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Edwards is gone but not forgotten. As he headed out to practice, backup Browns quarterback Brady Quinn pointed to his shiny orange cleats -- a pair left behind by Edwards.
"In honor of Braylon," Quinn said.
I didn't care for Quinn the football personality before this comment, and I sure as Hell don't care for him now.
Maybe he wants out too, and if he is too stoopid so as to side with a freakin' jackass idiot like Edwards, then he can be on the next plane out of town...........
I'm sure that might be exactly what's on his mind, he's got to be getting tired of the games by now. It wouldn't suprise me if he asked permission to seek a trade, if not now, then during the off season. 
Should we not win in Buffalo and go 0-8 into the bye week, I wonder how many other players might be thinking of jumping ship on Capt. Mangenious ASAP ???? 
With the CBA up in the air and a possible no cap season approaching, how many players have contracts that are about to expire, where can I find that list ? If Rogers and a few others are coming up, I'm sure they'll find a lot of takers out there, especially if they can get away from Mangenious heavy handedness. It would be very interesting, to find out how many players agents are foaming from the mouth to get their clients a new deal elsewhere ! 
I'm sure teams like Denver, NE, Arizona and a few others would give up a ST player and a 5th & 7th for BQ and all our QB problems will cease to exist, riiiiighttt !  
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Man, for years I've been blasting this team for being undisciplined both on and off the field. The off-field incidents were a constant with this team, and the lack of focus that comes from all the constant distractions has made us the butt of every imaginable NFL joke.
Personally, I don't mind a bit of hardass approach with this bunch. Every coach we've had has tried everything BUT that. It's about time someone came here and made these players into a team... instead of a bunch of individuals who dress alike.
I'm thinking that this is the first (most necessary) step towards building a professional organization.
I wish it had happened sooner.
I agree.
Go to any HS and you find numbered parking stalls where students are assigned to park and cell phones aren't allowed.
These are pretty simple rules to follow.
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Can someone please tell me who DA is throwing to now??
The same folks that he threw to last weekend. As I recall our big time me me me #1 WR was not to be seen, and it seems to me that DA had an OK day without Leon....
I do agree however it would have been better to have made a deal this spring -vs- now but it is what it is. No more distractions, no more big mouth in the huddle lockerroom practice field. No more being uncomfortable for the rest of the WR core because of big mouth.
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Can someone please tell me who DA is throwing to now??
The same folks that he threw to last weekend. As I recall our big time me me me #1 WR was not to be seen, and it seems to me that DA had an OK day without Leon....
We had the same production from Stuckey as we did from Edwards last week, and Stuckey wasn't even on the team.
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Can someone please tell me who DA is throwing to now??
The same folks that he threw to last weekend. As I recall our big time me me me #1 WR was not to be seen, and it seems to me that DA had an OK day without Leon....
We had the same production from Stuckey as we did from Edwards last week, and Stuckey wasn't even on the team.
Excellent point for those who are whining about Edwards and one they need to note.
I have come to the conclusion some people whine because it is in their DNA.
Braby hasn't done anything for the team in 2 years.
We are a better team without that guy.
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Wearing Edwards cleats? Seriously?
I don't think he was wearing them, I think they were just left behind there, probably since orange won't work on the Jets. 
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Quincey Morgan actually had "better" size and was a bit faster than Edwards, but he still suffered the dropsies...even on 3 different teams, part of the reason the Steelers didn't keep Morgan
Does this mean that Edwards is going to play.... wait for it
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Man, for years I've been blasting this team for being undisciplined both on and off the field. The off-field incidents were a constant with this team, and the lack of focus that comes from all the constant distractions has made us the butt of every imaginable NFL joke.
Personally, I don't mind a bit of hardass approach with this bunch. Every coach we've had has tried everything BUT that. It's about time someone came here and made these players into a team... instead of a bunch of individuals who dress alike.
I'm thinking that this is the first (most necessary) step towards building a professional organization.
I wish it had happened sooner.
I agree.
Go to any HS and you find numbered parking stalls where students are assigned to park and cell phones aren't allowed.
These are pretty simple rules to follow.
To agreeably extend that thought, it's the lack of personal discipline in these simple situations that displays the inability to make a good decision in a hard situation. Either that or the guy is simply a contrador, and will never fit in.
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Look, its nice to say that we should cut this and that player, but if this needed to get done, it should have been done in April or May, NOT OCTOBER!!.
This was a bone-headed move by Mangenious! Not that I think BE is wonderful and was a great find. But what the hell is a struggling offense going to do now?? Can someone please tell me who DA is throwing to now??
It's simple, Mangini had to do a couple things.. 1. He had to see if BE responded to the rules in place and straightened up like almost all of the other players evidently have. He did not. My guess is that he knew either Winslow or Edwards had to go but didn't want to get rid of them both right away, he made a choice. 2. He had to see if the Browns were any good and if they were winning, I believe he honestly thought the Browns would look better than they did in weeks 1-3, he had to keep expectations up. 3. Now that the Browns are not winning and it's pretty obvious to everybody that any kind of playoff run is out of the question, you trade BE for whatever you can get.
I think that is why it transpired the way it did.
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Django won't respond to my slap on him yesterday...he was doing that ole classic no-no..trying to use stats to show the new reciever isn't a threat..
I asked him since he said Stuckey never got seperation , then explain Edwards having 0 catches against the Bengals..what?
He couldn't get seperation?
Fact is if Brayless can't catch his first pass..he disappears..how does a # 1 just vanish?
He won't hardly go over the middle at all..he doesn't do the things that make him a complete weapon..
So while he was physically gifted his attitude is handicapped...so he can speak of the Jets of being this postive spin..go ahead , you were a little cancer here..the trade had to be done..regardless of the timing..
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I was the Cincy game. Braylon was not getting a ton of attention from the D. He was just a non-factor. Not open much, catching even less.
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Don't know why it's taken so long for the comparison to pop in my head... but doesn't Brey remind you of MeShawn (since he's now with the Jets)? God I hate that guy... I hate him as a player, and I hate him even more as an analyst.
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In terms of arrogance, yeah, they are both pompous asses.
Of course the differences are that one was a possession receiver while the other can be a deep threat, and then there's the fact that Meshawn could........you know........actually catch the damn ball, whereas Leon leads the league in drops.
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Django won't respond to my slap on him yesterday...
What are we,, back in 1st Grade
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New coach Eric Mangini doesn't tolerate troublemakers.
I know there are plenty of folks out there that don't care for Mangini,, But I have to ask you all this.. Would Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Chuck Noll, Don Shula, Bill Parcels or Bill Belicheck tolerate troublemakers?
I don't think any of them would.. Just asking
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just clicking....
A couple of comments...even when picking high in the draft, you can't overlook a players character just because he's a super performer. Both Winslow and Edwards are great examples of players who had serious character flaws that came back to bite the Browns.
Concerning Braylon in NY...his performance will likely improve greatly as Braylon is the type of guy who does well when the team is winning. But what happens to Braylon's performance when things are not going well?
Does Braylon work harder to help lead his team..to overcome during the tough times"
OR, does Braylon compound a team's problems by becoming a problem himself?
Braylon can overcome these flaws in his character if he applies himself and listens to what coaches are attempting to teach.
The one issue that I don't see Braylon overcoming is his selfishness.
I would expect to see it surface in NY just as it did in Cleveland...Braylon cares about Braylon, on and maybe more so, off the field. Braylon wants to be a "commercial" star and his focus on expanding his own horizons will not diminish in NY, IMO.
As a long time fan, I'm growing tired of seeing the Browns picking high in the draft and finding out the guy they picked is a pain in the butt when faced with tough times. We need players who will work harder to turn this franchise into a winner. We need players who care about winning and hate to lose.
This team needs "leaders" who hate to lose and demand more from their teammates.
Now I wonder, who will be the next to go? Who else performs or acts like they don't give a crap about being a Cleveland Brown?
I do wonder if Shawn Rogers could be next?....jmho...mac
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I didn't care for Quinn the football personality before this comment, and I sure as Hell don't care for him now.
Maybe he wants out too, and if he is too stoopid so as to side with a freakin' jackass idiot like Edwards, then he can be on the next plane out of town...........
Not that anyone should take this as gospel,, but I was listening to Kenny Roda (sp) on WKNR yesterday.. He seemed sure that Quinn would be the next to go.. and he seemed sure it would happen within a few weeks. I wasn't aware of it, but Roda made reference to Quinn not being happy about the benching and he's kinda not shutting up and taking it like a man..
Again, that's the impression I got from listening to Roda.. I have no idea if there is any truth to it.. But this comment by Quinn kinda leads me to believe it could be true.
so, you might just see what you say come to pass Toad..... Again, this if from a sports talking head so take it with a grain of salt...
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Man, for years I've been blasting this team for being undisciplined both on and off the field. The off-field incidents were a constant with this team, and the lack of focus that comes from all the constant distractions has made us the butt of every imaginable NFL joke.
Personally, I don't mind a bit of hardass approach with this bunch. Every coach we've had has tried everything BUT that. It's about time someone came here and made these players into a team... instead of a bunch of individuals who dress alike.
I'm thinking that this is the first (most necessary) step towards building a professional organization.
I wish it had happened sooner.
Yup me too. Too bad Mangini isn't doing this stuff AND being 2-2 or better. I have tingles up and down my spine about where this organization would be going.......but ultimately, 0-4 trumps my feelings right now. I want to believe in him, I really do. We'll see...
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IMO Rogers WILL be next...think about it, he wants to win NOW, he is RIGHT at his prime, we have been playing/hoping for Rubin, other teams would place HIGH value on him, etc
It just makes sense (in Mangini's eyes) to trade him while we can and get HIGH value for him...let the fire sale continue
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Think again..Rodgers is not being a distraction..this isn't even close..
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Now I wonder, who will be the next to go? Who else performs or acts like they don't give a crap about being a Cleveland Brown?
I have been thinking about this since I heard about the trade. Rogers is definitely one, but DQ and Cribbs came to mind first.
Winslow wanted a new contract, wasn't getting it. Caused a stink and got traded, only to land a monster contract. He won.
Braylon wanted out, caused a stink and got traded to a 3-1 team that looks like it could make some real noise. He won.
Cribbs wants a new contract, isn't getting it... and DQ is getting to a point where he wants a better contract then his second rounder, and probably deserves it.
I'm not saying either will, but it wouldn't shock me it they did. It seems to be the way to get your way on this team.
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I wasn't aware of it, but Roda made reference to Quinn not being happy about the benching and he's kinda not shutting up and taking it like a man..
I told Diam last year about what I'd been told regarding Quinn's REAL personality. It isn't what most would expect or hope for.
I haven't really put much stock in anything Roda has been reported as saying over the years, and I'm not going to here, though I'm appreciative of your efforts to tell me about what he's said 
It's entirely possible the thing with Quinn and Leon's shoes was taken out of context, but if it's not, he's an ass. If he isn't taking his benching like a man, he needs to grow a pair and get over himself. He hasn't earned anything as a pro, and hasn't shown he's the answer. So if he is squawking, he needs to STHU and spend his efforts trying to fix what's wrong instead of bumping his gums.
If what Roda says is true, I've just about had enough of Quinn.
I'll tell you about the trend that's happening here:
Winslow: Given a new contract and a chance at redemption by Savage: GONE.
Edwards: Made the face of the franchise by Savage and put in a bullet-proof bubble to where he was untouchable: GONE.
Quinn: Drafted and handed the job, but his contract demands cost him the gig as a rookie. Three years later, he's landed on the bench for bad play and is no longer handed the Browns franchise on a plate.
All three were leftovers from a previous regime, and all three have to earn their way with the new coach. Two of the three couldn't cut it and are now out of town.
Quinn: Take the hint. Shape up or ship out.
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No Way,,, Rogers is being a good guy,, playing extremely well, seemingly not causing any problems. Why on earth would they get rid of him?
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Don't know why it's taken so long for the comparison to pop in my head... but doesn't Brey remind you of MeShawn (since he's now with the Jets)? God I hate that guy... I hate him as a player, and I hate him even more as an analyst.
They are nothing alike...
Keyshawn could catch the ball.. he could get open.. he could move the chains... He is very unappreciated just b/c of his arrogant nature... no different than Michael Irvin IMO.
Braylon Edwards is like TO... simple. perfect comparison, except TO is much stronger..
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I never said he was causing a distraction, I think he is playing great and being a great teammate
I was looking at it from Mangini's perspective. We would get high value for him, get rid of his salary, AND he won't be here when they plan to be a contender anyways....we're going to lose 14 games regardless of who's on the team or not, so why not get 2 or 3 draft picks for him
Again, not MY opinion, but I have a feeling it might be Mangini's
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I guess u can change ur sig now too..
Anderson drops back...
MoMass and Robo wide left...
lol.
Does anyone get the impression that with the Browns trading away Edwards, that it gives Mangini a free pass this season?
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haha good call turk i COMPLETELY forgot about my sig...pretty soon it will be ratliff drops back.....sacked
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We ain't playing for anything this year except foundation & pride. The folks that are the most nuts right now are the one's that thought we'd sniff 8-8 or better. Yea, sorry 'bout that.
That is real easy to say now, that we are 0-4 and looking at 0-16. And I do not remember anyone in the organization talking that "playing for pride BS"! I thought you play to win, but maybe this is a "pride" organization now, since that is about all we got!!
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Bray Bray was GONE after this year. Period. Nothing but the memory of his wafting CK-1, some empty 5-hour energy bottles and a few '07 youtube clips to remind us of what could have been.
This has been the fact after his second year. So why not get rid of him in the off season, get what you can, sign some FAs( veteran Wrs who can mentor the youth) and pick up a rookie to groom!. Then let the offense grown together!.
Rebuilding blocks.. please, at a 3rd and 5th, Mangenious will probably trade them back to the Jets for some scrub he used to coach. BTW - how are the scrubs he brought in working out?? Again, not saying we should not have gotten rid of him, just not now!!
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The realization that this was a rebuilding year gives Mangini a partial pass, but no trade or end-results can excuse how he screwed up the QB situation leading up to opening day.
However, preceding that, I didn't think rebuilding was necessary. One or two well-placed mid-to-high level free agents could have made a huge difference to this team.
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It's like I said Toad,, Take Roda with a grain of salt.. I just found his take interesting.. Quote:
He hasn't earned anything as a pro, and hasn't shown he's the answer
I've kinda been hinting around about that all summer.. With the debate raging on and on, I wondered, why is he getting all this love while DA is getting spat upon.. What had Quinn done to deserve all the love..
I mean, think about it, with all his stardom and supposed readiness, he couldn't come in to camp late and beat out Charlie Frye who most on here thought was a horrible.. (need I rehash all that?,, NO LOL)
With Frye Gone, and DA taking over,, and DA having a pretty darn good year, Quinn had to pretty much come in during camp and sparkle to get the job from DA.. Did he? Nope, he did not.
Now comes this summer... Quinn is pretty much in the drivers seat, most thought he would come in and take what is supposed to be rightfully his..
Well, he got the job, but the margin of victory wasn't exactly overwhelming.. IMO, he barely beat out a guy (DA) that most folks thought shouldn't even be on the team anymore.... LOL
Look who's starting now.. Quinn couldn't beat out a 6th round pick.... What's that tell you?
It tells me, he isn't ready for prime time and may never be...
I get no joy out of saying or feeling this... I'd much rather Quinn turn into another Dan Marino for us.. But I don't see it happening..
My guess, he's the next to go..
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You know, if the Mangini would have brought in a good Vet receiver, especially after Stallworth's incident, I would have not have questioned this move. As far if BE was going to straighten out, there are all these so called reports only coming out now. Well lets say some of those are true, then why didn't Mangini, the GM and the owner take care of it. How about telling BE about himself as soon as you are hired to let him know what is expected of him. Also, if you think about it, the reason that BE got outta control was because we did not have a good vet receiver grooming the younger ones. Plus if a coach, either head coach or position coach cannot bench a player who is acting out( due to the GM..aka savage) catching their back or the problem player KNOWING that there isnt a viable replacement for him, ... WHAT DID WE EXPECT!!!
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Your right, this year he is starting. But Sanchez has not been looking at him much, Cotchery has been getting most of the catches.
sorry, but that is incorrect....Stuckey has 26 targets while Cotchery has 34 targets, so Sanchez has been looking to him.
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Well lets say some of those are true, then why didn't Mangini, the GM and the owner take care of it. How about telling BE about himself as soon as you are hired to let him know what is expected of him.
Are you saying that Mangini laid the law down for everyone but Edwards? IT seems that everyone else got the message so I'm thinking they DID tell him where things stand... It seems as if he wasn't listening.. Wouldn't be the first time.....
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The realization that this was a rebuilding year gives Mangini a partial pass, but no trade or end-results can excuse how he screwed up the QB situation leading up to opening day.
However, preceding that, I didn't think rebuilding was necessary. One or two well-placed mid-to-high level free agents could have made a huge difference to this team.
That and some luck in being completely injury free,...Jamal comes to mind, now Davis, who showed a lot of promise. Pool is a lot better than he has shown and I blame that partially on being concussion prone -- a side effect of constantly lowering the boom (Catch 22). Jurevicius & Winslow 'could' both still be here but for staph infections,....Dawson, whom I don't think we would have at all second-guessed a 58 yarder over,....etc., etc.
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Geez Toad. With all these Quinn posts, that space might not be for rent for long.
It took about a day, but it sounds like you got a new target.
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Are you saying that Mangini laid the law down for everyone but Edwards? IT seems that everyone else got the message so I'm thinking they DID tell him where things stand... It seems as if he wasn't listening.. Wouldn't be the first time.....
Nope, but from what we have read about Mangini, he does not talk to anyone!! Just tells them about the rules, what he wants and that is it!!. Look how long it took the Browns to resolve that stupid situation with Rogers! 5 minute meeting could have resolved that.
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Just clicking...pretty sure the traded picks to us is conditional.
BE does well (don't know the conditions - one Mangini hater (ya mean there are any out there in the media) just rolled his eyes and said they were unattainable.
Then I read that all BE has to do is catch 50 passes for us to get that 2nd???
Any way BE starts this weekend. Hope they go to him often - I'm sure he'll convince young Sanchez to throw it up to him everytime he's in a quagmire. On the NY stage he actually might fight for the ball and make good plays. We know that he can make some very Sick Catches...he has talent. Good, Go Get them great results.
What I do know.
He wouldn't be a Brown in 2010 most of us Knew that prior to this season.
We wouldn't be able to get Spiddle for him - He had to have a Pro-Bowl year and us have Success for teams to Pay dearly for him. He was a clusterMuck to happen staying here and provide negatives as his numbers would be low and he would have to throw the Browns in the DIRT to upgrade his Money status for 2010 FAgency!
To trade him in the OFF season he would have to SIGN OUR TENDER! Which means we would be able to get that signature only if it was a trade BE coveted! Which means we would have ZERO leverage in the trade. I'm thinking we would have gotten a 4th rounder for him. If anyting as teams would know he wouldn't sign without a trade and we would drop him (release and get nothing!)
Let him have a Pro-Bowl season with the JETS...No way he was going to have it here so there should be no lamentations of letting him go. Cause it wasn't happening here NO WAY!
Hate drafting WRs high but got to love the MoMas, Robo 2nd round picks and rationalized it from Day one as picks to prepare us for life without BE. Coming 12 games earlier than expected thats all. MoMas has already arrived. Heard we might get a glimpse of both on the field at the same time this Game
Of course Django would have us believe we don't have a clue whats going on.
We are building a team. Unfortunately we need a QB...but M/K hasn't picked theirs yet!
JMHO
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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Nope, but from what we have read about Mangini, he does not talk to anyone!!
Well, Mangini doesn't talk much to the press, and what we've read has come from them. A lot of it is speculation and inferences. We've also read from some players that he does talk, so I'm sure the truth is at least in the middle.
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do.
-Derek Jeter
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Then I read that all BE has to do is catch 50 passes for us to get that 2nd???
Where did you see that?
A lot of us have been trying to get that figure .
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