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I know it's early, but only 198 days until the draft, and well, it's never too early to talk about the draft. 
I'll get the discussion going with the mock I just got done making. I just used ESPN's power rankings for the order.
1. St. Louis Rams: Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
3. Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung OT Oklahoma St.
4. Cleveland Browns: Eric Berry S Tennessee
5. Oakland Raiders: Carlos Dunlap DE Florida
6. Detroit Lions: Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
7. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina): Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
8. Tennessee Titans: Jake Locker QB Washington
9. Seattle Seahawks: Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
10. Buffalo Bills: Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma St.
11. Washington Redskins: Jevan Snead QB Ole Miss
12. Miami Dolphins: Sergio Kindle OLB Texas
13. Houston Texans: Taylor Mays S Southern California
14. Arizona Cardinals: Terrence Cody DT Alabama
15. Jacksonville Jaguars: Arrelious Benn WR Illinois
16. Dallas Cowboys: Damian Williams WR Southern California
17. San Diego Chargers: Arthur Jones DT/DE Arkansas
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Rolando McClain LB Alabama
19. Denver Broncos (from Chicago): Corey Wootton DE Northwestern
20. Green Bay Packers: Jahvid Best RB California
21. San Francisco 49ers: Greg Hardy DE/OLB Ole Miss
22. Cincinnati Bengals: Patrick Robinson CB Florida St.
23. Philadelphia Eagles: Sean Weatherspoon LB Missouri
24. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Spikes LB Florida
25. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver): Colt McCoy QB Texas
26. Baltimore Ravens: Brandon LaFell WR Louisiana St.
27. New England Patriots: Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
28. New York Jets: Allen Bailey DT/DE Miami
29. New Orleans Saints: Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
30. Minnesota Vikings: C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
31. New York Giants: Reshad Jones S Georgia
32. Indianapolis Colts: Ciron Black OT Louisiana St.
With our 2nd rounder, I'll give us Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech, and with our 3rd we can have Vince Oghobaase, DT/DE, Duke.
Let it begin! 
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I heard this suggestion the other day and thought it might as well be worthy of discussion. I'm not sure if it was here or somewhere else, so if this is someone's idea, take credit for it...
Does anyone think that Taylor Mays may end up being a linebacker at the next level?
you had a good run Hank.
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I really don't see it. He has the size, the tackling ability, and the hard hitting, but it would be wasting his coverage ability. He is great at containing the big play, and can run with the best of them.
To me, it would be a waste of his overall ability.
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I wish I could make signatures, cuz I'd have the Taylor Mays signature up already lol.
I know everyone here is high on Eric Berry, and I think he'll be a good player, too. But, I think Taylor Mays is the best player in this draft.
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Are any of those OT's Right Tackles ?
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Gotta disagree bro. I don't know of anyone on the circuit who would agree with that. Gerald McCoy and Berry are both WAY ahead of him. Mays just hasn't been a playmaker and isn't nearly as good in coverage as Berry.
Oorah: Several of them could play the right side. Ciron Black, Trent Williams, and Baluga would all be good there.
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Thanks,...I agree on Mays, BTW,...Boomer put a hurtin' on his can in Columbus.
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You could also make an argument that Sam Young OT from Notre Dame would make a solid RT as well
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True, he's a decent prospect, but at this point I don' t see him going until the late 2nd to early 3rd. I was just listing first and early 2nd round guys.
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I know I was just referring to your RT prospect list and I think Sam could easily slip to the 3rd round. I kind of have a problem with Vince Oghobaase slipping to the 2nd because the Carolina Panthers need a DT REALLY bad and I don't think he'll slip past them in the 2nd round. Other then that props for a great mock! 
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I wish I could make signatures, cuz I'd have the Taylor Mays signature up already lol.
I know everyone here is high on Eric Berry, and I think he'll be a good player, too. But, I think Taylor Mays is the best player in this draft.
Take the one I made last year. If ya like it, i'm not the greatest at making them yet, but I don't fiddle with it much.
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Oghobaase is a tricky prospect. Some think he's a first rounder, but most think he's a 2nd or 3rd. I'm torn. I really like him, but with him playing at Duke there is the competition factor. And there's the fact that this year's DT class is absolutely loaded.
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Cool, man. Thanks. I'll use it when I get to my home computer, because I want to save my current sig, so I can go back to it after the draft.
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Gotta disagree bro. I don't know of anyone on the circuit who would agree with that. Gerald McCoy and Berry are both WAY ahead of him. Mays just hasn't been a playmaker and isn't nearly as good in coverage as Berry.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...and Top's happens to coincide with USAToday's scouting service:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/04/66219353/1
I'm sure there are others who also agree, but I typed "Taylor Mays best of 2010 draft" and this was the first link that showed up.
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I think people are to amazed by Mays physical abilities. I think he'll be a very good safety but I think Berry will be better and be a top 5 safety in a short amount of time.
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You're not drafting any LB Deep? ....... Taylor Mays has got to be the best of the draft. I see him changing the game the way that S for Pittsburgh whose name I will not attempt to spell changes it. But lets be honest. We need LBers maybe even more than we need Mays or Berry at Safety.
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I think people are to amazed by Mays physical abilities. I think he'll be a very good safety but I think Berry will be better and be a top 5 safety in a short amount of time.
I agree and have mentioned that I would draft Berry over Mays before (i also think that Mays will share Polamalu's penchant for getting injured with his style of play)....however Deep was suggesting that NOONE ranks Mays over Berry "on the circuit" and that is untrue.
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You're not drafting any LB Deep? ....... Taylor Mays has got to be the best of the draft. I see him changing the game the way that S for Pittsburgh whose name I will not attempt to spell changes it. But lets be honest. We need LBers maybe even more than we need Mays or Berry at Safety.
If we do draft top5, which I hope we do not but is currently where we are positioned......would you really draft a LB top5? he better be a complete demon to warrant the selection.
now, if we trade back into the teens from there...then, I would love Sergio Kindle. That guy has a great motor and a great attitude....his style reminds me of a DeMarcus Ware type...and we could use that I would say.
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If Carlos Dunlap could make the transition, I'd love to draft him if we have a top 5 pick. That guy is really good.
Also, don't forget about Brandon Spikes, although I have not seen enough of him to decide if he is Aaron Curry or Rey M.
you had a good run Hank.
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I really don't consider a newspaper to be someone "on the circuit".
Duty: Berry is Ed Reed if Mays is Troy P. I personally think Mays is more like Laron Landry though. And Berry is still Reed. He's even playing corner for the Vols. That's how good he is in coverage.
As for linebacker, there isn't one worth taking that high. Kindle is the best OLB option, and the best ILB is probably Rolando McClain. I don't think either are worth a pick anywhere near that high. Relative speaking of course. They could both go in the teens, but that's a big difference from 4.
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Not quite sure what you mean by transition. He's 290, so he'd be an end, but he is awful against the run. He has the size, but he really isn't a fit for the 3-4.
I wouldn't mind Spikes in the 2nd for us. I had the Falcons taking him 24th though.
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Not quite sure what you mean by transition. He's 290, so he'd be an end, but he is awful against the run. He has the size, but he really isn't a fit for the 3-4.
I wouldn't mind Spikes in the 2nd for us. I had the Falcons taking him 24th though.
I don't know what I was thinking for Dunlap. I'm going to chalk that up to just not being entirely too familiar with this draft class outside of Eric Berry and the QB's.
you had a good run Hank.
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That's what this thread's for. To talk about the draft and educate the clueless AKA you. 
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Some scouts believe that Mays is a game-changing player in the mold of the Ravens’ Ed Reed or the Steelers’ Troy Polamalu.
From your website.
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Just because I work there doesn't mean I agree with everything they say, and some scouts do believe that, and he can. He has all the potential in the world, but isn't a great football player at this point.
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Mock drafts are usually retarded, especially in October. But....  Give me the best LB or safety, unless a franchise back is there for us. That's all I want.
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Gotta disagree bro. I don't know of anyone on the circuit who would agree with that. Gerald McCoy and Berry are both WAY ahead of him. Mays just hasn't been a playmaker and isn't nearly as good in coverage as Berry.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...and Top's happens to coincide with USAToday's scouting service:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/04/66219353/1
I'm sure there are others who also agree, but I typed "Taylor Mays best of 2010 draft" and this was the first link that showed up.
Evaluating talent is a fluid process. That article is from April 2009. A lot has happened since then.
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Work there?
I thought you were in high school? How many major college games do you get to each weekend as part of your "scouting" assignments? Just curious.
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And after actually reading it, only seniors are included. And they called Trent Williams a DT.
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You're not drafting any LB Deep? ....... Taylor Mays has got to be the best of the draft. I see him changing the game the way that S for Pittsburgh whose name I will not attempt to spell changes it. But lets be honest. We need LBers maybe even more than we need Mays or Berry at Safety.
If we do draft top5, which I hope we do not but is currently where we are positioned......would you really draft a LB top5? he better be a complete demon to warrant the selection.
now, if we trade back into the teens from there...then, I would love Sergio Kindle. That guy has a great motor and a great attitude....his style reminds me of a DeMarcus Ware type...and we could use that I would say.
I'll buy what you and Deep are saying. I don't know what will be available when we draft. I just know we need LBers but if none are worth that high a pick aMays or Berry would be nice too. ORT can be had later possibly. RG can be later. QB? I just don't want to trade down for crap and old jets.
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Evaluating talent is a fluid process. That article is from April 2009. A lot has happened since then.
This is true.
It also means a lot of things can happen between now and April. Who knows? By April, Eric Berry could get exposed and become a 2nd-3rd round pick 
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Deep, you have done a lot of hard work. I am curious why Clausen is not on the list ? At first I thought it was just seniors, but I see Jake Locker on there.
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I don't always agree with DT but he's right on the money here. Berry and McCoy are choices 1A and 1B in the first. Berry exposed? He's been getting like 10 tackles Agamemnon and was the #1 corner prospect out of high school. The reason he's playing safety is so he can run around and maximize his terrific instincts.
I don't think Mays ends up playing LB because he's virtually a lock to go to Oakland... Same way heyward bey was. They already have a couple of pretty speedy linebackers in Morrison and Howard.
Btw I just noiced my phone's awesome autocorrect and didn't have the heart to fix it.
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Btw I wouldn't be surprised if the pats bndled a bunch of their picks to go get suh since Seymour is gone. He just seems like a pat to me.
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Berry is the best prospect in this class hands down.... IMO
We might be able to slip back into the first round.... not sure how, but I guy can hope.
With Clauson, Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, Locker, and Pike.....we could sneak a QB in after picking Berry....
If Clauson comes out, I think he is #1 unless Bradford proves the shoulder is fine.
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Gotta disagree bro. I don't know of anyone on the circuit who would agree with that. Gerald McCoy and Berry are both WAY ahead of him. Mays just hasn't been a playmaker and isn't nearly as good in coverage as Berry.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...and Top's happens to coincide with USAToday's scouting service:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/04/66219353/1
I'm sure there are others who also agree, but I typed "Taylor Mays best of 2010 draft" and this was the first link that showed up.
Evaluating talent is a fluid process. That article is from April 2009. A lot has happened since then.
Yeah, like a (comparably) tiny little running back named Boom Herron putting Mays out of the game,... 
Just joking, though it was true,...Berry is my pick.
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Don't belive it matters all that much, from what I've seen watching the NFL the talent isn't as widespread as the coaching.
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No one in this business actually goes to games. We get film and watch games on tv. Going to game simply isn't necessary.
Davy - I don't think Clausen will declare. If he does, he's probably my top quarterback.
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Mays certainly won't be a linebacker if he goes for Oakland. They already have a very good WILL in Thomas Howard. Not only is Howard good, he's very fast, so you know Al Davis loves him.
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1) Jonathan Dwyer will be a first rounder.
It comes down to whether you prefer a safety in the mold of Ed Reed or Troy P. If you want an Ed Reed Safety draft Berry. However, if you want an enforcer draft Taylor Mays. I see Berry as a FS and Taylor as SS. I do agree though if we don't draft a QB we need to get one of those safeties. One thing Mays doesn't get credit for is that USC plays alot of deep cover 2 to prevent the big play, which limits his "play-making" ability. However he did have a big INT in the endzone against Cal.
With that said I think the safety we choose greatly depends on the growth of Pool. Pool has been playing FS recently and done a heck of a job. Elam on the other hand hasn't lived up to expectations. If Pool continues to develop then I see no need to draft a FS. If Pool develops I want an enforcer which is Mays. With that said both should be amazing safeties in the next level.
Also the second round I think greatly depends on FA moreso than the 1st round. If we can get some right side help we could go ILB Spikes or because there is so much talent at the D-Line we could draft D-line. However, if lets say we decide to sign Merrimen (who will be a FA or some LB) I doubt we pickup Spikes. Keep in mind there are going to be a ton of good QBs available too. Tony Pike, Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Maybe Jake Locher, Jimmy Clausen..etc I'm not saying everyone of those guys will be available in round 2 but a couple of them should be.
In the exact draft I would go:
1) Taylor Mays (This is dependent on Pool's growth)
2) Tony Pike (didn't seem him in your first round)- I honestly think he has potential to be a great NFL QB. Most likely during the draft coverage season Tony Pike is going to get the Alex Smith treatment and be a top 10ish pick.
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