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Watch the game. Many of those drops were bad throws from DA (either too hard, behind, or low). When all of your throws are off target it becomes very difficult not to drop some of them. The difference between our receivers and other teams isn't that they drop a higher percentage of accurate throws, it's that they see more bad throws than any other receiver in the league.

Let's also remember that DA wasn't really that good in 2007. He had the best protection in the league that year and had everything he threw caught, yet still was only 17th in rating and 28th in completion percentage (plus had a 1300 yard rusher).

Finally, to all those who are worried about the 70% caveat on BQ (which I am as well since he isn't worth the cash), remember that between DA's playing time plus running the wildcat 10-12 snaps a game, Quinn won't get there anyways even if he starts Sunday.

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If he really means it and sticks to it, what that does that say about Quinn?

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It says one of two things.. one being quite simply that BQ really does suck that bad.. or two being that they still see some promise in BQ but don't want to throw him into this mess to just look really really bad again... and honestly, I could believe either of those are true at this point.

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The reality is with a load of picks the Browns(if KoMan is smart) can get a QB and still address a lot of the needs..not to mention FA..they should be able to plug some holes..a trade here or there should bring in another pick..

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Does a great QB make an average team great or can a great team make an average QB great?

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Switch back to BQ? Sure, why not. Might as well spread the misery of having absolutely NO weapons to work with around. Neither QB is going to show much in the environment Mangini has created for them to work in.

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I'm fully comfortable with what I believe Anderson to be. While I'm not optimistic about Quinn, he's more of an unanswered question, but now isn't the time to throw him back into the fire.

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How can you be comfortable with Anderson after what he's done?

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What I don't believe is that we need 6 new offensive studs before it's worth drafting a QB... my two biggest needs on this offense right now (aside from QB) are RT and TE... I'd certainly take upgrades at a couple other positions and I'd love to have a veteran WR that runs great routes and catches the ball and blocks... but you give me a solid RT and a good well-rounded TE that can catch and I think this offense is decent.... I'm not talking great, I'm talking decent if you take those players and add the right QB...

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I will wait until after the greenbay game to make a decision. There is a bye, and with the extra time we can decide.

I have not see anything from anderson that suggests he should be the QB after the bye. But, 3 games is 3 games.

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Why would we want to hand him 11 million more dollars by GIVING him his 70% of the snaps when we aren't sure he is worth what he is making now??

I think, if my first though is unfounded, we may see Quinn back in later in the season for another look once it becomes impossible for him to meet the 70% of snaps mark.

Some may call it dirty pool. I call it managing the cap.

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Eric Mangini reaffirms support for Browns QB Derek Anderson, regardless of statistics
By Mary Kay Cabot
October 19, 2009, 9:07PM
Thomas Ondrey/The Plain DealerEric Mangini made it clear on Monday that he's fully supporting Derek Anderson as the Browns starter, regardless of Anderson's current statistics.
Livingston: Roster doesn't help Browns' QBs
Kosar: Quinn could use a fresh start
Insider: Nothing imminent on trade front
Mangini press conference | Browns forumBEREA, Ohio -- Brady Quinn might still be on the roster when the trading deadline passes at 4 p.m. Tuesday, but it doesn't mean he'll be playing anytime soon, regardless of how bad the offense is.

Whenever the subject of Quinn replacing Derek Anderson is even broached, coach Eric Mangini crushes it like a grape.

Following Sunday's 27-14 loss to the Steelers, Mangini said, "I'm not looking to make a move, no."

So not only will Quinn be stuck in Cleveland despite the fact he'd most likely welcome a trade, he'll be on the bench for the foreseeable future.

Hey, if you can't get playing time behind a starter who's tumbled to last in the NFL with a 41.7 rating -- even behind the struggling JaMarcus Russell (51.0) -- then you might want to rent instead of buy your next dwelling in town.

Mangini's commitment to Anderson, coupled with some strong statements by Sports Illustrated's Peter King over the weekend, all point to the probable end of Quinn in Cleveland in the off-season if not by Tuesday.

During halftime of the Notre Dame-USC game on Saturday, King stated in no uncertain terms that Quinn will not be back with the Browns next season.

"Whether he goes or not [by Tuesday's trading deadline], he will not be on the Browns in 2010," said King, who interviewed Mangini and General Manager George Kokinis last week. "I believe they've had enough of Brady Quinn."

It's not known if Quinn's agent, Tom Condon, has asked for a trade, but it wouldn't be surprising if the subject came up during the Oct. 7 trade of Condon client Braylon Edwards to the Jets. Still, the Browns have no incentive for doing so unless a team makes an offer they can't refuse. If they wait until after the bye week to play him, they would avoid triggering $11 million in escalators -- and why do so if they don't know if he's their quarterback of the future?

Besides, Mangini is convinced that Anderson is the better choice right now, despite the horrible statistics.

"There have been times where we've moved the ball really effectively, and I think the drive that we had at the beginning of the second half [in Pittsburgh] is indicative of things that we can do," he said. "We have to do a much better job of not stopping ourselves whether it be with the dropped balls or some throws that are a little bit off or it could be tightening up the protection or tightening up the routes -- all those things -- I think we can get better at that.

"There were some positive things that I've seen throughout the course of Derek working at quarterback that I think will get better."

Thanks to performances by both quarterbacks, the Browns have scored only four offensive touchdowns in 72 possessions. They are:

• 31st in total offense (239.8 avg.);

• 31st in passing yards (136.2);

• 30th in first downs (13.6);

• 29th in 3rd down efficiency (27.9 percent), and

• 30th in points per game (11.5).

In addition to his dead-last rating, Anderson is last in the NFL in third-down passing at 31.7 percent. He's completed only 26.8 percent (11 of 41) of his attempts over the last two games.

But Mangini attributes that to up to 16 drops over the past two games. What's more, Anderson took the Bengals to overtime in his first start of the season, beat the Bills (albeit 6-3), and had the Browns within three points of the Steelers in the third quarter of Sunday's game.

Going 4-for-4 for 61 yards on the opening drive of the second half, Anderson threw a 1-yard TD pass to Lawrence Vickers that pulled the Browns to within 17-14. Included was a beautiful 43-yard strike to Mohamed Massaquoi. If not for a questionable call on Pittsburgh's attempt at a fourth and 1 sneak at the end of the first half, the game would've been tied at that point.

To be that close in the third quarter in Pittsburgh? Mangini will take it. The feeling is that if the drops can be minimized, the offense will improve dramatically.

"There's no excuse for it," Anderson said after the game. "We're going to continue to keep working. I've got to get better. I've got to give them better chances to catch it, be more precise on my throws. That's all we can do. There's no excuse for it, there's no reason behind it. They're good receivers, they're good players."

Mangini attributed some of rookie Mohamed Massaquoi's six drops in two weeks to "looking to run before he actually got the ball and that's something that you can't do."

Massaquoi acknowledged the young receivers have to grow up fast.

"Definitely," he said. "We definitely have to continue to grow and mature and try to do our part to make sure we can contribute and help string together some wins."

He said there's hope for the passing game because "it's clicked at certain points. That means it can click throughout the whole game and click for the rest of the season. So that part's going to come. Hopefully it comes sooner than later."

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Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start: Cleveland Browns morning news roundup
By Starting Blocks
October 20, 2009, 6:10AM
APBrady QuinnFormer Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar says that Brady Quinn is probably better off he gets a new start elsewhere.

Kosar, now a consultant with the Browns, said on WKNR yesterday:

“Multiple systems and multiple coaches haven’t worked out in Cleveland. Maybe a fresh start will help him out.”

The NFL trade deadline is today.

A story in CantonRep.com speculates that several teams could use a quarterback like Quinn. Those teams include Miami, Seattle, Tennessee, Buffalo, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

Kosar hesitated when asked if Quinn would be traded.

"Ummm, you know what, I think it would be tough … It’s a tough spot for him right now,” Kosar said. “I personally like seeing that he’s unhappy not playing. You don’t want a young quarterback that’s happy being a backup.

“People should cut him slack if he is frustrated and does say something that’s maybe a little negative in terms of wanting to play.

“If something’s out there …”




Progress: QB Derek Anderson has only completed 11 passes in his last two games, but coach Eric Mangini made it clear that Anderson will remain No. 1 against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.

The Browns are 31st in the league in offense and 30th in points scored. They have scored four offensive touchdowns in 72 possessions this season, but Mangini sees progress

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A story in CantonRep.com speculates that several teams could use a quarterback like Quinn. Those teams include Miami, Seattle, Tennessee, Buffalo, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

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I got the impression that Bernie couldn't get a grip on just what Daboll was trying to do as an Offense ????

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You couldn't just tack this on the existing "Switch to BQ debate" thread?

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Sorry, didn' realize it was your turn to slap my hands.., who died and put you in charge Shep?

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I don't believe Quinn will be traded. I've said it before but I think DA has been given every chance to outright have the starting job for good and has one more week to prove it's his.

After the bye week when Quinn can no longer reach those incentives I believe unless DA comes out and plays lights out against the Packers we will see Quinn for the rest of the season. It was obvious his play didn't warrant paying him that large bonus but they can't trade him without putting him in the game and finding out what they have in him. It isn't like DA has proven to be far superior to Quinn. Some drives he looks better others he looks worse. That's just who DA is.

If he had come out and played well enough to not question his ability to lead this team then yes, They might trade Quinn. The fact is we still need a QB and nobody knows for sure if Quinn can be that guy.

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This article on possible trades says Quinn could be moved for 2nd rounder if someone is looking for a young QB

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This article on possible trades says Quinn could be moved for 2nd rounder if someone is looking for a young QB

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That link also said the Patriots couldnt find any takers for Galloway. Would Galloway be an upgrade to this teams WRs? I dont see why he would come here outside of a paycheck but if he signed a one year deal and can catch DAs bullets, it would give him a longer career if thats what he wants for himself. Id rather give him a look and keep Cribbs as a returner and wildcat/gimmick player. I dont know who I would want to see cut though.

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That link also said the Patriots couldnt find any takers for Galloway. Would Galloway be an upgrade to this teams WRs?

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