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Your are jumping the gun comparing Mays to Troy P. I quite frankly see very few similarities. Mays could very well end up at free safety with his coverage skills, but Polumalu is in no way shape or form a free safety. He is tons better against the run than Mays and is much more of an enforcer. Mays is much more like Laron Landry.
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And I forgot to add that Dwyer could end up a first rounder, but right now it is far from certain. He is having a bad season so far, to say that is a sure thing is beyond stupid.
And I actually just realized that I left out Joe Haden and Arthur Jones, so my mock fails, but not for the reasons you said.
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If the Browns have the #1 pick in the draft heres how I think the draft will go
1. Cleveland Browns - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
33. Cleveland Browns - Georgie Selvie, OLB, USF
65. Cleveland Browns - Lindsey Witten, OLB, UConn
97. Cleveland Browns - Ed Dickson, TE, Oregon
129. Cleveland Browns - Stephen Schilling, OT, Michigan
161. Cleveland Browns - Jerome Murphy, CB, South Florida
193. Cleveland Browns - Graig Cooper, RB, Miami
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Don't have time to debate it now, but man, I hope not.
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Your are jumping the gun comparing Mays to Troy P. I quite frankly see very few similarities. Mays could very well end up at free safety with his coverage skills, but Polumalu is in no way shape or form a free safety. He is tons better against the run than Mays and is much more of an enforcer. Mays is much more like Laron Landry.
Haha you blast me for jumping the gun talking about the draft? Hahaha. That's what the draft is...drawing conclusions from incomplete data and jumping the gun. How else was Russell a number 1? Mays will not end up as a FS in the NFL, Mays is born to play the SS position and you are dreaming if you think otherwise. I never said that Polumalu was a FS...Did you actually read what I wrote? Besides are you really comparing what a professional player has developed into to a College player? Besides Polumalu had a terrible first year in the pros and if you look at the college careers Mays hits a ton harder than Polumalu. IMO I think Mays will end as a enforcer who is exceoptional strong against the run and makes a few INTs ever year. The first pro I thought of like that was Polumalu but I guess Bob Sanders would work too except Mays is like 40 lbs heavier and faster than Bob. I said I thought Eric Berry would be a FS like Ed Reed and Mays would be a SS like Polumalu or LaRon or Harrison. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I should be accused of jumping the gun...Look at your mock draft it is nothing but a jumping of the gun in freaking October no less. If you don't want to jump the gun or to conclusions maybe you put out your 2010 mock Draft in about 198 days.
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And I forgot to add that Dwyer could end up a first rounder, but right now it is far from certain. He is having a bad season so far, to say that is a sure thing is beyond stupid.
Yeah like saying Bradford is going to be the number 1 pick overall? Or like how Mauluga was going to be for sure a 1st rounder? Besides you should know that the draft has become more about measurables than production in college to a degree. Dude lighten up its the freaking draft...how beyond stupid was it to say Heyward Bay would be a first rounder and taken before Crabtree? How stupid would have called me if I predicted that this time last year?
It's the draft no need to call anyone stupid except Al Davis.
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Why?
Clausen could be our franchise QB
George Selvie can be a monster OLB for us
So could Lindsey Witten if you watch this kid play
I'm not to sure about Ed Dickson because he's not a very good run blocking TE but he could be like KW and cause matchup problems with linebackers
Stephen Schilling could be a solid RT and if we could draft Sam young instead of Dickson
Jerome Murphy is a playmaker that could play nickel for us
Graig Cooper is just for depth purposes depending on what happens to Jamal and Jerome this offseason. Also we don't know James Davis injury problem.
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Clausen could be our franchise QB
George Selvie can be a monster OLB for us
So could Lindsey Witten if you watch this kid play
I'm not to sure about Ed Dickson because he's not a very good run blocking TE but he could be like KW.
Stephen Schilling could be a solid RT and if we could draft Sam young instead of Dickson
Jerome Murphy is a playmaker that could play nickel for us
Graig Cooper is just for depth purposes depending on what happens to Jamal and Jerome this offseason. Also we don't know James Davis injury problem.
If Clausin does come out he will be the first QB taken and it wouldn't surprise me if we took him.
In before Deep calls you an idiot and says you're jumping to conclusions about the draft. 
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You're jumping to conclusions because Mays and Troy P. are very different players. That's why.
And it was stupid to say Dwyer will certainly go in the first because at this point it's stupid to say anything with certainty. I am not certain that Bradford will be the 1st overall pick, and at this point, I consider it more likely that he won't. The mock was purely a way of bringing up good players and matching positions with needs. It bothers me when people criticize something so far in advance by being absolutely certain about something. I wouldn't have called you stupid (and for the record, I didn't. I said what you are doing is stupid) if you said that you think Dwyer would be a first rounder, and he very well could be. He's certainly talented enough.
For the record, I predicted the Heyward-Bey pick. Two months before the draft. And the month, and the week, and the day before the draft. I caught a lot of heat for it. Pat on back officially licensed and trademarked by Toad. 
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1. I just don't like Clausen very much. For a guy who's supposed to be a smart quarterback, I've seen him making some dumb throws. And he doesn't have good enough skills to make up for these bad decisions. I know there are many who disagree with me, but I'm just not a fan. But for the record, if he does declare, I could see him going #1 overall and I could see us taking him. It's just a personal preference.
2. I think Selvie's been overhyped. He isn't that incredibly fast and I question his ability to be anything other than a tampa 2 end. For a while people were talking about him going mid 1st, now 3rd is being said. I think he's gonna free fall.
And I just haven't seen enough of the others at this point, so I can't say I like or dislike them.
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2 years ago selvie was an absolute monster... I watched him whenever I could. Last he wasn't nearly as good... I think he was hurt? I haven't had a chance to see him this year.
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We BETTER NOT take a QB!!!!!!!
Run with Derek and upgrade elsewhere!!!!
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Calm down, Mrs. Anderson......This is a mock draft 6.5 months before the actual one. It's worth slightly more than a bucket of warm spit........
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just saw Cinci v. USF is coming up on a THUR night game. That should be a fun game to watch not just for the game but to see some of these guys like Pike and Selvie people are touting.
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I can’t complain about what you have there…I think if those 3 are taken before Cleveland, you’d have to assume Berry, Suh, and Mays would be way at the top of the list. A bit of a surprise in my eyes at #8 and also another one that Clausen isn’t on your list – read today that he’s one of the Heisman’s leading candidates….why, not sure, but that is what I read. Anyway, any of the guys I mentioned above would work for me, though I think I’d pick Suh. One more comment about round 1 – great choices for Seattle – I think that McCoy is a perfect fit for the Seahawks, and adding Williams to replace Jones is perfect. If the first 8 fall out like you have them, I wouldn’t be surprised to see McCoy go at #9 – without Hasslebeck, this team struggles way too much.
Onto 2nd and 3rd round…I don’t see both Anderson and Quinn both being on the 2010 roster, so I’ll assume we pick a QB to go along with whomever we keep and Ratliff – though personally maybe a FA signing would be just as good. I’m not sure where Pike or Jarret Brown are ranked, but if either are there in round 3, I wouldn’t mind that. Eric Norwood and Jermaine Cunningham are both intriguing at OLB in round 2. Though its early…
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I don't see Clausen declaring. And I have McCoy way ahead of Suh. I don't think they are even close.
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Not so fast my friend! Suh is faster and bigger than Mccoy. Suh has also had less help that Mccoy but still dominates! Watch Suh vs Missouri thursday night. Also Bo Pelini said Suh was a better player then Glenn Dorsey
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A: Suh isn't faster than McCoy.
B: They are both much better than Dorsey.
I know of very few people who like Suh better, but I'm willing to make a sig bet that McCoy will be drafted higher. He is unbelievable.
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Mccoy has a better burst off the line. Suh has a faster 40 time, he's stronger and bigger still. Also I think you should wait until Mccoy officially declares before making a sig bet Mccoy = Tommie Harris Suh = Richard Seymour
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I don't buy the Harris comparison. Harris is purely a 4-3 or tampa 2 under tackle, while McCoy could play in a 4-3 or 3-4 and is much better against the run. Harris is a pure penetrater. McCoy is a much better prospect than a Tommy Harris comparison. I see where you came up with him though.
I can buy the Seymour comparison for Suh, but I'll say it again: Sig bet that McCoy goes first. I'll take my chances of him not declaring.
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I don't see Clausen declaring. And I have McCoy way ahead of Suh. I don't think they are even close.
But you had McCoy taken so I had him out of my consideration. If McCoy were there, I'd jump on it - though my #1 was one of my top choices for last year too - Okung.
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I can buy the Seymour comparison for Suh, but I'll say it again: Sig bet that McCoy goes first. I'll take my chances of him not declaring.
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Oh, I can't either. I was thinking that we put a picture or type line of the winner's choosing in their sig for a month.
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Eric Berry's the guy I want.....so I like it!
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I heard this suggestion the other day and thought it might as well be worthy of discussion. I'm not sure if it was here or somewhere else, so if this is someone's idea, take credit for it...
Does anyone think that Taylor Mays may end up being a linebacker at the next level?
I started a thread after the Broncos game that was moved/deleted....it was called "Is it too early to start talking draft?"
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Oh, I can't either. I was thinking that we put a picture or type line of the winner's choosing in their sig for a month.
Alright that's cool, I just didn't want to cut you short if Mccoy is taken before Suh.
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Taylor Mays = Roy Williams
Eric Berry = Ed Reed
IMO, he is nothing like Troy P......Troy P can do it all. I think Mays is going to be very one dimensional and if you think Roy Williams is good, then you might be OK drafting him in Top 5, but I think he is more of a 15-25 prospect. Physical freak, but I'm not sure if the tape will show as many plays as people think.....
Berry is the real deal....a playmaker/ballhawk/game changer...whatever you want to call it.
The only other position I could see us taking in top 5 would be DE, RT, or QB but I don't think there will be a RT or QB worthy of a pick that high.
This is a real bad year to be drafting in the top 5...
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This is a real bad year to be drafting in the top 5...Especially if you're there EVERY year,..... 
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How about a sig bet about Dwyer being a first rounder?
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Don't know enough about him and I don't do the sig thing,....
But, I don't doubt your opinion.
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Round 1) Eric Berry - S - Tennessee
Round 2) Brandon Spikes - LB - Florida
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I guess I'm taking a look at our FA situation first before the draft. Helps you prioritize what youre doing. http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractscle.phpCleveland Browns Below is a depth chart and the year each NFL player will be a free agent. Keep in mind that the players listed are notable ones; players at the bottom of the depth chart will not be on this list. Free agents to be following the 2009 NFL season are marked as "2010" because they become free agents on March 1, 2010. The same goes for future seasons. Age is as of Sept. 1, 2009. Last updated: Oct. 8, 2009 <~~ Horsepoop, Ryan Tucker is still on here along with some others Quarterback Age Free Agency Year Brady Quinn 24 2012 Derek Anderson 26 2011 Brett Ratliff 24 2010 (RFA) Running Back Age Free Agency Year Jamal Lewis 30 2011 Jerome Harrison 26 2010 James Davis 23 2013 Lawrence Vickers 26 2010 Wide Receiver Age Free Agency Year Mohamed Massaquoi 22 2013 Chansi Stuckey 25 2011 Brian Robiskie 21 2013 Joshua Cribbs 26 2013 Syndric Steptoe 24 2010 (RFA) Tight End Age Free Agency Year Robert Royal 31 2013 Steve Heiden 32 2012 Greg Estandia 26 2010 Offensive Tackle Age Free Agency Year Joe Thomas 24 2012 John St. Clair 32 2012 Isaac Sowells 27 2010 Ryan Tucker 34 2010 Guard Age Free Agency Year Eric Steinbach 29 2014 Pork Chop Womack 30 N/A Kurt Quarterman 25 2010 (RFA) Rex Hadnot 27 2010 Center Age Free Agency Year Alex Mack 23 2014 Hank Fraley 31 2011 Defensive End Age Free Agency Year Corey Williams 29 2013 Kenyon Coleman 30 2012 C.J. Mosley 26 2011 Robaire Smith 31 2011 Nose Tackle Age Free Agency Year Shaun Rogers 32 2014 Athyba Rubin 23 2012 Rush Linebacker Age Free Agency Year Kamerion Wimbley 25 2012 Alex Hall 24 2012 David Bowens 32 2013 David Veikune 23 2013 Inside Linebacker Age Free Agency Year D'Qwell Jackson 25 2010 <~~ NEED to address this one..Eric Barton 31 N/A Jason Trusnik 25 2010 (ERFA) Cornerback Age Free Agency Year Eric Wright 24 2011 Brandon McDonald 24 2011 Hank Poteat 32 N/A Coye Francies 22 2013 Safety Age Free Agency Year Brodney Pool 25 2010 <~~ I don't know what to think hereAbram Elam 27 2010 Mike Adams 28 2012 Nick Sorensen 31 2011 Special Teamer Age Free Agency Year Phil Dawson 34 2011 Dave Zastudil 30 2011
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Just want to point out that if there isn't a new CBA, all of those guys will only be RFA's.
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We let him walk, need to upgrade at the safety postion. Not saying he's bad but lets call apples apples, we need to upgrade.
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After watching Suh last night, I'm starting to think he is a better fit for a 3-4. He reminds me of Haloti Ngata. 30 pounds smaller, but just as strong. I think who goes first is going to depend on what teams are picking first. 3-4 team, probably Suh, team needing a pass rusher in the middle, McCoy. So basically, a team like the Bucs would prefer McCoy, but any of the 3-4 teams may prefer Suh.
After how much Suh dominated, I could end up being proven wrong. I'm not counting on it though.
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After watching Suh last night, I'm starting to think he is a better fit for a 3-4. He reminds me of Haloti Ngata. 30 pounds smaller, but just as strong. I think who goes first is going to depend on what teams are picking first. 3-4 team, probably Suh, team needing a pass rusher in the middle, McCoy. So basically, a team like the Bucs would prefer McCoy, but any of the 3-4 teams may prefer Suh.
After how much Suh dominated, I could end up being proven wrong. I'm not counting on it though.
I came here to post virtually the same thing that you wrote. Suh was spectacular last night....double team him, he just ripped right through the middle....single team him? it's like he was saying, how dare you. amazing performance.
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Suh is incredible.. That guy is so athletic and agile.. Unbelievable strength with great hands and reaction instincts around the line as well...
One of my best buds in Mpls is from Lincoln, so I never get a break from hearing about Suh..
Guy is a beast..
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I'm not much for picking players in the draft,, haven't been right much.. So this year, I think I'll start out by just reviewing various sites and see what I can see.. Checked this one out... http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htmAny opinions on it.
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That is the worst mock I have seen for this year so far. Absolutely terrible. Don't take that the wrong way.
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