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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 7, 2009 1:51 PM ET
The Browns have considered trading Braylon Edwards since the day Eric Mangini took over. Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer says, in fact, they planned to trade Edwards earlier before Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian while drunk driving, ending Stallworth's season.
But that incident caused the Browns to keep Edwards heading into 2009, and Cabot lays out many quality reasons that Cleveland's delay ultimately cost them.
We can't argue with that, but we would argue that they received a good haul for Edwards considering the present circumstances.
The third-round pick Cleveland traded for can escalate to a second-round pick if Edwards gets a certain number of receptions, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter and the New York Daily News. (It can't move to a fourth-rounder no matter how passes Edwards drops.)
The number of receptions Edwards must catch is reportedly high and unlikely to be achieved, so the most likely return for Edwards is still a third and fifth-round pick, in addition to Chansi Stuckey and Jason Trusnik.
Considering the time of the deal, Edwards' lack of production, and pain-in-the-Mangini factor, the Browns did fairly well. Stuckey might be the second best receiver on the Browns at the moment, and Trusnik will be a core special teams player.
And the Browns need all the draft picks they can get for a future that wasn't going to include Edwards for very long anyway.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/200...second-rounder/
The biggest thing I don't like about all of this is the timing. Could this have waited one more week and guaranteed the second? I think the closer to the deadline that this deal happens, the better the haul the team would have received.
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The third-round pick Cleveland traded for can escalate to a second-round pick if Edwards gets a certain number of receptions, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter and the New York Daily News. (It can't move to a fourth-rounder no matter how passes Edwards drops.)
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Man I think the jets just robbed us again.  He was the only threat on our offense man this team is going to be a lot of fun to watch this year. 
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Man I think the jets just robbed us again.
He was the only threat on our offense man this team is going to be a lot of fun to watch this year.
So true. Our only threat gave us all 20 points last game with his, uh, 0 catches, 0 touchdowns, 0 first downs. He is a decent blocker though, I'll give him that.
And I'll save you the reply: "But he drew quintuple coverage that allowed MoMass to get open!" He was one on one when the pass hit him in the numbers and bounced to the ground. Thanks but no thanks.
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Quick question who on our offense will pose any type of threat now?
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Phil Savage is long gone,but he continues to do damage to this franchise.
Phil Savage is akin to this franchise to what a iceberg was to the Titanic.
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Don't kid yourself...our offense just took a big hit.
In the long run, it's for the best, but don't expect MoMass to be stepping up into his role right away.
It's going to hurt for a bit.
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Kinda a no win situation for Mangini .. Stays here , dosn't do much and all his problems ...Or ends up lighting up the field with Sanchez at Qb. over there 
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Anderson, Heiden, Mass, Cribbs, Lewis, Harrison - take your pick. They all posed more of a threat than Edwards did the last four games.
If your point is that we lack talent, I agree.
If your point is that we lack talent because Edwards is no longer here, I disagree. Edwards was not giving us talent, he was giving us grief.
He'll be great for the Jets, because he wants to play there. He was and would continue to be, useless for us.
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He was the only threat on our offense man this team is going to be a lot of fun to watch this year.
It's not about THIS YEAR. Mangini and Kokinis know it's not about THIS YEAR. I'm sure they want to win but I doubt they really care whether or not you find it entertaining THIS YEAR. We already have some good young talent, we now have a first, which will be high, our second, which will be high, Tampa Bays second, which will be high, our third which will be high, the Jets third (most likely), which should be in the middle, and a host of lower picks that could be bundled to move up if need be.... that's what it's about.
It's about weeding out the Winslows and the Edwards's, and moving forward...
My biggest fear in the whole thing is that Mangini follows last years plan (and the Bellichick plan) and moves out of the the high draft pick spots... yes we have holes to fill, but we need a couple studs, a couple serious impact players...
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I think we have Tampa's 5th this year.
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I forgot we had TB's 2nd round pick..two high picks in the second round should land us some serious playmakers if Mangini and Kokinis can hit on those picks.
I don't blame Mangini for trading with the Jets. He knows what to expect from those players and was responsible for bringing to the Jets in the first place.
Hopefully Robiskie can get some experience and MoMass builds from the Cincy game.
I'm hoping DA plays well enough that we don't have to spend a draft pick on a QB yet again. OL, DL, and LB. Those are the positions I hope we draft with our 3 high draft picks.
Everyone keeps saying Edwards is our only playmaker. Stop living in the past. The kid had one good season out of 5. He's a bust and won't do any better in NY...
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Correct. We had Tampa Bay's 2nd round pick in last years draft, and this year we have their 5th round pick.
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Correct. We had Tampa Bay's 2nd round pick in last years draft, and this year we have their 5th round pick.
Bummer..oh well more draft picks the merrier..It's all about finding those playmakers no matter what round it is..
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Yeah, I wish we had Tampa's 2nd. I thought our trade was for Tampa's second this year (Veikune) and a 5th in the draft coming up
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sometimes you have to cut your losses. Two players, a 3rd and a 5th is better than the late round 4th we might otherwise have gotten and I'm certain that BE will demand a whole lot of cash for his next contract. There is something to be said for dumping the contract or future contract as well.
The only other huge contracts remaining, if I'm correct are :
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Mangini is being fiscally responsible with the trade as well. I can't help but wonder if one of the QBs goes before the beginning of the next season. There will be plenty of room for high priced hopefully "productive' players if this continues.
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I should have known that draft website was wrong when it showed us taking Dez Bryant (WR) in the first round after taking 2 WRs last year.. either that or they are prophetic and knew of the pending BE trade. 
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Hope Edwards has a gun for when he goes to those NYC Clubs 
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It's not about THIS YEAR. Mangini and Kokinis know it's not about THIS YEAR.
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My biggest fear in the whole thing is that Mangini follows last years plan (and the Bellichick plan) and moves out of the the high draft pick spots... yes we have holes to fill, but we need a couple studs, a couple serious impact players...
Philosophically, I disagree here.
I think, as a whole, we have to get better across the board instead of making a serious upgrade at just one position, and that's done with multiple draft picks.
I'd normally try and dive into examples, but there's no real reason for it. Just wanted to say I'd prefer another move like this year where we keep dropping down in the 1st and acquire more 1st day picks.
You can find some damned good guards, defensive ends, linebackers, and running backs in that 2nd round..........
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I thought Edwards would get moved before the draft....Im surprised he got moved now.
The last 3 season Edwards gained 3046 yards or 1015 yards a year.
You can easily argue he left about 500 more a year on the field.....but thats still a lot of production that just left the team.
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DO you mean on the FIELD or the STREETS? 
Sorry I havta ask 
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It's amazing how one trade can illicit such a broad range of opinion.
The fact is, this guy was GONE anyway. There was no way he would have come back here. Considering that, we will have done without his services for a grand total of 9 or 10 games (given the almost certain 2-3 game suspension he serve for his brawl).
9-10 games. And for that we get a replacement who stands a chance to perform better than the collassal disappointment Edwards has been. 2007 is a long way away, guys, and this year he wasn't looking much different from last year. We can morn his abilities but it wasn't translating to production here and wasn't gonna. He'd left Cleveland long ago. I believe it was him who said "I don't care. I signed a 5 year contract." I mean, come on.
The guy wasn't going to light the year on fire. We know that. He was going to walk. We know that. We got a lot for the services of a disgruntled, lame duck reciever if you ask me.
Now we can develop Mo, Robo, and Chanci and possibly have a very good, very young WR corps that is smart, hard-working and actually wants to be here.
And a coupla picks. I say well firckin done.
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sometimes you have to cut your losses. Two players, a 3rd and a 5th is better than the late round 4th we might otherwise have gotten and I'm certain that BE will demand a whole lot of cash for his next contract. There is something to be said for dumping the contract or future contract as well.
The only other huge contracts remaining, if I'm correct are :
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Thomas
Anderson
Rogers
Steinbach
Williams
Mangini is being fiscally responsible with the trade as well. I can't help but wonder if one of the QBs goes before the beginning of the next season. There will be plenty of room for high priced hopefully "productive' players if this continues.
Mangini is using the broom......
Just an FYI.... Quinn isn't going to hit any of his escalators, so his is NOT a big contract at all. In fact, it's quite the contrary.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Everything I read it goes up to a 2nd if he catches so many passes...and that number is REALLY HIGH
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...and that number is REALLY HIGH
Probably 80 or 100. Normally not a terribly high number, but with 1/4 of the season gone already, it is a VERY high number.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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So we are guaranteed a 3rd.
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J / K One thing we all need to keep in mind.... 1. BE did not wanna be in cleveland. 2. BE would have left at seasons end, leaving us with nothing to show for his time in Cleveland. 3. IF....IF..We would have wanted to keep BE, he would have cost us so much money it would have hand cuffed us at other postions. BE didn't & wouldnt have cared about it becuase it was and is always about Him. 4. Re-signing BE some team is gonna over spend alot, I mean alot. He isnt worth the money he wants or thinks he should get. There is better or same for less money. We did the right thing. Next a QB will be going...Which one....stay tuned 
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I'm sure we will end up with even more than that, after this season we should be able to trade one or both of our QB's.
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No reason to trade our QB's..They are both learning the system. DA is the starter and BQ is the backup. BQ's salary is equal to a backup QB. Keep them both.
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I'm sure we will end up with even more than that, after this season we should be able to trade one or both of our QB's.
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Probably 80 or 100. Normally not a terribly high number, but with 1/4 of the season gone already, it is a VERY high number.
I can see it right now. Edwards needs 1 catch to move the pick up to the 2nd round and he drops it. Where else but in C-Town can a player not on your team kill you by dropping passes. 
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I'm sure we will end up with even more than that, after this season we should be able to trade one or both of our QB's.
Agreed.
I actually think those draft picks could be some serious ammunition to trade up and get another 1st round pick as well.
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Well, at least I won't have the excruciating task of defending him anymore ... although it was self appointed. I did really love his talent, but after his latest incident and after all this new information has to come light on what a pretty poor character he was, I think this is for the best for the Cleveland Browns. He may stud out with NY, but I am now of the opinion it would have never worked out here.
BE, The Browns deserved better than what you gave.
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Philosophically, I disagree here.
I think, as a whole, we have to get better across the board instead of making a serious upgrade at just one position, and that's done with multiple draft picks.
I'd normally try and dive into examples, but there's no real reason for it. Just wanted to say I'd prefer another move like this year where we keep dropping down in the 1st and acquire more 1st day picks.
You can find some damned good guards, defensive ends, linebackers, and running backs in that 2nd round..........
I suppose we'll have to philosophically disagree then.... sort of.
I agree that we could find a darn good OG or RT in the 2nd or 3rd round. I agree that we could find a pretty good RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. I think we could find another pretty good LB in the 2nd or 3rd round...
But if we are drafting in the top 5, I want to use the pick. I want to see what Wright and Pool and McDonald look like with a Troy P or Ed Reed type of safety back there... or I'd like to see what Wimbley and DQ and Rogers look like with a Demarcus Ware on at the OLB spot...
So I don't see why we can't do both (or at least try to)... add at least one stud with that high pick, then with our 2nd and 2 3rds, fill 3 of the other spots you mentioned...
I've been saying all along, this team lacks star power, it lacks a difference maker...
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I've been saying all along, this team lacks star power, it lacks a difference maker...
Edwards and Quinn were supposed to be our difference makers.
Forgot about Winslow as well.
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I've been saying all along, this team lacks star power, it lacks a difference maker...
Edwards and Quinn were supposed to be our difference makers.
Forgot about Winslow as well.
I'm not saying we haven't tried to find one, I'm saying we haven't been successful at it.. that doesn't mean you stop trying.
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We need impact players in the worst way. I would rather use our high pick and trade back into the first with some of the other picks, if possible, and try to nab two impact players.
The other guys on this team will all look much better with an impact player or two.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Thinking about the terms of the conditional draft pick 2nd/3rd depending on performance...
Wasn't there a similar condition on Tampa's 5th round pick with the Kellen Winslow trade?
So far Winslow has 17 catches for 155 yards and 2 TDS. Which projects to around 70 catches 600+ yards and around 8TDs.
Does anyone know what the terms of the conditional 5th round pick?
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Doesn't necessarily have to be a top 5 pick... it depends on where the draft is the deepest... Berry and Mays (at least at this point) are both great safety prospects, will they both be gone if we could trade back to 11 or 12? I don't know..
Heck, look at the year we took BE at #3 (stop reading now if you have a weak stomach)... but DeMarcus Ware was taken at 11 and Merriman at 12...
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