Quinn on a 3rd and 7???? 3rd and 10???...2nd and 9...2nd and 8???
Compare that to an Anderson on those same Down & Distances...
Funny..........I didn't know we were comparing how I felt about Anderson versus Quinn. In fact, I think I was rather complimentary of Anderson, even though he also deserves a little criticism on things, things that keep him from being an excellent QB.
I won't give Anderson an "A" just because I've seen Quinn out there for 3 weeks giving me "F's".
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Compared to Brady Quinn? Yes.
Compared to most other starting QB's in the league? No, it's nothing close to "sky high."
Comparing him to what we saw from Quinn doesn't make him a great QB. It makes him the best choice to be the guy, and based on his level of play, he deserves the chance to show he can still improve.
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Perhaps you were talking to others. Perhaps to me. If it's others, I agree. If it's me, you're imagining things, because nowhere did I say he was a finished product. What I SAID was........
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Big difference there, big boy.
He doesn't look like the kind of guy that will ever have years in the 90's with his ratings, or take care of the ball. He's a high-risk high-reward guy. But that isn't to say he doesn't have any upside. It means he doesn't have a SUBSTANTIAL upside.
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Until DA can throw with a little touch and learn what a fade throw is.. he will just tease us. Throwing it over the defenders head in the end zone and not THROUGH him might help. If we got a point for how many times he drilled the TE or RB in the helmet or shoulder pad we would have won by 7. That said.. he improved the offense 200 %
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U guys literally kill me...Even the "GM Wanna Bees"
WHY????????????
Anderson played a GREAT GAME today...
Tell me this Toad-ass...
What's your confidence level with Quinn on a 3rd and 7???? 3rd and 10???...2nd and 9...2nd and 8???
Compare that to an Anderson on those same Down & Distances...
FOLKS...BRADY QUINN WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN A JOHN KITNA IN THIS LEAGUE...It's plainer as day....Diam...U MISSED IT BIGTIME...Quinn will be a CAREER BACK-UP...
What kills me is the way the hardcore DA backers take anything "not positive" about DA and assume it means someone thinks Quinn is better. He NEVER said that, he even said DA is better than Quinn under center at this point.
Jeez, some of you people are arguing over the stupidest crap over and over. I don't think anyone on the board has stated since yesterday that Quinn is better. Every post I read, even by those that supported Quinn, admitted that the team looked way more alive with DA and that DA played a "good" game, not a great one, but a good one.
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DA isn't the greatest option out there... but he's good for the time being. When he's on... he's probably the 16-14th best starting QB IMO. He's not just a guy who has overwhelming arm strength (JaMarcus Russell). He has some good upside. And there are things that he can improve on. But most QB's in this league have little quirks and flaws.
The truth is most teams that win have chinks in the armor (That's why they can lose). It's not about becoming perfect. It's about minimizing those flaws or working around/with them. The same can be said about players.
The offense needs more legitimate threats and until that time he'll be the stand in. If you have a QB in the league who is willing to throw it to players downfield and you have some players who can catch downfield... the game gets a bit easier.
I'm tired of these Patrick Ramsey's and "West Coast" QB's. The "West Coast" is a style of offense not a style of player. If you don't have the arm strength to get the ball downfield... you have no business on the field. If DA continues to play at the level he is at... I can see 6-7 ish wins.
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DA isn't the greatest option out there...
What other options do we have at this moment? Just wondering
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A reason to play??? 
No matter who the coach is..who the units consists of..a player has reasons to play regardless..if you sensed a player was quitting on the team for a reason U'd be the first to say get 'em outta here... they get paid ..they have fans..they had a duty to go out and play hard..period... Today we saw that the receivers CAN and DID get open, and that it took a QB with enough nerve to go downfield with the ball to prove it. Case closed. It's been on the QB, not the receivers.
I 've seen this too many times..and I'm saying it again..I saw a different gameplan for the offense..it has always varied depending who was taking the sanps..abnd oh BTW..a second reciever contributed ..I said that was some BS not to expect anything..Mass has looked good...Mangini was wasting him.. Setting all that aside, Anderson proved he's better right now than Quinn, and he belongs as the starter. This doesn't speak for the future of the position, but he's so far beyond what Quinn brings to the game right now that it's a non-contest. The players responded to him, the line held up VERY well, and the receivers were in the game and debunked all the false theories floating around.
But..he leaves too many plays/points on the field..thats why I say dude's ceiling is low..very low..too many stalled drives after Cribbs gives them excellent field position..too many bad decisions or bad throws ..
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Until DA can throw with a little touch and learn what a fade throw is.. he will just tease us. Throwing it over the defenders head in the end zone and not THROUGH him might help. If we got a point for how many times he drilled the TE or RB in the helmet or shoulder pad we would have won by 7.
That said.. he improved the offense 200 %
I'm not sure if you are serious or not. DA didn't try to throw any balls through defenders in the end zone yesterday. Hitting receivers, TEs and backs with the ball means they probably should be catching at least some of them.
I understand why so many of us are skeptical that DA can ever be anything more than a backup. It does drive me nuts when I see so many posts where people bring up the same arguments after every game whether they pertain or not.
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Actually, I ammend that... He is the best option right now for the Browns. I just don't see him as a QB with long term potential.
Now, I'll give him the rest of this year to prove me wrong... Hey, even next year as this team continues to build playmakers. It would give him time to develop as well. If we could get a year without a QB controversy. With him getting reps he needs from training camp... We could see some awesome improvement from him.
However in that time if he still doesn't improve... then... well in year 3 we'll have another QB.
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8) The players played HARD for Mangini, debunking any idiotic beliefs that he had already lost the team. The switch to Anderson gave them the boost they needed to keep their motors on full-throttle, and it showed. We aren't a talented team, which is why we lost the game, and nothing Mangini could do this year would have made that decidedly different.
I saw nothing of that...they came out flat yet again, unable to tackle....Cincy kept us in the game because they tried going deep on us once ahead instead of just ripping us apart underneath...you guys probably forgot that Cincy had the ball pretty much the entire 1st Qtr when they did just that, dinking and dunking it underneath, it's called TDs-on-installments Defense....
now, DA, Massa and Harrison played "hard"...for Mangini? don't think so, they had something to prove and it was the difference...and Cribbs of course..but guy plays like that no matter who's his coach
so Mangini could NOT have done ANYTHING "decidedly different"? Yeah right...like going for 1 of those 4th downs on the Bengals 40yd line? or throwing the ball on 3rd and 13 on their 30 instead resigning to kick it up by only 3? Did you the Steelers-SNG? Tomlin went for 4th down on THEIR 30...and that was ONLY this game he could have done something "decidedly different" (like W or L decidedly, lol)...and I didn't even have to mention his offseason 
You want to know the "sorry" part of this game? It was our "statement" game, lol....that's as good as it gets...you will see the week 1to3 Browns next week in BUF again, I promise
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You want to know the "sorry" part of this game? It was our "statement" game, lol....that's as good as it gets...you will see the week 1to3 Browns next week in BUF again, I promise
I've been reading this a lot and just don't see it going down like that. If the team builds on what they accomplished in the 2nd half yesterday, I think they'll get some wins.
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Just another DA and BQ thread... how funny
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Tomlin went for 4th down on THEIR 30...
Weren't they already up something like 21-0 at that point?? You can't win the Kentucky Derby on a mule, if you take my meaning, so I think comparing Tomlin's 4th down decisions to Mangini's is just silly. And I think we beat Buffalo. Period.
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Django...
Tomlin has gone for it on 4th down consistently for the past two seasons.
Every Steeler game I watch except for last night, they got STUFFED on those 4th and short attempts to go for it.
If the Steelers 2009 defense was playing in 2008 there's no way they sniff the Superbowl given those horrible decisions that could have cost them.
Tomlin has made some absolutely boneheaded decisions and got bailed out by LeBeau. Before you criticize Mangini for not going for it, make sure you know Tomlin's history of having an egg on his face by not getting it on 4th down.
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