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Honestelly Deep, that is the BEST mock I have ever seen for the Browns!

I see I'm not the only one who knows Tebows future position.

I'd rather see Tebow catch some passes at the combine and draft him as a TE if we're going to go that route.

But Tebow will go by the 3rd round.

And Micah Johnson won't be there in the 5th, either.

I actually think he'll play QB, but he'll suck there.

Top: I think there's a very good chance he'll be there then. He's a lot like Jasper Brinkley who was a 5th rounder.

EDIT: And yeah, Tebow will be gone long before then. I was just poking some fun.

I have a draft philosophy question.

Let's say for discussion that there is no Qb felt to be worthy of a top 2 pick.

If that is the case we will either draft Suh (DT) or Berry (S).

Now comes the 2nd round and both Dwyer (RB) and Sapp (Olb) are still available. We have these 2 players rated almost exactly the same. So do you:

A - Draft offense because we drafted defense in the 1st round with the goal being to improve both the offense and the defense.

or

B - Draft defense and try to make one side of the ball substantially better.



Just curious what everyone's draft philosophy would be and why.

So many more questions would have to be answered...what other prospects at the same position are we targeting, how have those positions shaken out on the board just far, etc., etc.

if 2 players are graded equally, then I would use the tiebreaker as the position of greater need. in this particular example, i would select OLB over RB.

however, if I used positions of need in my rating system (which some teams do), then I would take the better player, which would be the RB in this case (in other words, if they are only rated equally because one plays a position of need, then I would take my chances with the player whose actual play is rated higher)

other things to consider:

1. the draft itself - if a draft is deep in RB but not in OLB or vice versa
2. injury or character concerns could be used as a tiebreaker
3. you could always call the team below you to see if they want to trade up a slot....if you deem them equals, never a bad thing to get an extra pick out of getting one of them.

I see no problem with drafting Tebow after the 3rd round. The 4th through 7th rounds are usually a crapshoot anyway so why not take a flyer on him? With that said I doubt he makes it there.

I feel the need to pimp some guys from Pittso here goes. I haven't checked any mock draft web sites so I don't know where these 2 guys are projected but I'd love to have them on our team.
First is Greg Romeus. He's a red shirt junior and plays defensive end in the 4-3. He's 6'6 270 so I think he has enough size to play 3-4 OLB. Don't know if he will come out though, but if he does I'd love to snatch him up. Has 7 sacks to lead the team that leads the nation in sacks. He's very athletic, saw him make a sick int against syracuse last weekend.

The other is Dorin Dickerson a senior. He's been a journey man. Originally a linebacker, they made him a wr and then he found a home at tight end. Don't know why some scouting sights have him at FB, confuses the hell out of me. Runs a 4.67 40 (think that's fast for a tight end). Has solid hands, only seen 1 drop this year. Is a threat in the vertical passing game. Has 39 grabs this year for 450 yards and 10 TDs. Another very athletic dude I'd love to draft. Don't know where he's projected as all the sights have him as a fullback so they really are never drafted high.

Let's take a look at need, well there is a lot, but I have to imagine some will be addressed through FA

QB.. FA
RB .. we need one
RT/RG.. we need both of them. 1 FA, 1 draft, I can't imagine starting 2 rookies.
WR... we need a legitimate 2 or 1.
TE.. a major need. This can't be overlooked.

DL I am ok with out line. We could use a pass rusher.
S.. we need one.
LB.. always need

Funny that he also agrees with me.

Now comes the 2nd round and both Dwyer (RB) and Sapp (Olb) are still available. We have these 2 players rated almost exactly the same. So do you:

A - Draft offense because we drafted defense in the 1st round with the goal being to improve both the offense and the defense.

B - Draft defense and try to make one side of the ball substantially better.




Just to answer your question..it is interesting..Sapp will not last till round two but it is a possibility..for me being a defensive type mind I'd go for the backer first..however I would have to ask is Dwyer a better RB than Sapp a OLB?
Which one makes their unit better?
Which position is deeper in this draft?
Is there another back I have on my board?
Right now yes..so I'd tend to go for the backer first..


Oh and can we stop with the Tim Elbow talk???
That player is a not a fit anywhere for the Browns

We'll be in the spotlight for our last 3 games. Starting this week in prime time against ND, then the 2 games to decide the big east against WV and Cincy.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33845232/ns/sports-nfl/

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By Dan Pompei
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updated 10:58 p.m. ET, Tues., Nov . 10, 2009


Dan Pompei
If Tim Tebow becomes to the NFL what Tim Tebow was to college football, move over Peyton Manning.

But there aren’t many NFL front office men who believe Tebow can become an elite NFL passer. There are some who absolutely love the Florida quarterback as a football player. And it’s not out of the question that he can be a first-round pick because all it takes is one team to rate him as one.

But the consensus on Tebow — based on conversations with numerous talent evaluators — is that selecting him high will be a risky move. In fact, Tebow is not considered among the top three quarterbacks in the 2010 draft at this point even though most probably consider him the best college quarterback.
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The top-rated quarterback prospects are Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford (assuming he checks out medically) and Washington’s Jake Locker and Florida State’s Christian Ponder (assuming the juniors come out early). Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen and Texas’ Colt McCoy probably would be in the second tier.

Tebow, though, is the most fascinating. One AFC general manager suggests he would be more comfortable drafting him as an H-back. An NFC college scouting director said Tebow would make a great fullback.


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But Tebow isn’t going to play anything but quarterback. Why isn’t he considered an ideal quarterback?

Because he mostly is a runner at Florida who works almost exclusively out of the shotgun. “He makes more plays with his feet than his arm,” the GM said. “And he has such a low carriage of the ball in the pocket that he has a long release. He is not a prototype quarterback.”

Whoever drafts Tebow will need to have a special offense in place to take advantage of what he does best. He isn’t going to fit in a West Coast offense.

“If you get him you are going to design your offense to suit him,” said an AFC personnel director. “Whoever gets him, you’re going to see a lot of play action, probably a lot of quarterback runs, some Wildcat-type stuff. You probably won’t see a lot of downfield stuff initially.”

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* Pompei: It's Tim's time, but is he ready?
* Evan Silva's first-round mock draft

Tebow won’t be able to make a living as a runner in the NFL. No quarterback can because the defenders are so much bigger, faster and stronger than they are in college. Eventually, it catches up to quarterbacks who can’t pass.

It also doesn’t help Tebow that he’s a lefty. Many offensive coordinators can’t warm up to left-handed quarterbacks because their offenses are set up for righties.

The team that drafts Tebow also will need a quarterback guru in place who believes he can work with Tebow’s mechanics and refine his passes. “If you think you can work with his throwing motion, you’re going to love everything else — scrambling ability, leadership, work ethic, size, strength, running ability,” the AFC personnel director said.

Tebow has some advantages over every other draft prospect. “He may not be the best quarterback, but he may be the best football player in the country, and the best competitor,” the GM said.

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Pompei: Tim’s a physical freak,
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Evan Silva’s 1st-round mock draft
Slideshow: Juniors who may enter the draft
At 6-foot-3, 240 pounds, Tebow has the stature to play linebacker. The NFC scouting director said Tebow is as strong as a linebacker, and he can shake off hits.

Tebow does not fit into any mold for a quarterback. Is he like Vince Young? Michael Robinson? Michael Vick? Not really.

“The guys who end up being good players in the NFL are the guys who are physical freaks,” the AFC personnel director said. “He’s a physical freak. And I think Tebow is going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.”

Interesting on Tebow.. also interesting that Ponder ranks ahead of Clausen and McCoy...

Know what I took out of that? If only he could throw or read a defense.

You honestly believe Tebow is God don't you?

Eric Decker = Anquan Boldin with better leaping ablity.

that's a bit of hyperbole, but that's what he seems to be.

What about his chronic ankle issues? That scares me.

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Florida State’s Christian Ponder (assuming the juniors come out early).

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Somebody is really, really smoking someting out of the neighbors back yard.

Ponder says he's coming back, but seriously, I've seen this guy play a few times, I like Flordia St. and watch them every chance I get, This guy needs some serious work to even be a average College QB.

It's the old Media time to pick a guy any guy and make him a first round pick. Media talks players into & out of the first round every year, maybe Ponder is thier guy this year.

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Ankles are pretty important to a WR.

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Ankles are pretty important to just about everybody

“If you think you can work with his throwing motion, you’re going to love everything else — scrambling ability, leadership, work ethic, size, strength, running ability,” the AFC personnel director said.


I don't see much in him that makes me think he's going to be this super QB..good college QB but NFL QB?
No..

I'm still laughing at that quote. If you can just improve his throwing ability... Like that's some small thing. If only I had arm strength, accuracy, speed, or any athleticism, then I could be a good QB.

Well I like Tebow and think he will make it in the NFL ( as a QB ) ..

However , my favorite is Mattell out of Arkansas ( not draft eligible ) ...

It's Mallett and he is draft eligible. But he isn't ready. He has a rocket arm, great size, etc. But he has terrible accuracy and is only completing like 50% of his passes in a high completion system.

I seem to recall that most QB's who come in the league with throwing motion problems never really make it..

How is he eligible ??? And I look for him stay in School .

He's a So. Redshirt.

Ok ! .. Forgot about the Michigan thing ..

Decker's out for the rest of the year with an ankle injury...may need to go back and get some game tape.

He's a good receiver, but I feel we already have him in Robiske...

true...Robiske, DA, Deboll, other?

Not sure which one it is...