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I really do not want a QB this year, especially when I think the best pro prospect cannot even declare in Jacory Harris.

Gimme an impact defensive player.

I thought it was when in doubt ask yourself "What would Tim Tebow do?"

LOL

I am not above anyone on this board. There are several people on here who I think know quite a bit more football than me. Diam, Toad, and Attack are all apart of that club. That's why I love talking about the draft and football with them. Candyman also knows a lot about the draft. I will say that you know more about it than most.

And of course my opinion will change. Like I already said, the more you see, the more you know. By draft time, I will have a set opinion. And I will be wrong. I will be wrong about how high or low players will go, and how good they will be.

Scott Wright, THE NFL Draft expert, changes his opinion even more than I do. Anyone who consistently watches a player is going to have changes in their opinion. Someone may look great one week and terrible the next. You have to take the balance of what is seen.

I have now watched Jimmy Clausen five times this year. I've formed a pretty solid opinion on him. I've watched Tim Tebow MANY times. I've developed a very solid opinion on him.

You can attack me all you want: I don't care. I have the respect of posters who I respect

Davy - Mocking Dan is a former colleague (sort of) of mine. I don't read the site though. I don't intent do put down your opinion. All I'm saying is that you could very well be right, and I have seen him make some good throws, but I've seen too many times where his arm was below average. I'm not saying his arm is Charlie Frye like, but it isn't very good.

I will add that I am a fan of dawg66's mock.

I agree with everything you just said deep.

I'd rather have someone disagree with me then agree all the time. The only reason why I know a lot about the draft is because I quite litterally try to watch every single college football game. If it wasn't for yours or attacks input there would have been a lot of great college players I would have never had the chance to see. Even though the odds of the browns selecting these players is slim I LOVE watching college football and watching young men develop their careers and actually make it. I gurantee you guys know more about the NFL then I do but that's because I am very passionate about college football.

1. Eric Berry - S - Tennesse
2. Anthony Davis - RT - Rutgers
3a. Brandon Graham - OLB - Michigan
3b. Charles Scott - RB - LSU
4. Dennis Pitta - TE - BYU
5a. Brandon Carter - RG - Texas Tech
5b. Alterraun Verner - CB - UCLA
6. Jay Ross - DE - ECU
7. Kelton Tindal - WR - Newberry

Don't mean to condescend, but Davis is a top 15 pick, and Graham will likely go in the 1st.

Yeah but how will you feel about those guys next week?

I'm stating the general consensus there. I'm not sure if I like Davis that much yet, but some people think he's a top 5 pick. I haven't seen enough to be honest. With Graham, my opinion has a 90% chance of not changing.

But I reserve the right to exercise that 10% chance.

I can't argue with your points.

Davis is a less talented version of Andre Smith IMO. Could be a good to average LT but a stud RT.

I'd love charles scott in the 3rd round!

Could you imagine this guy and Rogers on the same d-line? I doubt it would happen because the d-line isnt the problem and the Browns have bigger needs. I think a Saftey, RT, or QB will be the first pick. But we still have FA to fill holes before we have any clue what the top needs are. I doubt the QB position will be filled in FA and there are a lot of safties to be had in this upcoming draft.

Has anyone seen the SS from Toledo? He isnt bad and would be a replacement over Sorenson in the 3-5 rounds.

Who is Suh? Only the nation's best defensive player
Oct. 13, 2009
By Dennis Dodd
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12357902



It's hard to quantify. Imagine having a dog that can talk or a car that goes underwater. That's Ndamukong Suh. His game is as different as his name. Things he does aren't supposed to be done.

"I can't imagine," Missouri coach Gary Pinkel said, "a better defensive lineman in the country."

Nebraska's defensive tackle is approaching the point where he becomes the defensive equivalent of Tim Tebow -- able to control the game by himself. At 6-4, 300 pounds, he is Gumby -- able to stretch his body into places where it doesn't belong, able to achieve what no defensive tackle has done before him.


During the win at Missouri, Suh tallied six tackles, a sack, forced fumble and an interception. (US Presswire)
That's why his game is so hard to quantify. Suh, whose name is pronounced En-dom-ah-ken Soo, is coming off what might be the best game ever by a collegiate defensive tackle. On a rain-soaked Faurot Field at Missouri on Thursday, he was seemingly the only once with balance, so much so that he put together one of the more staggering lines for a tackle -- six tackles, a sack, a forced fumble, two pass breakups and an interception that led to the winning touchdown.

That's a good month for some defensive tackles. Before being drafted in the first round, LSU's Glenn Dorsey had an All-American season in 2007 making all of 69 tackles. Suh had 76 last season as a junior. That made him the first lineman to lead Nebraska in that statistic since 1973, plus the 76 tackles were the most by a Husker lineman since 1992.

Suh is tied for sixth nationally in passes defended, a category usually reserved for defensive backs. He is one of only three defensive linemen listed in the NCAA's top 100 in that category. At a position that is usually reserved for fat, stubby guys, Suh dominates. The Football Writers Association of America named him the national defensive player of the week.

How many defensive tackles do you know who can jump out of the gym? That's part of the reason why Suh has five career interceptions. Those are "outside numbers" at a "position inside" as Pinkel puts it.

"When I see him play, I think to myself that this is as good as I've seen around here," Charlie McBride, Nebraska's venerable former defensive coordinator, told the Associated Press before the season.

Former Huskers great Jason Peter wants to see a mean streak. The 1997 Outland Trophy finalist took Suh aside before the 2008 season and told him it's a matter of attitude. You see a guy's taking up the armrest next to you at the movies, knock it off. Walking down the street and dudes coming the other way? Make them move.

"You got to act like a bad [man]," Peter told Suh.

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No, he's not going to win the Heisman, but in college football circles they are whispering that Suh has just about locked up the Outland, the defensive equivalent of the stiff-arm.

The trophy is sponsored by the Greater Omaha Sports Committee, which would love to have one of its own in town to accept the hardware in January. Already, Suh is the nation's best defensive player, a title that he isn't likely to lose considering he is a slam-dunk top five pick in next year's draft. Pro comparisons range from Warren Sapp to Reggie White.

Nebraska would settle for him to be the next Peter. That would be a sign of progress for a program trying to re-establish itself. Peter was the last Husker All-American defensive lineman way back in 1997. That was the year of Nebraska's last national championship and only time a defensive player (Michigan's Charles Woodson) won the Heisman.

"I don't think he has a chance to win the Heisman," said Chris Huston, who operates HeismanPundit.com, which regularly polls voters across the country. "But he actually got a couple of first-place votes this week. The benefit of a guy [like Suh] going for the Heisman is that it will create that consolation effect of locking up the Outland."

Nebraska isn't doing much for Suh in the way of publicity other than to let him play. That Thursday night helped a lot, because Suh and fellow tackle Jared Crick were collapsing Missouri's line seemingly on every play. His advantage, Suh says, is lining up head up on the player in front of him. That makes it more difficult for defenses to double-team him.

"You never know where I'm going to go," Suh said. "I can go to the A gap, the B gap. We're always moving so there's really no way to just sit there and key on me. It's still tough to know where I'm going."

The Missouri game could be just an appetizer. This week the Huskers play Texas Tech and its pass-happy offense. Imagine Suh roaming free against the one-dimensional Red Raiders. Suh was neutralized in last year's meeting with Missouri, a 52-17 loss in Lincoln, but shortly after that he started to blossom. By the end of 2008, he was Nebraska's first All-Big 12 interior defensive lineman in nine years.

"There's more out there for him to get," Nebraska coach Bo Pelini said. "I don't think he's reached his potential yet."

That raises a couple of questions. Why did Suh come to Nebraska in the first place, becoming the Huskers' first scholarship player from Oregon, and why is he still around? Suh, a redshirt senior, could easily have left after last season -- the NFL projected him as a late first-, early second-round pick.

Give the reviled Bill Callahan some credit for getting the kid to Lincoln in 2005. Suh came to Nebraska because he wanted to be in an established program, even though Nebraska at the time was underachieving under the former coach. Suh stayed for a fifth year because he likes Pelini, a defensive zealot, who made a point to visit the player and his family in Portland following the season.

"I definitely thought about coming out," Suh said. "But when Coach Bo came out and spoke to my family before the bowl game, it was sort of a no-brainer for me to come back.

"It wasn't anything to persuade me to come back. It was an opportunity. I could move myself up. Then he said if I did come back he would work with me. At this point it's worth it for me to be a top 10 pick.

"I wanted to prove I wasn't a one-year wonder."

In this world of rogues and miscreants even at the college level, Suh speaks thoughtfully and articulately. His parents are divorced but he remains the proud product of his mother, an elementary teacher from Jamaica and a father who is a native of Cameroon. His name means "House of Spears" in the native tongue of the Ngema tribe.

After the career-altering Missouri game, Suh said his cell phone blew up with 27 messages, most of them from friends and family back in Oregon. Like all of us, they had seen that talking dog, that submarining car.

"The biggest thing for me was doing it on national television," Suh said. "Usually a lot of people back home don't get to see me play."

At his present pace, that's about to change. With the right cable hook-up, the NFL can be seen everywhere.

Suh will be a good-great DT in the NFL. With that said one of the team strengths right now is the defensive line. We don't have enough talent across the board to pull a Vikings and have our 3 best defensive players on the defensive line. Our D would look completely different with some pass rushing OLB or a dominate Safety (Eric Berry or Mays). Then again there's the golden rule. If you don't have a franchise QB (we don't) and there is one available you draft them PERIOD. (Clausin/Locher)

Man I wish Diam would have been right.

I agree about Suh not being a need. I want Eric Berry and would rather wait until at least the 2nd round to select a QB. Especially if Pike could fall a round or to.

If Berry is not available we MUST draft this guy. He could be our Richard Seymour type DE. Him + Rogers on our D-line good lord....

At this point, so early in the scouting process, my opinions are going to be changing very often.

IF Clausen does that he may change some of my opinions. It won't change my thoughts on his arm, but maybe his decision making. Don't count on it though. Bradford and McCoy have had some huge games, but I'm not high on them.

You may not like Wright, but he is considered by nearly everyone to be the best.

On to Suh. He is a stud. Haloti Ngata minus 30 or 40 pounds. And faster.

Dude, it's Clausen... Not Clausin... You're driving me crazy lol.

ok guys.. who do you take in the first?

Richard Semour?
(Suh)
or

Ed Reed?
(Eric Berry)

I think I go Berry... However.. a great push by your front 7 gives your "average" safeties more opportunities to make play...

hmmmmm....

Neither. Jimmy Clausen.

But if you want to go defense, Taylor Mays.

Berry.

I don't see anything wrong with our line.

It's our OLB's that need attention. If we are gonna be drafting as high as I think we are then we will probably be able to snag a good tweener in the second and then a descent line player in the third. All depending on how the draft falls.

Might even be able to land a descent defensive lineman in FA. Seymour will be a free agent and I highly doubt he will wanna stay with the Raiders.

how often do we see the QB sitting back there ready to pick apart our secondary?

I go Suh....everytime. I think he will be a great DE.

Plus, I think Mangini can find a S in the 2nd or 3rd round...sure, not a Berry or Mays....but who was more important to the Pats success? Seymore or Harrison? I think Seymore but maybe some of you disagree.

KC is supposedly shopping Glenn Dorsey and Derrick Johnson.

ranty article quoting NFL network

Even though the Browns d-line is not the weakness, there are no FAs leaving at the end of the year, I would not be upset about the pick. He would upgrade the team. Lets not forget the possibility of an injury but even if it were to happen, I still think they go in a differant direction.

Your right about adding a safety later in the draft. This draft seams to be heavy in safeties.

The reason they are being dangled is because they don't fit the 3-4. And some people told me I was crazy when I suggested this might happen when it was announced they were switching to the 3-4.

Dorsey is playing end for them and he sucks. He isn't a 3-4 player. He focuses too much on penetrating and he chooses gaps.

Isn't the main knock on Dorsey right now that he isn't built to play in the 3-4 scheme? If he does have the ability to be successful in this scheme, then why would the Chiefs trade him in the first place? He also has a monster contract.

No where near the dream you seem to think it is. Especially if Murray, if he's stupid enough to declare.

Pike is considered by many to be top 3 qb in this draft, no way he makes til the bottom end of the 3rd. Not happening.

Where I am having trouble with this draft class is evaluating/getting a feeling for ILBers. Anyone know of a stud or some players to keep an eye on saturdays outside of Brandon Spikes?

Never say never... Duke Robinson dropped to the 5th last year.

Rolando McClain of Alabama is a stud ILB. Much better than Spikes IMO.

J/C

Round 1: Russell Okung, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma State

Round 2: Tim Tebow - Total Mangini type player. - Tebow can play multiple positions and has all the intangibles that Mangini looks for.

As much as I like Okung, I don't see him being a productive right tackle. Too small and weak run blocking.