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... and his name is Joshua Cribbs.
Josh Cribbs
Height: 6 ft 1 in
Weight: 215 lb
Adrian Peterson
Height: 6-1
Weight: 217
Why has this move NOT been made?
Discuss...
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Cause our coaching staff isn't THAT bad.
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TOO valuable as a KR,...or the fulcrum of whatever Wildcat it is we have ? I don't know, but I don't want Cribbs getting busted up running behind this OLine. Good physical attribute comparison though,.... 
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Nothing to really discuss. You are spot on. Apparently the Browns see something us the fans don't. I know when Cribbs runs the ball he has a 7-8 yard average. Last I checked, he holds onto the ball pretty well. Seems to carry it high and tight. He has excellent vision and once he makes up his mind, he goes balls to the wall. Aren't those characteristics of a NFL back?
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Too bad James Davis got hurt. Ouch.
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Sorry, I don't understand your post. Can you elaborate for me? Thanks.
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Cribbs is not a running back...
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Cribbs is not a running back...
A betwen the tackles every down runner, probably not. But give him the ball 15-18 times per game at the running back position and I bet you will like what you see.
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Don't mind that you think that, but why not?
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Cribbs is not a running back...
A betwen the tackles every down runner, probably not. But give him the ball 15-18 times per game at the running back position and I bet you will like what you see.
Dude.. our actual running backs barely get that many carries.. Our offense has to stay on the field for that to happen.. and the chances of that happening this season is at a bare minimum.
I'd rather see Cribbs take snaps in a 3/4 WR set than just open up in the wildcat every time... If nothing is there, the defense will be spread out, and he can run for huge carries..
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Cribbs is not a running back...
A betwen the tackles every down runner, probably not. But give him the ball 15-18 times per game at the running back position and I bet you will like what you see.
Dude.. our actual running backs barely get that many carries.. Our offense has to stay on the field for that to happen.. and the chances of that happening this season is at a bare minimum.
I'd rather see Cribbs take snaps in a 3/4 WR set than just open up in the wildcat every time... If nothing is there, the defense will be spread out, and he can run for huge carries..
Cribbs is our best player. You don't think that by him touching the ball more in various formations would allow us more first downs thus keeping us on the field longer.........dude???
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Completely agree. But he is not now, and never will be Adrian Peterson in the backfield.
He's faster and more explosive than Lewis as a runner - he's stronger than Harrison which would clearly benefit in blocking. I'd have no problem starting him as RB this Sunday and keeping him there; it's not like he'd have a hard time understanding the RB playbook.
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You don't know he's not AP before you seem him for awhile.
Can't ever tell until you try.
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I'd agree. Cribbs should try out RB. He doesn't run crisp enough routes or have good enough hands to be a receiver. But he has been successful in the few times we use him in wildcat a game.
But the question is, would he be better than any of our other RBs? He's not better than the WR's, but is he better than the other RB's. Otherwise, I say we continue to use him as Wildcat.
It is semi-successful and give the defense something else to plan for
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Ridiculous.
He runs too upright and doesn't know how to avoid big hits. He's as much a running back as he is a defensive back and a wide receiver. I take that back......he's more of a receiver than a running back, and he's no receiver.
The ability to make people miss on kick returns does NOT equate to being able to make people miss when running out of the backfield.
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Size does not equate automatic success.
Running back punts and kickoffs are a totally different animal than running between the tackles.
Cribbs does not have the built in instincts of a RB. Thats something that takes years to work on and in alot of cases,you either have it or you don't.
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Ridiculous.
He runs too upright and doesn't know how to avoid big hits. He's as much a running back as he is a defensive back and a wide receiver. I take that back......he's more of a receiver than a running back, and he's no receiver.
The ability to make people miss on kick returns does NOT equate to being able to make people miss when running out of the backfield.
Toad, you have your opinion on it, but I don't see this as being homerism at all. I see a guy that runs hard and gains positive yards each time he's on the field. There are other guys who run a tad upright and are still successful. I'm not saying Cribbs is like those guys (if you know who I'm referring to), but he does do a good job hanging on to the ball and Cribbs's YAC is damn good too.
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Ridiculous.
I quit reading right there. I love it how people around here try to speak with authority.
You're now blocked. Maybe you should consider taking a communications class.
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Raleigh, there's a longstanding joke with Water and I that goes back years, which is where the Homerism quip comes from. The important information revolves around whether or not Cribbs is our "franchise" running back.
The differences appear very small on the surface, but at the heart of the matter they are the reasons why that kinda role isn't for Cribbs. Example:
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I couldn't agree more. But that isn't something that separates him from other potential RB's. Quote:
There are other guys who run a tad upright and are still successful.
Yes there are. Some of the best backs in the history of the league have run upright. However, I've a laundry-list of cliche's, quips, and sayings designed to make or debunk points. One that applies here goes as follows:
Just because something is possible, that doesn't mean it's plausible.
To that end, there are backs in the league who've run upright. The key to that is knowing how to avoid a hit, and how to protect the ball. Cribbs has shown during his times toting the rock that he isn't adept at either of those.
Now, as a Wildcat guy, yeah, he's a weapon. But that isn't the same as being a legit running back. He constantly is trying to stretch out for an extra yard which exposes the ball. That's how he fumbled earlier in the year on a catch. Even in the last game, on a run he spun while diving forward to avoid a tackle, but that move exposed the ball. No, he didn't fumble, but that's how fumbles occur  Beyond that, he takes WAY too many hard shots when trying to run against a traditional defense. When running against a coverage unit, he's big and strong enough to run through those arm tackles and quick enough in open space make a guy miss. But when he's going against a tight defense, he becomes an easy target and gets lit up.
I like Cribbs for what he can do, but I don't believe many people understand that the elusiveness and electricity he shows on kickoffs just doesn't equate to running the ball between the tackles in a traditional sense.
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Just a question to you Toad...You say he run's upright?
Didn't Dickerson also run up right? Just asking, because as I rember he did, as did Marcus Allen.
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Didnt read your whole post so.....  I see you answered that, sorry Toad
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I believe it's Jennings. Give the dude a shot.
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Josh Cribbs is "born" to be a RB..been saying it for years...Cribbs is a "natural" Ball Carrier....he is not a runner, he is a "ball carrier" there is a huge difference.
I would venture to say IF Cribbs was a full-time RB, he would be BETTER than Adrian Peterson
Adrian Peterson is a "runner" he is mostly speed...Peterson is not even as good as LT in his prime...LT was a much better ball carrier
You watch Cribbs and LT in his prime
BOTH of them have outstanding vision
On Cribbs run yesterday, he showed that vision when he hit the outside, he allows his blocks to set up and weaves behind them like a thing of beatuy
this also shows on his kick and punt returns..the guy has an uncanny knack for seeing his blocks begin to develop and where to weave in and out with the football
THIS CAN NOT BE TAUGHT either you ahve it or you don't
Cribbs has it, Peterson does not...Peterson is just a runner, and has a little speed, he can;t break tackles like Cribbs can, he doesn't weave through his blocks like Cribbs can, and he doesn't go balls to the wall to the hole like Cribbs does
I have said it to my freinds for YEARS that Cribbs looks like a bigger version of Eric Metcalf...you can't teach those skills.
Metcalf was one of the 3 best ball carriers of the modern era...the guy was on the NFL 75th Anniversary team for petes sake
Cribbs has all his skills, and is a bit bigger and can actually break tackles
Im telling you, If Cribbs would be given a chance to to be a full time HB...he would tear it up in this league
Cribbs is a natural "Ball Carrier" I'll take a ball carrier anyday over a runner
Cribbs has excellent vision, and has the uncanny ability of just "feeling" where is block are going to be set up and how to weave in and out of them
that cna't be taught, you watch him on the outside sweep yesterday...you can't teach that....the Steelers really couldn't stop Cribbs running the ball....
if Cribbs ever gets that chance, the dude will excel
He is 2 pounds ligther than peterson, but he plays twice as heavy...rarely does Cribbs get taken down by one guy.....
Cribbs would make one fine ball carrier
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Well, I don't know if Cribbs would be good in this role or not. No one does...even the magical Toad  However, if you look at the most important qualities of a RB, Josh does possess many of them: - Vision and anticipation of holes - He's shown over and over again that he can find the crease quickly. - Acceleration - Hard to find any faults with Cribbs here. He goes from 0 to full speed in 2 steps. - Change of Direction - Next to Harrison, he may be the quickest cutback guy on the team. - Size - Check. - Leg Strength - Josh is not a goal line type back. But he has shown over and over again how hard it is to bring him down. He has very strong legs. - Pick up Blitzes - Unknown. I've never seen him been asked to do it. - Mentality - No doubt in my mind he has the mentality and toughness. The bottom line is...we just don't know. He posseses some positive traits and it'd be awfully hard to blanket the "idea" with a straight up "ridiculous" comment without KNOWING first.
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well said Knight. I think the greatest asset Cribbs brings to the table is his "vision" and that's the most important piece of a running backs arsenal.
However, I agree with Toad. Cribbs does get lit up sometimes because he runs too upright.
I think that he played running back, I would cringe every time he got the ball thinking he might get rocked. I think that he might learn to absorb blows over time.
As yesterday showed, he is our best weapon. Why not give him a chance?
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I've been saying this for years to people: Josh Cribbs should be our 3rd down RB.
I don't think he would excel at being an every down back, and anyone who thinks he would is foolish. Let me repeat that: he will never be a franchise, every-down RB!
But put this guy in as a 3rd down back, keep him somewhat fresh, and I think he could be as explosive a weapon as there is in the NFL. Give him some draws, swing passes, screens, and a few between the tackle runs, and watch the magic. He has the size and the willingness to pick up a blitz. He has decent hands too (not any worse than JL or JH) .He's also a bigger, taller target than those two (maybe DA will be able to hit him j/k). He might be the best I've ever seen at setting up and using blockers. That's why I think he'd be great at draws and screens.
Cribbs is our biggest play-maker, and the most dangerous man with ball in his hands on the team, maybe the league. Give him some space and some time to pick up some speed, and he will put it in the endzone.
He must be accounted for by the defense. If a team like Pittsburgh sends the ranch on a blitz, swing it out to cribbs quick. He's too fast to be shadowed by a LB, but is also big and strong enough to cause problems for most corners and a lot of safeties in the league.
Just my $0.02 on how Cribbs should be used in the offense.
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Cribbs is the best QB we have on the team, but I agree he wouldn't project as a full time quality back.
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Ridiculous.
He runs too upright and doesn't know how to avoid big hits. He's as much a running back as he is a defensive back and a wide receiver. I take that back......he's more of a receiver than a running back, and he's no receiver.
The ability to make people miss on kick returns does NOT equate to being able to make people miss when running out of the backfield.
Whether he runs too upright has nothing to do with it. Eric Dickerson was an upright runner. I think he turned out ok. Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch. I'm not comparing Cribbs to Dickerson. I'm just simply saying that it doesn't really matter how the RB runs the ball. It only matters if the RB has the ability to do so.
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I would venture to say IF Cribbs was a full-time RB, he would be BETTER than Adrian Peterson
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Just wanted everyone to see this again.
Thats fine
say what you want
Peterson is just a runner...he not even in the top 5 backs of this decade let alone the modern era
Peterson couldn't hold Eric Metcalfs Jock Strap
Tomlinson in his prime was twice the RB Peterson is
Marshal Faulk was the best RB of the 90's by far....Faulk was a ball carrier, much better then Peterson
I could go one
Lets see Cribbs "was a college QB" who becomes the best special teams return man in the league...will probably break metcalfs records...and you laugh
Cribbs has done more in this league than Peterson
Cribbs is only 2 pounds light than Peterson, and Cribbs has better vision and breaks more tackles
Its not as much of a stretch as you may think
Cribbs is a ball carrier...it doesn't matter if its on special teams or in the reg game
When Cribbs weaves and wows his way for 18 yard run on the outside against the Steelers (who KNEW it was coming)...i would venture to say the kid is a darn good ball carrier
Cribbs has never gotten the chance to prove how good of a RB he is..but I cann see a "natural" Ball Carrier in the kid, and not some 3-4 year runner...he is a ball carrier just like some of the greats, the kid just needs a chance...
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I can't even respond to a post like this.
AP could go down as the best running back ever.
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Field vision on KR's and PR's does not = field vision coming out of the backfield.
And, seriously dude. It's AP's 3rd year in the league.
Just for comparison...
Marshall Faulks first 3 full years in the league...
801 attempts, 2938 yards, in 45 games. 3.66 YPC.
Adrian Peterson through 2 1/2 seasons...
722 atteamps, 3725 yards, in 36 games. 5.15 YPC.
He was MUCH better than Peterson, how?
Think about the company you're trying to put a guy who has NEVER played RB in.
It's ridiculous.
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AP could go down as the best running back ever.
Don't worry. I got it.
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How can anyone possibly take you seriously about anything after you put up something like this?
Cribbs > than AP? Really? Put down the stuff your smoking. (Or give it to Tyler)
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Thats fine
say what you want
Peterson is just a runner...he not even in the top 5 backs of this decade let alone the modern era
Peterson couldn't hold Eric Metcalfs Jock Strap
Tomlinson in his prime was twice the RB Peterson is
Marshal Faulk was the best RB of the 90's by far....Faulk was a ball carrier, much better then Peterson
I could go one
Lets see Cribbs "was a college QB" who becomes the best special teams return man in the league...will probably break metcalfs records...and you laugh
Cribbs has done more in this league than Peterson
Cribbs is only 2 pounds light than Peterson, and Cribbs has better vision and breaks more tackles
Its not as much of a stretch as you may think
Cribbs is a ball carrier...it doesn't matter if its on special teams or in the reg game
When Cribbs weaves and wows his way for 18 yard run on the outside against the Steelers (who KNEW it was coming)...i would venture to say the kid is a darn good ball carrier
Cribbs has never gotten the chance to prove how good of a RB he is..but I cann see a "natural" Ball Carrier in the kid, and not some 3-4 year runner...he is a ball carrier just like some of the greats, the kid just needs a chance...
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i think he's saying that cribbs could be the "bestest"
who the heck knows....i wanna know if he can play RG, RT, or OLB
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Thats fine
say what you want
Peterson is just a runner...he not even in the top 5 backs of this decade let alone the modern era
Peterson couldn't hold Eric Metcalfs Jock Strap
Tomlinson in his prime was twice the RB Peterson is
Marshal Faulk was the best RB of the 90's by far....Faulk was a ball carrier, much better then Peterson
I could go one
Lets see Cribbs "was a college QB" who becomes the best special teams return man in the league...will probably break metcalfs records...and you laugh
Cribbs has done more in this league than Peterson
Cribbs is only 2 pounds light than Peterson, and Cribbs has better vision and breaks more tackles
Its not as much of a stretch as you may think
Cribbs is a ball carrier...it doesn't matter if its on special teams or in the reg game
When Cribbs weaves and wows his way for 18 yard run on the outside against the Steelers (who KNEW it was coming)...i would venture to say the kid is a darn good ball carrier
Cribbs has never gotten the chance to prove how good of a RB he is..but I cann see a "natural" Ball Carrier in the kid, and not some 3-4 year runner...he is a ball carrier just like some of the greats, the kid just needs a chance...
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Don't quite see how his value as a kick returner out weighs a running back. He gets about 5 chances to touch the ball return kicks and possibly 25 running the ball. A solid running back is worth way more than an elite kick returner in my book.
I'd personally love to us make him a running back. He might be the best at avoiding tackles in the whole league. Maybe he wouldn't be an inside runner like Jamal all the time, but boy would it ever spread out the defense.
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