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If McClain is there in the 2nd, even with me liking Veikune, would be ecstatic. I don't expect him to make it out of the first half of the first though.
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If McClain is there in the 2nd, even with me liking Veikune, would be ecstatic. I don't expect him to make it out of the first half of the first though.
What out of Veikune do you like or have you seen to breed optimism? The fact that they're trying to move him to ILB worries me a bit.
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Anybody watching this Cincy vs South Florida game? Two prospects that I wouldnt mind seeing in a Browns uni in QB Pike for Cincy and DE/OLB pass rusher Selvie for South Florida.
For you draft niks this is a must see game a both players are not disappointing me tonight and I would love to see both in a Browns uni.
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Watching the game, both players look decent I think. Nothing earth shattering.
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Watching the game, both players look decent I think. Nothing earth shattering.
You dont think they could be replacements and upgrades to this team?
Selvie probabley wont make it out of the 1st round so I dont see him coming here anyways.
I dont know how deep Pike can throw but hes making all the throws and shows more touch then DA on short passes.
The Freshman QB from USF is going to have a good college career.
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You dont think they could be replacements and upgrades to this team?
I dont know how deep Pike can throw but hes making all the throws and shows more touch then DA on short passes.
The Freshman QB from USF is going to have a good college career.
Just being an upgrade on this team isn't what I go by, because that's not saying much. And No I dont Think rookie QB pike can help our team. Our issues are far larger than QB, no QB outside of Peyton can help change our team until it comes from up top and rolls down hill if you catch my drift. Our entire FO needs to change including scouting before we can start a major shift here in Cleveland.
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Watching the game, both players look decent I think. Nothing earth shattering.
 Considering most of your post are one liners that basiclly disagree with someone, I'll take that with a grain of salt. How about adding some reasoning behind your one line statements besides disagreeing just to disagree. A poster put Pike in the 3rd round of his mock and you said "Pike is considered a top 3 QB, no way is that happening". I say I like one of your 'considered top 3 QBs' and you just say "Nothing earth shattering."
Do you want to add some substance or do you just want to disagree with people? I try to bring people up during a discussion, not bring them down to ones own miserable woe is me attitude.
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Just being an upgrade on this team isn't what I go by, because that's not saying much. And No I dont Think rookie QB pike can help our team. Our issues are far larger than QB, no QB outside of Peyton can help change our team until it comes from up top and rolls down hill if you catch my drift. Our entire FO needs to change including scouting before we can start a major shift here in Cleveland.
Thats why I said I would like to bring him and and have him sit for a year or 2. I think he can help our team down the road. You dont think a top 3 QB in this draft (Your words not mine) could help this team??? Jeff Fisher drafted McNair in the first round to have him sit for 3 years. Drafting rookie QB Pike later in the draft could help a rebuilding team down the road in my opinion. I like what I see from him. Since you watched to game, what did you see that made you think he couldnt help this team?
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Ok you got me on the woe is me attitude as I dont have a lot of optimism to add to the current regime. Pike is being touted as a top 3 qb prospect meaning he wont be there in the 3rd, that's not my assessment, that the national medias. I was just saying that I doubt he'll be available in the 3rd. Based on his play tonight, he has done nothing to convince me that he is a top 3 QB and I think it relays to the fact that top qbs prospects in this years draft up to this point are a bit of unknown and privy to speculation. Sorry I am from Cincy, and Pike hasn't done anything IMO other than be 6'6" to deserve a top rd pick, however that is my opinion and the opinion of the rest of the nation. I didn't mean to come off surely, just what I think in that he is basically another DA.
And I will take your comment about criticizing other people to heart as I dont want to come across as a .... I apologize to anyone that I may have offended. I realize after being called out how my message may be perceived. I did not intend to come off as a know it all. Def Dont want to sound like Mark Schlereth.
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Ok you got me on the woe is me attitude as I dont have a lot of optimism to add to thw current regime. Pike is being touted as a top 3 qb prospect meaning he wont be there in the 3rd, thats not my assessment, that the national medias. I was just saying that I doubt he'll be available in the 3rd. Based on hi splay tonight, he has done nothign to convince me that he is a top 3 QB and I think it relays to the fact that top qbs prospects in this years draft up to this point are a bit of unknown and privy to speculation. Sorry I am from Cincy, and Pike hasn't done anything IMO other than be 6'6" to deserve a top rd pick, however that is my opion and the opinion of the rest of the nation. I didn't mean to come off surely, just what I think in that he is basically another DA.
So, I guess that is your opinion and the opinion of the rest of the nation beside me and the national media touting him as a top 3 QB
I guess the posters that want him in the 3rd round might have a good draft since you and the rest of the nation know he isnt a top 3 QB. I didnt have him as a top 3 QB, I have him as someone I hopes fall to the Browns in the mid rounds and I wouldnt be disappointed if the Browns drafted him. He shows alot more touch to be DA. To me anyways.
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Fair enough, we disagree. I have watched Pike since last year and I am unconvinced he has what it takes to produce at the next level.
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Fair enough, we disagree. I have watched Pike since last year and I am unconvinced he has what it takes to produce at the next level.
Cool. I'll keep watching to form more of an opinion for myself. I made sure to watch because of what most have been saying about him the past 1.5 seasons.
So far, I feel in time he could be decent with a team built around him. I dont think he can carry a team at the next level.
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I'm not a big Selvie fan. In the 2nd or 3rd I'd take him.
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Tony Pike has a cast on his throwing hand and he's going to be out a significant about of time the coach said.
oops my bad, left wrist non throwing hand
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Dang it. Pike got hurt tonight. Davis4MVP, if you were watching him the past 2 years why didnt you tell me he played QB last year in a hard cast on his non throwing hand. He also didnt throw too bad tonight with a soft cast. The dude got toughness. If your making an arguement for or against Pike I dont see how you not mention doing what he has been doing in a cast. Thats the first QB Ive seen play QB with a hard cast on his non throwing hand! Maybe the injury could make him slide to a team that can let him sit right away if its even that seriouse. Im not sure if the team will look for a new starter at QB or if they are satisfied with what they got next season. I know a new QB is coming from somewhere next season. maybe not a starter but they will have a new one. Considering I dont like whats going to be in the FA market at QB, Id assume draft one. Again, not sure at this point if the new regime will go into next season wanting a new guy to start right away or have a guy sit until hes ready and start the season with what they got.
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Dang it. Pike got hurt tonight. Davis4MVP, if you were watching him the past 2 years why didnt you tell me he played QB last year in a hard cast on his non throwing hand.
Correct he played with hard cast last year. I just didnt see it last yr or this yr thus far. Granted I Am a self proclaimed QB hater. I just dont see all the hype surrounding any QB this yr. Just My Opinion. Don't take it to the bank.
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Pike looks very fragile.. He would get killed in the NFL.. I wouldn't dare touch this guy if I were a GM.
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That's definitely my main concern. He needs to bulk up.
But people said the same thing about Tom Brady.
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That's definitely my main concern. He needs to bulk up.
But people said the same thing about Tom Brady.
25 scouts at this game. This guy could fall in the draft because of his injury and I think the Browns should take a look at him if he falls.
Besides the haircut, goat mouth, and being 6'6 and didnt see the DA comparisons. DA is more athletic but Pike had way more touch. Gruden knows a thing or two about QBs and he had good things about this kid. Playing in a hard cast says something about this guys toughness.
As for the weight thing, hes still young enough to add some weight to that 6'6 frame. 25 scouts at the game and I doubt they were all there to see Selvie who also impressed me. As for nothing earth shattering, cmon now. Cincy was accounting for Selvie for every play. Like when teams use to do that to Will Smith at OSU. Cincy should have started dropping him back more like OSU would do with Will Smith.
As for GMs not touching this kid, there will be a few that make a living at this that will focus later in the draft on him. I never said he could come in at the begginning of the 2010 season and lead the Browns to the playoffs.
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It wasn't me who said GM's shouldn't touch him. 
I don't know who to compare Pike to. I see some Flacco and Brady in him to be honest. I would love the Flacco comparison, but he doesn't have the arm and is more accurate. I think he is a lot like Brady, but I have a tough time comparing him to such a great QB.
And there's no doubt that Pike was the scouts' main focus. I like him in the late 1st, early 2nd if he gains weight. And as I said in the other thread, Nate Allen is probably being watched more than Selvie.
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Then why did you disagree with my mock of drafting him the 2nd round? 
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And as I said in the other thread, Nate Allen is probably being watched more than Selvie.
I went back and looked at some prospects and did see Nate Allen up there. Also a CB from USF was ranked right up there with Allen. How do so many schools get all these NFL players? You also have Central Florida (Anthony Henry) to go along with Florida, Mimai, and FSU.
Im thinking Selvie will go higher than Nate Allen and the CB but I guess it depends on which scouts were there and why.
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Never say never... Duke Robinson dropped to the 5th last year.
Rolando McClain of Alabama is a stud ILB. Much better than Spikes IMO.
Wow ! Got to be a first : I agree with ya on on Spikes ! He has been nicked up this season , has not been impact player folks had been expecting ..
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Because of how high it was in the 2nd. To be honest, I've been messed up lately and finding faults in everything. But like I said, I'm not a big fan of Selvie in a 3-4. But at this point, I'm not willing to rule him out.
A couple of tweeners I do really like are Jerry Hughes of TCU, and Brandon Graham of Michigan.
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Wow ! Got to be a first : I agree with ya on on Spikes ! He has been nicked up this season , has not been impact player folks had been expecting ..
Thats why I am always harping that these kids should leave when their stock is high. Like Laurinaitis, Maualuga, Bradford, and Leinhart just some off the top of my head in the recent past. All those players fell because their senior season wasn't what many thought it was going to be and gave scouts more time to find faults in them.
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Pike looks very fragile.. He would get killed in the NFL.. I wouldn't dare touch this guy if I were a GM.
Would you say the same thing about Bradford?
Were you saying the same thing about Adrian Peterson?
If memory serves me correctly, you were an AD pimp, but I could be incorrect.
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Round3a DeMardo Murray, RB, Oklahoma (wanted RT, but none I love there)
Round3b Tony Pike, QB, Cincy (going off others opinions that he should be higher as I haven't seen much of him)
Dream on with either being available there.
look at the first post...the rules were established to use one of those websites and make your picks based on who would be available.
both those players were deemed 3rd rounders by that website.....
just following the rules here whether or not they will be there.....way, way too early to determine.
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Ive heard that if its a worse care scenerio Pike might not be able to play again so it possible to never know what round or how good he could be.
A shifting metal plate on his forearm covering 8 screws could take him out of football for good if there is too much tissue damage from the metal plate shifting.
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Were you saying the same thing about Adrian Peterson?
If memory serves me correctly, you were an AD pimp, but I could be incorrect.
Bradford looks okay to me... But for some reason.. Pike just looks very very fraile..
And yes.. I pimped Adrian Peterson.. We all knew of his injury history, and at the time had just gotten over Lee Suggs.. lol.. I wanted him.. but knowing the Browns luck.. he would have took a direction for the worse and gotten injured.. glad we got Joe Thomas though.. No more left tackle worries for years!!
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Any QB in the Browns offense could be fragile. I cant remember one year they went thru the whole season with one QB.
Im not sure how bad having 6 screws and a plate in your non throwing arm effects someone. Ability wise, he is fun to watch and I wouldnt be disappointed if the Browns drafted him if he got the thumbs up from doctors.
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We all knew of his injury history, and at the time had just gotten over Lee Suggs..
Oh man I LOVED Lee Suggs. I thought he was the real deal...Still upsetting the way it ended.
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He will probably get up there with Dorsett... probably won't beat him.. but will get close..
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i wasn't as impressed with pike as i was thinking i'd be... I'm not real big on college QBs who are so dependent on timing instead of decision-making. In the NFL, receivers get bumped when they're not playing the 2008 browns, and picking a receiver and trying to hit that timing throw every time like he seemed to Thursday (I only watched the 1st half) isn't going to cut it.
However, Selvie was still the monster I expected him to be. I have NEVER, EVER seen a college defensive end make SO MANY PLAYS on the OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD (the left when he lined up right, right when he lined up left.) This guy is a monster. Terrific player. If he's there when we pick #35 or whatever it ends up being, they should be doing backflips and swan-lake ballet leaps up to the podium to turn in that pick.
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i wasn't as impressed with pike as i was thinking i'd be... I'm not real big on college QBs who are so dependent on timing instead of decision-making. In the NFL,
Did you see the play where he avoided the sack by Selvie and threw the dart to the sidelines? That was all decision making. But until we know more about the steel plate in his arm, he might not be available anyways. USF has a good defense, shut down Cincys running game, and has at least 3 senior prospects that are top 5 senior prospects at their position- Selvie OLB/DE; Allen Safety, and their CB.
Concidering they have 2 senior DBs that are pro prospects in the upcoming draft, Pike looked pretty good.
If you dont like college QBs who have to rely on timing, how do you feel about the NFL QBs that rely on timing? Thats one of Quinns problems, he has no timing at all with his targets. He waits until they are open until putting the ball were its supposed to be when they make their brakes. I think he would have learned his timing if given more playing time.
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Bradford looks okay to me... But for some reason.. Pike just looks very very fraile..
So if Bradford looks OK to you, would you draft him to the Browns? He was considered the top QB between him and Stafford and came back to get 2 shoulder injuries. He might fall farther down the draft than Leinart for staying in school.
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I haven't seen a whole lot of Bradford.. but he seems like what we already have here in Cleveland with Brady Quinn.
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