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i agree, rogers has a few years left, and anything but a 1st round pick and other picks/players means no deal for me, he's too valuable. and he has tons of time left. if healthy he can play a lot longer, remember ted washington played really solid NT up until we got him, and he was what, 38 at that time? rogers could easily give us 5 more years and hopefully in that amount of time we've assembled ourselves into a contender, would be nice to have that kind of a force in the middle. those types dont come around too often.
i have no idea what quinn's value is right now, but i am pretty certain it's not the 1st round pick that we traded for him. after what we have seen through the first 3 games..
like i said, i don't think we have seen the last of him this season, but the guy has to show us something, he hasn't even shown he can be a reliable backup.
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I don't think we will trade Quinn yet. Why? Because I don't believe Mangini is sold on Anderson.
How could he be sold on Anderson? The only thing he's shown is that he's better than Quinn at this time.. The question is, is he good enough to win on a consistent basis on a decent team...
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could the old saying "if you have two quarterbacks, you really have none" be any more true with the browns?
i think you gotta dump one guy in the offseason. and try to bring on a veteran, i think this team could really use a guy who can make the throws, and lead the team down the field. someone who has experience.
if you think about it, brady never really had that guy. it was also DA, or charlie frye, or ken dorsey.
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"Any trade conversation for Rogers would begin with: "So in addition to your 1st round pick next year ."
Thats some real interest we would be making on that deal I think. What did we give.. a 2nd and Bodden ?
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"Any trade conversation for Rogers would begin with: "So in addition to your 1st round pick next year ."
Thats some real interest we would be making on that deal I think. What did we give.. a 2nd and Bodden ?
Better yet, it was a 3rd and Bodden.
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How could he be sold on Anderson? The only thing he's shown is that he's better than Quinn at this time.. The question is, is he good enough to win on a consistent basis on a decent team...
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Brady Quinn - I'd like to get a 3rd and 6th for him. - I don't think anybody gives up a second rounder for him.
So just saying....
You'd rather have Robiskie, Massaquoi or Veikune than Quinn.
A second round pick is not some kind of magical bean. Those second rounders turn into the Dennis Northcutts of the world too ya know!
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So do 1st rounders.
All I can say is this: The Patriots, one of, if not the, most successful team of the last decade, value 2nd rounders more than any other pick. That's why they had four of them this past draft.
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It's kind of obvious why a 2nd rounder is so valuable. You can still get good talent but for a helluva lot cheaper.
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The 49ers seem like the most logical trade partner for Quinn in my opinion. Although I'd rather trade DA and see what Quinn can do with the remaining games this season.
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A second round pick is not some kind of magical bean. Those second rounders turn into the Dennis Northcutts of the world too ya know!
It all depends on who's picking those players..if it's Belicheck or Parcells, there is a 95% chance those picks are going to be productive..
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Precisely. It's the same reason a top 5 pick has become less valuable.
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The 49ers seem like the most logical trade partner for Quinn in my opinion. Although I'd rather trade DA and see what Quinn can do with the remaining games this season.
That is not bad logic, as Quinn has no value now, DA might have some, and Quinn could bring more in the off season.
Trading Quinn now is not a good idea in the case of Anderson going down (or getting even worse), unless you believe Ratliff--as Mangini might--is your actual backup.
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I know that my former boss wants the '9ers to trade a 2nd for Quinn.
So do I. 
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would be a stellar trade for us. considering shaun hill is doing for them what people hoped quinn would do for us, i see no chance of that by the deadline.
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I know that my former boss wants the '9ers to trade a 2nd for Quinn.
Question ...not to be a smart guy, but why would a team that is fighting for a playoff spot trade for a QB and create a QB controversy in the middle of the year? Even if they were to trade for him, would he really be able to help this year?
On the flip side, if there is a crappy team out there that is looking for a QB, I could see a trade going in that direction because they don't really care about team chemistry at this point (thinking Tennessee, Buffalo, Oakland, Rams, and maybe Carolina)
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Trading Quinn now is not a good idea in the case of Anderson going down (or getting even worse), unless you believe Ratliff--as Mangini might--is your actual backup.
Right because if Anderson went down, then we'd suck and not score any points.... hey, wait a minute.... 
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Hearing the BQ media "line" as being next, but don't listen to them much. However, you don't beat many people on the bench either. Players and more picks. Anybody got a decent tackle surplus? Saw Seau came back again like Brett "The Phoenix" Favre. Can't see this move until later after deadline or season. May need him if we have injuries or more 2 for the day outings out of DA. j/c
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Isn't it funny how in 2007 we had one of the best QB situations in the NFL and a team that had alot of talent! Many people on this site said these very same things but what has happened to that talent? I'll tell ya what has happened to that talent. First of all we were not as good as many thought. Secondly alot of that talent has been considered a cancer on the team ( news break to everyone) any talent a football team has be it high school , college, or Pro has guys that are speicial and can be concieved as a cancer. It is the same in everyday life the people with true talent are aware of it and full of themselves. So we have a team that went 10-6 and the new management wants rid the team of the talent (cancer) but please understand in the end we need talent (cancer) to win. Untill we understand that the sport has changed ( believe me I'm 51 and still think a boot in the behind will work) others will reap the benifit of our letting talent go else where. We contiuously rebuild every 3 years or less and believe me when I say the wrecking ball will fall again before we reach the main structure! 
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http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/con...erest_in_b.htmlDolphins showing interest in Browns’ Cribbs By Carlos "Big C" Holmes | Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 09:34 PM Miami’s “wildcat” formation might be about to get a little bit wilder. According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Dolphins are showing interest in trading for Cleveland Browns receiver/kick returner Joshua Cribbs. The NFL trade deadline is Oct. 20 and Cribbs’ representatives have been seeking a new deal for their client since the offseason. I’m told that negotiations on a new contract for Cribbs are at a stalemate and not to rule out a trade. It was not made clear whether or not the Browns would entertain offers for Cribbs, so a call was placed to Browns headquarters but GM George Kokinis was unavailable for comment. Cribbs has three years remaining on a six-year, $6.7 million contract he signed in 2006, but is vastly undervalued with the current deal. The former Pro Bowler is scheduled to make $720,000 this season and $735,000, $750,000, $890,000 over the next three years. In my opinion, the Browns are getting Cribbs on the cheap when you compare those numbers to his performance. Cribbs brings a lot to the table, both on and off the field, and the Browns could do a lot worse with their money. With the trade deadline looming, it will be interesting to see if talks heat up. If not, this may give representatives for Cribbs leverage to demand a trade if the organization fails to negotiate. Can things get any worse in Cleveland?
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Yes, its true that talented guys can also be cancers (Braylon).... so can untalented guys (Shaun Smith). However, the teams that are able to utilize the talents of the so called "cancers" are teams that have solid locker room leadership. You can bring a Randy Moss into the fold when you have your people in the locker room.
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At first blush, any talk of trading Cribbs makes me think I'll be rooting for a different team the very next day...
All Cribbs has done is keep his nose clean, play hard, been an outstanding (or so it appears) teammate, been a local hero and made himself a legitmate threat to score anytime.
Now, with a moment to think about it, perhaps if there were some serious players and picks involved, it wouldn't be the worst thing.
I have no idea what I'd want in exchange for him, but I'm pretty sure that whatever it is, would be more than anyone wants to give up.
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I don't want this team to become like the Indians are to MLB....a farm team to the rest of the NFL..
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At first blush, any talk of trading Cribbs makes me think I'll be rooting for a different team the very next day...
All Cribbs has done is keep his nose clean, play hard, been an outstanding (or so it appears) teammate, been a local hero and made himself a legitmate threat to score anytime.
Now, with a moment to think about it, perhaps if there were some serious players and picks involved, it wouldn't be the worst thing.
I have no idea what I'd want in exchange for him, but I'm pretty sure that whatever it is, would be more than anyone wants to give up.
It'd take Ronnie Brown or a first rounder for me to think this is a fair trade.
And I'm with you thinking "I'd root for another team the next day" at first blush. I'd be downright pissed.
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I don't want this team to become like the Indians are to MLB....a farm team to the rest of the NFL..
I'm with you there?
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At first blush, any talk of trading Cribbs makes me think I'll be rooting for a different team the very next day...
All Cribbs has done is keep his nose clean, play hard, been an outstanding (or so it appears) teammate, been a local hero and made himself a legitmate threat to score anytime.
Now, with a moment to think about it, perhaps if there were some serious players and picks involved, it wouldn't be the worst thing.
I have no idea what I'd want in exchange for him, but I'm pretty sure that whatever it is, would be more than anyone wants to give up.
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It'd take Ronnie Brown or a first rounder for me to think this is a fair trade.
And I'm with you thinking "I'd root for another team the next day" at first blush. I'd be downright pissed.
I'm not sure that would be enough.. I'm not sure I'd take Ronnie Brown AND a 1st round pick....
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Well, unless there is a former Mangini-Jet on the Dolphins' roster, Cribbs is probably safe.  If the FO is stupid enough to trade Josh Cribbs away, then I would be sorely tempted to join the mob that would run Mangini-Kokinis out of town on a rail. At SOME point, you have to PAY to retain a difference-maker. Yeah, Cribbs isn't much of a WR. However, without his kick and punt returns, our offense would be even more pitiful than it already is. It's hard to see this as anything but a rumor. However, given Mangini's record so far, I have to say this makes me a little nervous. 
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Not that I know anyting for sure, but the high profile guys Mangini has traded have all been guys with baggage.. Winslow, Edwards.. Both guys that leave a bad taste in thier mouths.. Cribbs doesn't fit that mold, he's not a trouble maker, he's causing no headaches other than his desire to be paid better, (which I think most on here and I bet those in the front office, agrees he's worth more) so I am betting, make that praying that it's just a rumor  Something concocted by the media on a slow news day.
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I don't want this team to become like the Indians are to MLB....a farm team to the rest of the NFL..
Cribbs is exactly the type of player this team needs and Mangini claims he wants.
I don't care what we get in return ... a trade of Cribbs is going to test my fandom for this team.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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There are a lot of things that depend on how I feel on this. (Cribbs)
1) What is the compensation?
Obviously I won't be happy with a 3rd round pick for the best return man in the game. But if the compensation was a 1st then I'd take that into consideration when I think about my second question.
2) How long is the rebuilding process going to take?
If we are talking 3 years before we are competing for playoffs/Superbowl then you have to ask yourself, is Josh Cribbs going to be ths same in 3 years? Will the compensation of trading him benefit you more at that time than keeping Cribbs?
Switching sports, I was devestated when the Indians traded Bartolo. He was my favorite Indian. That trade ended up being a very good one. (even though siezmore is the only one left from that trade at this point in time.)
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Cribbs on the Browns team is like a first round pick.. the guy produces.. no other way to put it...
NO WAY you trade Cribbs UNLESS.. they give you some CRAZY offer.. like a first and second round pick... I'd take that for almost everyone on this team.. lol.. except Joe Thomas.. maybe even Shaun Rogers.. (might do it cuz he is getting older)..
But Cribbs is the pulse of this team.. He complements the team in a multitude of ways...
1) Keep him!
2) Pay him!
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If we trade Cribbs, I won't watch another game until "Mankok" is gone. 
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I pretty much feel the same way. He is, IMO, the best special teams guy in the league. And we do have him under contract for 3 more years, for very reasonable cash.
The issue is the new contract. They wanted a contract in line w someone who is a lot more than a return guy. We've seen him at WR, and it's not pretty. When we do get back to the talks I would not be surprised if there was some contention. I see us offering him top money for a returner, but he really hasn't shown to be more than that.
I do not want to see Cribbs play elsewhere, but there is compensation that would make me OK with it. It would be steep, but it's possible.
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I'm not sure that would be enough.. I'm not sure I'd take Ronnie Brown AND a 1st round pick....
Add Jake Long...and you might have to start thinking about it...But it still makes a tough decision...LOL 
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The only fair trade for Cribbs right now would be to get young probowl talent in return and then some. The Dolphins would have to give up the farm for him and I just can't see Parcells doing that for a special teams guy.
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The only fair trade for Cribbs right now would be to get young probowl talent in return and then some. The Dolphins would have to give up the farm for him and I just can't see Parcells doing that for a special teams guy.
Cribbs wouldn't be their special teams guy.. He would be an aresnal for their Wildcat offense... He would take whatever snaps Pat White was getting...
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I would want a First for sure though.. If no first is involved.. don't even call me...
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Cribbs wouldn't be their special teams guy.. He would be an aresnal for their Wildcat offense... He would take whatever snaps Pat White was getting...
Heheheee..U really believe all the Fins would do with Cribbs is use him a wildcat formation?
True he is a former QB but he is one of the best return men..one of the best.
Heck if I'm Genuis..Gini..I'd take a practice and if the kid can still QB a offense down the field.... I remember one of the Browns old coaches say Cribbs might be the best QB in the stable when we had Frye/DA/BQ/Cribbs their first season together..
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Any message that was sent by trading Braylon would be erased by tRading cribbs IMO.
Bear in mind we're only hearing that Miami is interested, not that the browns are shopping him.
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Any message that was sent by trading Braylon would be erased by tRading cribbs IMO.
I hadn't thought to put it that way, but yeah,, that makes sense..
and you are correct, we haven't heard if the Browns would be interested.. just the fins....
Like I said, I don't believe it.. but you just never know..
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