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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/analysis_with_nfl_trade_deadli.html With NFL trade deadline approaching, are Cleveland Browns dangling Brady Quinn? An analysis
By Mary Kay Cabot
With the NFL trading deadline a week away, is it possible that Brady Quinn's final start for the Cleveland Browns was a struggling half of work in a lopsided loss to Baltimore last month?BEREA, Ohio -- Could Brady Quinn be the next first-round pick to go?
With the trading deadline looming Oct. 20, it wouldn't be surprising if Quinn went the way of Braylon Edwards and was dealt to another team.
Browns coach Eric Mangini made it clear Monday that he's sticking with Derek Anderson despite a 2-of-17 performance for 23 yards, one interception and a 15.1 rating against Buffalo. "D.A. will continue to start," said Mangini, in no uncertain terms.
That means Quinn is stuck on the bench, where he's watching $11 million slip away. This year was the last chance for Quinn to hit the escalators in his contract that would've earned him an additional $11 million -- on top of the $9.2 million over five years in his base contract. The only stipulation was that he had to take 70 percent of the snaps -- which is highly unlikely unless Anderson gets hurt.
Quinn would've needed to start about 11 games this season to hit the 70 percent. He's played in only 21/2 games with little chance of getting on the field anytime soon.
Tracy Boulian/The Plain DealerThere is seldom much activity in the trade market during an NFL season, so Brady Quinn could well remain as a backup for Derek Anderson for the rest of the season.Quinn's agent, Tom Condon, could not be reached for comment, but Quinn and his camp would most likely welcome a trade and a chance for Quinn to start. Condon just watched his other high-profile Brown -- Edwards -- get dealt to the New York Jets, where he gets a fresh start, a 3-1 team before last night's game against the Dolphins and maybe even a new contract.
Quinn, on the other hand, can't get on the field in place of a quarterback who now has one touchdown pass, five interceptions and a league-worst 39.0 rating. Quinn, who started against some of the best teams and defenses in the NFL -- the 5-0 Vikings, 5-0 Broncos and 3-2 Ravens -- has better numbers than Anderson with one touchdown, three interceptions, a 60.8 completion percentage to Anderson's 46.4, and a 62.9 rating.
But Anderson's ability to convert more third downs, move the chains and stretch the field has earned him the job -- for now. Even linebacker D'Qwell Jackson credited Anderson Monday with energizing the Browns' defense.
"D.A. brought that spark," said Jackson. "He can make every throw on that field. It's good knowing as a defensive player if you get your offense more than enough opportunities, they'll move the ball and create points."
The Browns have no real incentive for trading Quinn now -- unless someone makes an offer they can't refuse. But there's probably not much of a market for a quarterback who's 1-5 and was benched this season. If he does get back on the field and has a better showing, his market value would increase.
Besides, he's not out misbehaving in nightclubs after dark, complaining about being benched or otherwise presenting a distraction. He's only making $1.72 million this season, not outlandish for a good backup. There are a few teams that could use quarterbacks, but they're in such disarray that it's not on the front burner right now.
Washington and Carolina have quarterback issues, but also coaches on the hot seat. JaMarcus Russell is struggling in Oakland, but the Raiders are unlikely to come after Quinn.
But everyone knows the Browns would be willing to at least listen to offers, because they took calls on Quinn in the off-season -- and have already dealt first-rounders Kellen Winslow and Edwards.
Mangini has said on numerous occasions that he'd do anything to improve the team. So Quinn isn't untouchable, even though former Browns General Manager Phil Savage surrendered a first-round pick in 2008 to trade up with Dallas to get him.
Quinn's contract also makes him tradeable. If he doesn't hit the 70 percent this season, he's due to make $2.08 million next year with a $700,000 bonus. The year after, he's a free agent.
Truth is, no one really knows what Quinn can do on this level. Several league sources have said they're still convinced he has what it takes to be a successful NFL quarterback -- in the right situation. And Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis would give any team a glowing scouting report.
Perhaps the Browns haven't given up on him entirely yet and are trying to preserve his psyche for the future. With a rebuilding line and mostly youngsters at receiver, maybe they figured they'd get him out of a hopeless situation before his confidence was shattered -- or even his bones.
After sitting for most of his first two seasons and now being benched for third, Quinn would undoubtedly love to go somewhere to play -- even though it's been his lifelong dream to play for the Browns. If Anderson wasn't starting, he might've asked the Browns to look around before the deadline.
If the Browns do trade Quinn, they'd have former Jet Brett Ratliff as their backup -- a Mangini favorite. The way it looks right now, the perfect suitor doesn't seem to be out there. But all that could change in a week.
BTW - Anyone ever stick a mike in Joe Thomas's face and ask him why is it that every opposing team runs all over the browns defense like they stole something from someone?
No they don't - and he doesn't get involved in the defense via the media either DQ. Hint hint..
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Shep ..there is a lot of talk and some rumors starting up..
I think it's bogus..but one can never tell and with Edwards/Quinn having the same agent..don't be shocked if Condon tries to force something..Quinn is losing money by not being on the field..
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I know....I was OMGing because I can't believe that it may come to fruition.
Anderson sucks as a starter so we will be back to square one with a new QB next year......and the 5 year plan commences anew.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Take solace in the fact that neither is probably the guy anyway.
I will say this, though. If Mangini and Co. had just one little inkling that Quinn could be a good NFL starting QB for the next 10 years, no talks at all would even be taking place.
There are strong opinions on Quinn that he just doesn't have it. They could all be wrong, but they exist nonetheless.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I realize the opinions are out there, and not just from minions.
However, that is not fully known based on a lack of support personnel around him......and I'll go ahead and say it....just like we will never know what Tim Couch had. Neither has had a fair shake.....
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I think this is one of those situations where you just have to trust the decision makers ... the guys that see these guys everyday.
Not saying those guys can't be wrong ... we scratch our heads often wondering why this guy isn't playing or whatnot ... but at the end of the day, I would say they are probably more right than wrong.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I agree, Shep. Hello Top 5 QB! Give me Jimmy Clausen or Colt McCoy 
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j/c..
Also, can you blame the guy for wanting out? He's got better numbers than DA through 2 1/2 games this year. (The DA lovers will come and try to dispute it, but they'll be wrong).
DA has gotten to play Cincy and Buffalo and 1/2 against Baltimore.
BQ has played Minnesota, Denver, and 1/2 against Baltimore.
Why wouldn't he want out if he only gets 2 1/2 games before he's pulled? Then, the guy he's pulled in favor of comes in and playes just as bad?
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Look at whats happened..first the holdout, which most believe Phil helped..because he didn't want to thrust him out..he wanted him to sit..
O.k..now when the Frye debacle happened he was in no position to challenge for the spot...next DA starts out hot(no need to use any ** we know what happened)..then DA regresses toward the end of the year..he has a miserable 08 year..Quinn comes in shows flashes of what the fuure holds..then hurts finger..
Now in 09 he wins QB comp..looks o.k in preseason..then looks lost in his starts..back on bench will not see those escalators/bonuses..
My thoughts..Condon will not want to let him rot here on the bench again..and probably Quinn is angry..
Now I'm sure Toad will ribit/hop in and say well "he had to be benched"...well after DA's performance Sunday was it better than Quinn's failures so far? 
Now we hear Mr.Overrated  DQ say DA can make all the throws(no he can't..he hasn't learned to turn the burner down to simmer )...so it sounds like some players prefer DA over Quinn..
Question is what happened to the kid?
Why did he look lost and didn't go downfield?
I still need to see him and see if he continues like this or was just rattled playing the tougher defenses...
Anyway..I've heard stuff about the trade deadline, jut don't have anything clear cut..but it may happen, it may not...
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I agree Shep.... Though i feel it would be absolutely STUPID to do it now. IF we were to take that route....wait till the offseason or at draft day or soon before.  Doing this now would make this organization look....eeeerrr...  Oh wait...we already look like that..... 
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Anderson sucks as a starter so we will be back to square one with a new QB next year......and the 5 year plan commences anew.
Not necessarily that bad. I'm all for trading Quinn while we can get something for him and just keep building the team up. In spite of him obviously not being a great starter, I'd let D.A. stay unless we can pick up his replacement in free agency.
Whatever happens, the next QB we draft, and I don't care if its in the next draft or the one after that, just HAS to have the best team this regime can build around him before he starts.
Back to Quinn though, would we really get the best deal for him now, as opposed to in the off season??? I'm kind of weary about trading him NOW.
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" I think this is one of those situations where you just have to trust the decision makers ... the guys that see these guys everyday."
Wish I could.. Those decision makers are what us got us here....
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Wish I could.. Those decision makers are what us got us here....
DING DING DING....... "We have a winner" 
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I agree, Shep.
Hello Top 5 QB!
but didnt we have that pick last year and passed on Sanchez? 
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I think Brady cooked his goose with the Edwards shoes.
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I think it's hilarious how the majority of the decision makers totally ignore the fact that DA had a 15.1 rating last week.
Linguini isn't even considering starting BQ. I understand that you can't keep switching back and forth but look at the performances. Look at who they played. If that performance doesn't even illicit a consideration of the bench, it seems to me that the decision makers have their starter etched in stone for the year and won't change for anything. Just curious why it was DA who got that bullet-proof status and not BQ.
BQ played three teams that are currently 14-1 or something with some of the best defenses we'll see all year.
DA absolutely stunk last week. Even given the drops, he stunk. And against a defense that wasn't even close to the quality of the first 3.
Trading BQ would be a big mistake is all I'm sayin, but I hope for his sake that he can find a better team to play for.
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Speculative article. Mary Kay needed something to write about to earn her paycheck.
It seems logical....but really....what team would look at the way BQ played in the first 2.5 games and give up more than a jar of pickles for him?
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Trading BQ would be a big mistake is all I'm sayin, but I hope for his sake that he can find a better team to play for.
It sounds like you will be there rooting for the guy.
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It sounds like you will be there rooting for the guy.
What I don't understand is why all of us wouldn't be rooting for the guy. He's a member of our team, no?
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It seems logical....but really....what team would look at the way BQ played in the first 2.5 games and give up more than a jar of pickles for him?
Perhaps they regard him more than a jar of pickles and just maybe are aware that he is more than what U might think???
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At some point I see Brady Quinn playing again this season. If/when he does he better play his butt off.
And if Quinn does play that means Anderson has been pulled. Meaning neither QB is the answer.
The way I see it, we trade Quinn in the off-season. Keep Anderson if he plays well, if not he is traded as well. Ratliff stays and starts if we aren't able to get a QB from a "Pro" in college. (There aren't many seniors not from the spread: McCoy, Tebow, Pike, LeFevour. In my opinion we have to hope Locker comes out early.)
Anyway, I think it is becoming more and more obvious that our QB future is not currently on the roster. Unless it is Ratliff, who will probably start a few games this season, so we will know what he's got too.
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It sounds like you will be there rooting for the guy.
What I don't understand is why all of us wouldn't be rooting for the guy. He's a member of our team, no?
I root for him. Just the wording before made it sound like you are a fan of BQ and not so much a fan of the Browns.
At any rate, we probably won't trade him. At this point the value is probably less than we would want in return...which gives the guy another shot here at some point.
Who knows...maybe the bit about taking him out to make DA the sacrificial lamb has merit.
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At some point I see Brady Quinn playing again this season. If/when he does he better play his butt off.
Yes..that would be the only way he would remain the starter.
If he does play and doesn't do well then ..fact is neither are playing well and yes the Browns will probably need another QB..
I've laid out many times in here that good DA/bad Mr.Anderson is what comes with him..and the downside of him is too hard to stay with.
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For a 2nd round pick they can have whichever QB they want on our roster.
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Also, can you blame the guy for wanting out? He's got better numbers than DA through 2 1/2 games this year.
Ah yes,....the numbers game. Thank God we can actually watch what they do for the team when they're out there playing, which is probably also the reason no one will seriously come knocking for BQ's services.
The bottom line is BQ is not worth much right now and I can only see us trading him now if we can can obtain another player that can immediately help our team ( i.e. OL??)
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And if Quinn does play that means Anderson has been pulled. Meaning neither QB is the answer.
Not really, it could be Anderson got injured... but either way, If Quinn gets back in under whatever circumstances, he's gotta play lights out... He has to take control and make it his team... Leave no doubts.. Otherwise, I'd say it's over for him.. JMO
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Question is what happened to the kid?
Vers has said the players prefer DA to BQ. Considering he was right about many things in the past including what an ass Edwards was I am more inclined to believe him.
I think he lost the players. I don't think they believe in BQ. Does that mean anderson is the answer? no, he's not all that great either. When it's between losing the locker room OR the fans it seems mangini picked the fans.
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We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Quinn may have never got a fair shake, but he clearly isn't the QB that the Browns either don't want or they don't need.
I remember reading over the offseason that Mangini wanted a QB who could make smart decisions and manage the game, but from what I have seen, and this is only my opinion, they want a QB who can play action and hit the defense over the top after running the ball.
Perhaps that is a stupid assumption or observation, maybe they actually are not running the offense they want because they do not have the QB they want, but from everything I've seen on the field, Brady Quinn doesn't look like he has a future here. I do hope they trade him to Seattle or another WCO type of team, because I think that is where he would thrive. Unfortunately, the best fit for him is a team that would have absolutely no need in him, IMO, and that's the Eagles.
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Vers has said the players prefer DA to BQ. Considering he was right about many things in the past including what an ass Edwards was I am more inclined to believe him.
I think he lost the players. I don't think they believe in BQ. Does that mean anderson is the answer? no, he's not all that great either. When it's between losing the locker room OR the fans it seems mangini picked the fans.
Quinn DID get punched in the face by Smith.
And while Smith was certainly in the wrong---what kind of team leader puts himself in that position? And what happened after he got punched in the face---did he pop him back; probably not.
So Brady pretty much got punked. He put himself in a stupid situation and got the brunt of it.
DA hasn't gotten punched in the face by his own teammate---and I don't know of any other QB in the league that would let himself get pulled into fisticuffs with a DT.
IMO, Brady came in with an heir of entitlement and guys didn't like it. Getting punched in the face by DT shows there is certainly some problem with his attitude.
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And if Quinn does play that means Anderson has been pulled. Meaning neither QB is the answer.
Not really, it could be Anderson got injured... but either way, If Quinn gets back in under whatever circumstances, he's gotta play lights out... He has to take control and make it his team... Leave no doubts.. Otherwise, I'd say it's over for him.. JMO
Yeah...and that will be so easy to do with the deficiencies that have yet to be corrected. [end sarcasm]
Neither QB is going to move this O on a consistent basis with the current pieces that are in place...
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Yeah...and that will be so easy to do with the deficiencies that have yet to be corrected
LOL All sarcasm aside, it will be almost impossible for him to do that.. I understand, but, he's got to at least make it clear he's better than DA or the result would be the same,, Gone,,,,
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I don't think much of anything has changed since the end of last year. The freakin' brass ring is right there for either of them to grab and neither has. Yes, there's a lot of mitigating circumstances but so far DA has just been slightly more effective overall than Quinn. I can't fault the coaches with sticking with him. Last weeks game was the ultimate example of "depends how you look at it" and you're definition of a drop/catchable pass. Of course BQ played an awfully hard early schedule with a team with a lot of new parts. I want Brady to be the guy for all the right reasons and I don't put a lot of stock into all the insinuations about him losing the team, sense of self entitlement etc. I think the players would play hard for Mussolini if he gave them a great shot at beating Pittsburgh. It's not "Guiding Light" people, it's a football team and most of these guys got to where they are by working hard under difficult circumstances and finding ways to stay positive. Half the posters on these boards were about to jump off a cliff after Sunday's uglyfest but watch the post game, the players take it for what it is... a win. Meaning, the brass ring is still there, they'll back who ever gives us the best shot to win. I do agree that if/when it comes this season BQ is going to have to sieze that ring with conviction to convince the coaches to let him ride. Mitigating circumstances or not, time's running out. He's got to create his own luck and success.
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but so far DA has just been slightly more effective overall than Quinn.
He just went 2/17 for 23 yards two days ago.
2 of 17
If you add together his weekly QB ratings for the last 3 weeks you get 114.....§hat's if you add them all together!!!
5 INTs in 3 games.
Not to mention we've seen his routine before....we already know he's not going to get any better.
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Quinn DID get punched in the face by Smith.
And while Smith was certainly in the wrong---what kind of team leader puts himself in that position? And what happened after he got punched in the face---did he pop him back; probably not.
So Brady pretty much got punked. He put himself in a stupid situation and got the brunt of it.
DA hasn't gotten punched in the face by his own teammate---and I don't know of any other QB in the league that would let himself get pulled into fisticuffs with a DT.
IMO, Brady came in with an heir of entitlement and guys didn't like it. Getting punched in the face by DT shows there is certainly some problem with his attitude.
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Some of you really making it sound like personal when comes to BQ, I don’t know what’s your issues, but its ridicules
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DA got into verbal fights/quarrel with couple of players on the field in different situation, Jerome Harrison and BE I guess. But this dose not make him bad leader at least in my eyes. Same way I don’t tag BQ bad leader because he got into fight with AH inside locker room
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I watch with my eyes though. As for stats, they just support or subtract from whatever you want to see. THere were all those "mitigating circumstances" I was talking about. Neither QB would have done squat this past Sunday. Not saying DA was "effective" just a little less anemic so far as evidenced by the previous sunday.
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The single biggest difference between weeks 1 and 2 and weeks 4 and 5 is quite simply that the defense showed up the entire game in weeks 4 and 5.. that's it. If that's because DA was on the field instead of BQ then I would say that the problem is with the defense, not with the QB.
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Smith needed a swift kick between all that fat located on his face..his pie-hole..piece of crap..I'd like to see Smith punch you in the face and see what you would do.
U get punked in here quite often so I guess you would understand that..
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The single biggest difference between weeks 1 and 2 and weeks 4 and 5 is quite simply that the defense showed up the entire game in weeks 4 and 5.. that's it. If that's because DA was on the field instead of BQ then I would say that the problem is with the defense, not with the QB.
And we moved the ball and got first downs and scored two touchdowns against Cinci and had good pass protection with minimal sacks and got the ball to the WRs. And btw, we also won a game.
Do you actually watch the games or just read about them? That's a serious question.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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