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Patriots re-sign Tully Banta-Cain
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 20, 2009 1:03 PM ET
Fear not, Patriots fans.

The roster only was without pass rusher extraordinaire Tully Banta-Cain for 20 hours. Less than a day after releasing the sometime starter in a surprise move, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports than Banta-Cain is back in the fold.

Contract terms are not yet available, and it's still unclear why the Patriots had to release Banta-Cain in the first place.

One irresponsibly speculative theory on my part is that they wanted to sign him to an extension, and couldn't re-work his previous deal because it was signed in February and one year must pass before adjusting a signed contract. (Someone will let me know if this theory is wrong, I'm sure.)

Banta-Cain's contract terms will eventually tell the story, but that's all inside football.

The bigger takeaway is that Banta-Cain will be headed to London this week with the rest of the Patriots. We'll have to wait until the trading deadline to see if he has any surprising new teammates coming with him.

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I thought there was potential for the pick from the Bucs to evolve into a 3rd or 4th rounder? Wasn't there some incentive based stipulation to that current 5th round pick? I could have sworn there was but may be wrong. I find it significant though because the Bucs are winless and truly awful this year so it would be a good selection if it could sneak into something more. Something to keep our eyes on?

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I love how there's all this swirl about the Browns potentially trading, but when you hear straight from the source, Mangini has essentially said "our phone lines are always open." I mean, isn't that the case with every team? We likely won't trade anyone, but if the right deal comes along, maybe we will.

And we're going to trade Thomas? C'mon. That article says Thomas's name has floated around, and then later, they bring up how Mangini said that Thomas and Jackson are the 2 guys they won't trade.

I think I could be a member of the media. How about this "The Browns could potentially trade Brady Quinn for Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne." See how easy that is? Let's see if it catches on like so much other crap the media has put out.

Its a rumor article at trade deadline, so you take it for what its worth. I'm kind of interested to see if anything develops with Shaun Rogers possibly going to the Jets. I did think it was interesting that Grossi says what it would take for the Jets 3rd round pick to turn into a 2nd:

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If Edwards finishes with 55 or more catches, the first choice improves to the second round.

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... which is considerably less than the 80-85 catches I had read about here as being the bogey.

An hour and 27 minutes,...C'MON 4 o'clock !!

from Pro Football Talk.com:

Jets looking for a defensive tackle

by Mike Florio
October 20, 2009 2:07 PM ET

With nose tackle Kris Jenkins out for the year, the Jets are working the phones on the final day of the trading deadline in search of a replacement, according to Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News.

The most obvious target is Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers. Given the curious pipeline that has developed between the team coached by former Jets coach Eric Mangini and the man who fired him, G.M. Mike Tannenbaum, it's not such a far-fetched idea.

Cimini also points out that Browns defensive lineman Corey Williams is available. But he's not particularly suited to take over the nose position in a 3-4 defense.

And that's the real problem the Jets face. Starting-caliber 3-4 nose tackles are hard to find. They are a rare breed -- strong, nimble, athletic, and very fat. Their job is to clog up the middle of the line, allowing the middle linebackers to target the ball carrier.

The Jets' best bet might be to scour the depth charts of teams that use a 4-3 front in search of a backup tackle who might be suited to making the shift to nose in the 3-4, as both Jenkins and Rogers when they arrived in New York and Cleveland, respectively, in 2008.

Regardless, it won't be easy to replace Jenkins, and if the Jets are going to do it via a trade they've now got less than two hours.

SOLD ! Take a first

Hang on,...here we go !

This thread makes me sick!

THOMAS, CRIBBS, ROGERS, QUINN to the Jets...

Go ahead and do it Mangini, then at least you can claim that you built a Super Bowl team... in New York ... after you were fired.

Relax.. were talking about getting 1st rounder for a 31 year player where we actually have a "little" depth. Not Cribbs or Thomas.

NOBODY would be relaxing if Mangini traded Rogers. They'd have to frisk for sniper rifles at the stadium this weekend.

This season is a wash, I'm not against trading Williams and Rogers if it will get us 3, 4 or 5 more draft picks.

Rogers is 31 years old, and Rubin has been playing very well. Williams really has not been the player we thought he would be when he arrived last season.

I don't think there is any chance in hell we trade Joe Thomas though, and hopefully we dont trade Cribbs either, that would be really, really bad for this entire team.

I'd trade Rogers for a 2nd, and 3rd rounder. I'd also trade Williams for a 3rd and 5th rounder if possible. The more picks we have, obviously the more chances we have at finding some studs for this team.

Trading Cribbs, Rogers, or Thomas = LUDICROUS

The only one I'd be open to is Rogers, and only if we're blown away by the offer. He's 31, and I'm afraid by the time we're competative again he will start to be on the decline. That being said, he's the only true run stuffer on this team and letting him go will only destroy what little stability the defense has this season.

I would trade anybody but Thomas or Mack for a first round pick.

Trade deadline is now over right?

Rotoworld.com is reporting Charlie Frye got traded to the New England Patriots for a 3rd round pick...

j/c

I sincerely doubt Rogers gets traded. But, if he was and we got a 1st out of it, I wouldn't be too horribly upset. The guy is a beast, but, like others have said, he's not exactly "young" anymore.

I'd hate to lose him, but to pick up, say, the Jets' 1st (which could be middle of the 1st round) plus our 1st (top 5 or 10), we could pick up some pretty damn good talent. Hell, throw in their 2nd too for kicks!

But, like I said, I doubt we do much of anything.

I personally think they should push back the trade deadline..

Why is it week 6 anyway?

It should be atleast week 8/9.. there would probably be more action..

agreed. further, with less and less time given before a regime is fired, no one really has the luxury of dumping players at any point in any season. even when the season is lost, the staff is trying to win every game to build momentum and ultimately, cover their asses.

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I'd hate to lose him, but to pick up, say, the Jets' 1st (which could be middle of the 1st round) plus our 1st (top 5 or 10), we could pick up some pretty damn good talent. Hell, throw in their 2nd too for kicks!

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2 firsts, a second, 2 thirds.. we could trade down for like.. 21 4th round picks...

It's very hard to accept the fact that it will take a miracle for us to win any meaningful games this year. We are doormats. We will and should be looked past when any real team with actual talent comes through our schedule.

It's a hard, cold fact. We are in the beginning phase of a particularly painful rebuilding process and, as teams in such a state often are, we absolutely suck. It is essential that we assess EVERY player we have and try to determine both his current value as it relates to contending and his future value when the team is expected to contend. Of course, contract status and chemistry also weigh in the decision. Whether or not the player is happy here should not be a determining factor, BTW. You don't get to choose the team you want. The team chooses you.

Anyway, if you look at Rogers. The guy is a monster. He makes the defensive line. He is a franchise player - 6 years ago. I love the guy and if we were close to being a real live NFL team, I'd mow the guy's lawn, give him my wife and clean his house to keep him here. But we are not close. We are clearly devoid of talent here. We have KILLED ourselves by drafting poorly. That simply has to be addressed and it can only happen with draft picks and youth. How do you get those things? You get them by trading away your developed, aged players who can still play at a high level but are on the downside. Simply put, you trade Rogers.

I hate this as much as the rest of you. I can't stand to even see Edwards in a Jets uniform, and he was a punk! But it's just another painful reminder of the fact that other cities get to have a meaningful season where their teams get to play competitive games with real hope of post season football and we have yet another team that would be lucky to play themselves into a BCS berth.

It's not fair. And we're ALL sick of it. People start saying that we as fans are not the great fans we get credit for but I defy any fan of any team to live through the constant embarrassment that is our Browns and be a great fan. I think, underneath it all, we remain a great fanbase who needs to vent every Monday through Thursday giving the illusion that we suck as fans. But for the most part, all the venting gives way to optimism and thus makes the joke of a game to be played on Sunday hurt all the more.

But as far as trading beloved impact players? Unfortunately, it's a big part of the process that we are in the begining of. We are in the painful process of having to take the medicine now. What makes it worse is that the majority of unknowledgeable football fans, often those of our "rivals" who happen to have been humiliating us continuously for the last 250 years, will look at us and laugh for making such a "stupid" trade. Well it's not stupid. It's neccessary and smart.

Like it or not, we need impactful drafts more than we need a stud, 31 year old smackdown NT. We need young project WRs more than we need a developed star WR with contract coming up. We are going to look at the roster and struggle to find a playmaker for a while. It's just the way it is right now.

The one caveat to our situation is that if this year's draft is any indication, we may have some issues. By nearly any measure, rounds 2-6 of this years draft is not good. We don't have a player from those rounds that is currently excelling (with the possible exception of MoMass who wouldn't be on a real team).

We could have 20 picks in next year's draft but if we can't pick, it won't matter.

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The facot of the matter is this....

Mangini should have ATLEAST 6 years on this team REGARDLESS of records before any type of judgment or threat of an axe can come.

I never thought I would say that, but all this turn over every 4 years is the primary reason we struggle

New coach comes in, gets rid of all the decent talent we have, to rebuild, and be fired before he is finished.

Believe it or not, looking back, Romeo should have gotten two more seasons after that extension....fact is:

1. Winslow would still be here, the guy loved RAC
2. Edwards would probably be playing better and still here.
3. No way Savage goes into the season with St.Claire at RT
4. Continuity
5. Schafer still here at RT

No way our offense is struggling right now with Winslow and Edwards still here and help From Schafer....I believe Trading Winslow hurt Quinn badly...Winslow was Quinn's go to guy....Winslow was the cog in the wheel that made this Browns offense move

Trading Winslow was the equivalent of getting rid of Ozzie Newsome

As for Winslow knees? The guy still has atleast 4 good years left in those knees, maybe 5 depending.......and we traded probably the 2nd best TE in the league...

All im saying is...Mangini needs 6 years to bring in 43 new players to this team that can play via the draft and FA....you can't fix this roster in 3 or even 4 years...6 is actually pushing it, more like 7 or 8

Lerner needs to just stick by Mangini for atleast 6-7 years and ride it out...and NOT cave into the fans, and this team will have a real legitimate shot of becoming much better, but we need to keep the same:

Staff
Coaching
players
system

here for atleast 6 or 7 years while continually adding to the system and building on the years...that is the only way this team will ever get anywhere...4 years is just not enough for the Browns, the Browns are a special case...all the other team that have been turned around quick did not need at least 43-45 new players on the roster, we do...

myself included I am just going to pipe down and hope Lerner sticks with Mangini for atleast 6 years

I agree, Knight. About continuity and about giving it to Mangini.

I disagree with all that other stuff. Winslow had to be traded. To say that Edwards would have played better is pure conjecture. And to say that Winslow is the equivalent of one of the greatest players ever to play here is sacreledge at best.

But yeah, we need continuity and discipline. Lack of discipline is why RAC is sitting on the couch wearing a kitty cat sweater and eating wings.

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Trading Winslow was the equivalent of getting rid of Ozzie Newsome

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I would venture to say IF Cribbs was a full-time RB, he would be BETTER than Adrian Peterson

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Really?? If Cribbs is better than AP and Winslow is equal to Ozzie why were we such a crappy team last season. We had some of the best talent ever on our team


I can't believe you type some of this crap

So let me get this right, you basically want the browns to give up, fold thier tents and go home.... do I have this correct.

Ya know, it could be that Mangini doesn't see it your way. It could be he knows things that you don't. It could be he thinks that they can get competitive next season.. and if that's the case, getting rid of Rogers is a sure way of putting a huge hole in the team..

As for KW.. Please.. Comparing him to Ozzie to KW2 is insane..

The analogy is good, but I hope it doesn't take seven years to get to the Super Bowl, if that's what we call soon.

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....but we still could have used him as a split end and as a pass catching TE on passing downs, and pulled him on running downs, or even used him as a split end....

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I can agree with alot of what you posted but, for the money Winslow was demanding you need to be a everydown player. Not just passing downs. Done forget he is now I believe the highest paid tight end in the game.
Plus I don't like the idea a using him on just passing downs. your telegraphing your probable play calling.