DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum "Switch to BQ" debate

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Brady does not want to play for this team

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Well, he can't be any worse than what we've witnessed the last 2 weeks.

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I take it you forget the first two weeks of the season.

I think people are clinging to the hope that the QB of the future is on this team.

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Are you seriously saying DA has looked better the last 2 weeks? Seriously? I'm not saying Brady was better, but he was not worse than this.

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Quinn is averaging 8.88 yards a pass....45 completions 400 yards......so while he may be dinking and dunking...

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Quinn is averaging 8.88 yards a pass....45 completions 400 yards......so while he may be dinking and dunking...

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400 yards on 45 completions is not 8.88 per pass.........to get a per pass number, you need to include all his passes - ya know, the incomplete ones as well.

Now, to say he's averaging 8,88 yds per reception would be correct. If your yards and receptions numbers are right.

What's that mean? Not much. But your wording was wrong, for what it's worth.

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Well, he can't be any worse than what we've witnessed the last 2 weeks.

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I take it you forget the first two weeks of the season.

I think people are clinging to the hope that the QB of the future is on this team.

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No, sadly I remember them.. and no, he still couldn't be much worse than the last 2 weeks. How could he be worse? Could he make LESS than 2 completions in a game? Could he turn the ball over MORE than 3 times by himself? Could he score LESS than 13 offensive points in 2 complete games?

If, in fact, BQ was put in to drive his final nails in the coffin and he did it.. then DA must have gone out and bought himself a nail gun...

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I know what vick did to the animals, but maybe he really is sorry,

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j/c...

I think I just might have to change my stance on the the QB. Put BQ in and let him dig his own grave. Then all the people who just have to see what he can do will finally be done with it, and he'll become the next Timmay around here.

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I know what vick did to the animals, but maybe he really is sorry,

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Just listened to Mangini post game presser.. When asked about possible QB changes he said " I'm NOT looking to make a change"

So DA fans.. enjoy. The rest of us will hope good DA shows up someday.

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But I want it for purely selfish reasons.

As for him going to another team and being successful, I couldn't really care less about that because it wasn't going to happen here.

I mean, really, if he went to a team like the Patriots or the Colts or the Giants and found himself starting by some stroke of luck, would you really be all that surprised if he started lighting it up? If he went to another bottom-feeder like KC or Oakland or something, it would tell me either A) that team's issue rested pretty much solely within the QB position; B) our problems go way beyond the QB position; or, more likely, a combination of both. But no two teams or situations are the same, so I really can't get too upset if we trade away a busted prospect who flourishes elsewhere.

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Just listened to Mangini post game presser.. When asked about possible QB changes he said " I'm NOT looking to make a change"

So DA fans.. enjoy. The rest of us will hope good DA shows up someday.

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Might as well start it, & yes I am knee-jerking, but maybe for good reason.
Should we start thinking about Brady again?
I personally don't think we will next week, not yet.... but let's face it the offense still blows... and a fair bit of it is on DA, not all but man...
Will BQ get another shot? If DA fails to move the ball next week vs. Packers, or commits more turnovers, IMO we might start BQ in the second half.

Another reason to go go back to Quinn would be be to give him one final chance, after his "decompression" as Toad put it.

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I think it would be a good idea to go back to Quinn next week, at home, vs Green Bay. Here's why, IMO.

Hopefully he'll have the home crowd behind him.

We didn't use the wildcat as much with Quinn as we are now. That could open it up for him.

Our OC has to figure out a way to put Quinn in a better position to succeed. Get the WR's moving across the field so he can hit them on the run. I don't see enough quick slants in our offense either. You don't have to wait until you get inside the 10 to use a slant. Quick slants open up the outside. It seems like the only routes our WR's run are comeback routes.

We have Green Bay, @ Chicago, then the bye week. That gives Quinn a couple games to get his feet wet again. Then you use the bye week to work on the mistakes. If Quinn still doesn't get it by the SD game. I don't know what.

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I agree. We already saw what DA could do. The Browns went up against dome of the best defenses in the league so far this year. DA actually had 2 of the easiest starts against Buffaloes and Cincys defense. Ive always had to problems with DA when Im rooting for hin as the starter. The first problem was that DA stares down his targets. He has improved on that. His second problem is the velocity of his passes. the Browns are getting a lot of drops but part of it is the way the ball is coming at them. We all already know and have heard that if a NFL WR that gets paid millions of dollars should catch the ball if it hits their hands. They get paid to catch the ball. I do realize that the WR and TE position needs improved greatly. But if DA is the leader of this team and has the knowledge of a QB, then he should realize by now that if his targets cant catch bullets on the run (while reaching back on a full sprint or timing the ball over their head). He needs to put more touch/loft/finese on the ball. Yeah DA can throw a perfect spiral dart but when Im watching his passes they are line drive, sinking, darts. He throws that way to the RBs too. RBs are built differant and most have shorter arms, especially Lewis. DA dont need to throw a bullet, like he is pitching in the World Series to a RB 5 yards away. Its like DA thinks that if he gets the ball to the target then he is doing his job and and its on the target to do the rest. Which is right for the most part but not at that velocity. I saw a pass to harrison where he was running 5 yards deep across the field. DA threw a bullet low and behind him. He got his hands on the pass but on a full sprint he had to reach back and bend down to catch. Harrison had a step on the LB covering him with a wide open field between him and the sideline. If DA just lobbed the ball and lead Harrison to the open field, he had a step on the LB and he would have been the first person to the ball. Harrison also would be able to use his strength (speed), to seperate from almost any LB, while the ball is in the air.

I heard during the game that DAs WRs did a drill while they were 10 yards away and DA would throw at them as hard as he could. I dont think the coaches are setting the team up for success right. If you dont have the targets that can catch sinking dart passes, then the QB/offensive leader needs to make the adjustments to the targets. Obviosly just keep throwing sinking dart laser passes isnt working and some adjustments need to be made. Considering the OC is still in the training on site process, I dont think he realizes that hes the coach and he needs to have DA make these adjustments. Nobody on this board can tell me that its easier to be running from one sideline to the other sideline, even with nobody covering you, to run in a full sprint 5 yards deep and catch a sinking bullet while reaching down and behind you ON A FULL SPRINT, then it is to be a QB a lead your target 5 yards deep, having a step on the defender, and lob the pass in front of your target with nothing but open field in front of him.

I think if Mangini would make the switch now then the downfield targets would appreciate how the ball is being thrown to them and easier for them to make the catch. You can say the targets are paid to make the catch all you want, the fact of the matter is that these targets arent good enought to make those kind of catches so DA NEEDS TO ADJUST to what his targets can do. Good QB to WR tandems spend time with each other learning tendencies and figuring out where the target likes the ball. As a team, you have to do what it takes to make it easier for each other. DA is not being the teammate he needs to be by putting his target in a position for him to make the play. He must think that if he throws the bullet in the targets area, its all on him to do the rest. He should know by now that he can do that when he had Edwards (who caught more downfield and over his head), Winslow, and Joe Jurevicious, that those guys were good enough to make those catches. His backfield and Royal are not. Just like DA wasnt being a good teammate to Quinn and helping Quinn on the sidelines after the offense came off the field. DA was alwasy laughing and mucking it up with the 3rd stringer that he didnt have to compete with. Now that Quinn is on the sideline, he goes over to the QB and OC to listen and learn to what the OC is trying to do. Daboll didnt do that with Quinn like he is doing with Anderson. Some say that its because Daboll is trying to play catchup with Anderson because Quinn was the opening day starter. I dont believe that is true because they both had the same oppurtunities in camp. Its almost like Daboll is treating DA like his prized pupil and Quinn is the step child. Daboll has even admitted that both QBs have differant games and that he has to use differant gameplans for both QBs. I cant go back and scroll thru threads to find the exact article/qoute I read that from but Im sure someone else remembers posting it or reading it. Also, by watching the playcalling, I see a differant gameplan. If the defense is putting 8 in the box to stop Quinn, its up to the OC to create plays to beat that or allow the QB to make adjustments.

I dont think its coincidence that people that were rooting against Quinn, while most just thought DA was the better QB and better chance to succeed, that are not here now backing up DAs performance. You can say that the drops are all on the targets but I still think that DA needs to make adjustment to how the target can catch the ball or make the play. Another point on how he puts too much velocity on the ball is that the passes that aint dropped fly over the targets head. This is something I dont think DA can learn to do a better job at and make the proper adjustments. He knows what his targets can and cannot do (at least he better know he the leader on offense) and he needs to put them in the proper situation. DA is a decent QB that has his faults but he is a QB that needs great catchers. He is not a QB that can make his teammates better. I dont think he is a leader that tried to make his teammates better and tell his targets to brush it off in the huddle. He does more of a hissy fit and shakes his head, kinda like the mangini bobble head shake. I do realize hes frusterated because hes trying to show the coaches that its the targets and not him so dont bench him. Im starting to think more and more that since Mangini has admitted this is a rebuilding year after week 3, that if hes going to lose he might as well lose and save the $11 million Quinn could reach playing 70% of the offensive snaps. You can call that a conspiracy theory all you want but Ive heard of it happening before in a few pro sports to save money. Its almost like Mangini dont want either QB but since he is losing, save the money, and have a 20 week training camp for the rest of the team.

I think DA has faltered just as much, if not more than Quinn in his previouse starts to show he isnt the man. Even if he startes the rest of the year, he has shown that he isnt the long term awnser. But I think putting Quinn in now gives the team the best chance of winning. We know what DA can do and its time to let Quinn learn and get more playing time. If anything, these past 3 weeks would give him the time to reflect on what he was doing wrong and he can see what DA is doing to make the coaches give him playing time. But Im afraid even if Mangini wasnt that bullheaded to make another switch, Daboll would just call a differant gameplan again. Even the announcers (I know thats not a good referance with some of the idiots on CBS) were qustioning Daboll for not going back to the wildcat when it marched the offense and kept them on the field. Even if they give it to Lewis every 4 downs for a 2 yard game up the middle. Im guessing they are trying to keep the defense honest, and give Cribbs the oppurtunity to make 8 yards on 2 plays.

Im stealing this idea from a buddy of mine that said this during todays game. He said if they are going to keeping giving lewis the ball and send him up the middle, the whole defense is right there and collapsing the holes. it dont matter who the o-line is on that call. he said hand if off to Lewis out of the wildcat and when the defense collapses on him like that, he should turn around and flip it back to Cribbs like a flea flicker and give him the oppurtunity to pass the ball or run with it almost like a punt return. If he keeps the ball all he would have to do is cut the corner and he has an open field to beat the DBs. If Daboll would do this and put the teams playmakers in open space to make a play, then maybe people would question his lack of creativity. Its almost like Daboll dont have the balls to call a play and see it not work. Even if it didnt work, how would it be any worse then what they are doing now? It would also keep the defense on its toes and make them back off the line giving Lewis a little more momentum next time they run him up the middle.

I going to take a breath now.

Im rooting for whoever is in but Id rather see Quinn get another shot after what I saw from DA the past 3 weeks.

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both suck....deadbate is right...personally, I'd like to give Quinn a few more starts to make sure he really does suck that bad

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Thats a shorter way of saying what I want if you dont have time to read my last post. i just had a lot to say about the topic and we talked about it for hours at the bar earlier.

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I mean, really, if he went to a team like the Patriots or the Colts or the Giants and found himself starting by some stroke of luck, would you really be all that surprised if he started lighting it up?

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Yeah.

Ride DA out this year. Ship Quinn for a fifth while he still has minimal value. Sign a a vet to take the lumps for a year or two. Send DA to the bench, or out of town for another fifth rounder.

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DA has completed 11 the last two weeks

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his decision to "pay tribute" to Braylon by wearing his shoes

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I saw a couple shots with him and DA on the sideline.

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If he really means it and sticks to it, what that does that say about Quinn?

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hisbutt.com........he pulls info out of there quite often...lol.

At this point I would wait until the bye week, and then sit the team downn and explain to them that there will be no more switching BQ is the guy for the rest of the year. My reasoning is that we need to make sure Quinn isn't it.........after 3 years we know that DA isn't it. I doubt (highly might I add) that Quinn is the answer, but you have to make sure that he isn't before we cut him lose, and get another one.

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