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2009 is over without actually being over, so looking forward to how we fix the team is about all we've got left.
It's just a matter of time before someone brings up Merriman, so I decided to be proactive a few weeks ago and focus on him to see if he has anything that we'd be interested in.
The first question in terms of relevance is obviously whether or not he's going to be available. That can be answered with articles like these:
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LB Shawne Merriman's name has popped up with Tuesday's trade deadline fast approaching. Merriman, a three-time Pro Bowler, has been slow to recover from last season's knee injury, and the team drafted OLB Larry English in the first round of April's draft. Given Merriman's expiring contract and tenuous relationship with GM A.J. Smith, he could be moved out of town much like fellow 2005 first-rounder Braylon Edwards was shipped out of Cleveland last week. -- Nate Davis
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Some personnel people believe Chargers LB Shawne Merriman isn’t untouchable. Judging by the comments from general manager A.J. Smith, it doesn’t seem like a lock that Merriman is a part of the Chargers’ future plans. I’d be stunned if he received a long-term contract from them anytime soon.
Smith has been very vocal about criticizing his players (very stoopid) and in return, Merriman has been equally as idiotic in criticizing Smith's comments.
All signs point towards Merriman moving on, so yes, it's very likely he'll be available at year's end.
So, where does Merriman stand as a player?
Coming out of college, there was great debate about his abilities, but also regarding his sudden weight gain before the draft, going from a reported weight of 245-250 his Junior year then suddenly showing up and weighing 272 before the draft just a few months later.
Without juice, that's impossible.
Now, it's possible those numbers are skewed in some form or fashion, but that was a live story which stunk of steroids. Sure, he was talented, but questions about his character and his sudden size made me want no part of him.
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Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has been notified he will be suspended for four games for violating the NFL's steroids and related substances policy, league and team sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.
Merriman's positive test was "definitely for steroids … not one of those supplement deals," said a source with knowledge of Merriman's suspension earlier Monday. Both the initial A sample and backup B sample came back positive, Mortensen reported.
The cheater was caught and the fraud exposed.
Yet what are the benefits and risks of steroids? Greater strength, burst, and speed helped Merriman become the greatest pass-rush force in the NFL.............before doctors informed Merriman that he had two torn knee ligaments in his left knee.
Interesting that the body broke down without having it happen on a specific play. Simple wear and tear ultimately tore BOTH his PCL and his LCL?
Nah.........Steroids couldn't have had anything to do with that. [sarcasm/off]
So he's down for the entire 2008 season, and supposedly came back ready to rock and roll in 2009. So what has he produced for the struggling Chargers?
6 games
18 total tackles
0 sacks
In short, he's been an absolute NON-factor.
I've watched him play several times this year, and he looks nothing like the player that could simply explode through offensive tackles three years ago. So I decided to record the game against the Chargers and do nothing but focus on him.
What I saw with Merriman was a shell of his former self. Ryan Clady handled him 1-1 all night long. Sometimes Rivera would switch Merriman to the left side of the defense, where he'd get shut-down by the right tackle, again 1-1. He was shoved around quite often, creating very little pressure, and got stonewalled all game long.
I considered the possibility that his knee has not fully recovered, but any time I'd expect to see him dog a play or favor his leg, it never happened. There's nothing wrong with his knee. He simply isn't the same player he was a few years ago.
So, to those that might consider Merriman if/when he becomes available, keep in mind that all the rumors about his sudden weight-gain were true, that he was a steroid user, and that the injuries suffered from just wear-and-tear on his knee are indicative of his fading production as a player. What I saw tonight told me that Merriman is NOT a potential answer for this team, as his reputation precedes him. Not only would a team be hoping he'd be able to regain his form from several years ago WITHOUT the benefits of steroids, but they'd also be hoping he could overcome a serious knee-injury.
In short, Merriman isn't an answer for this team. Don't be tempted to reach for a guy like this based on previous years fueled by a body build by steroids. He isn't that player anymore, and is a HUGE risk for whichever team signs him.
AJ Smith is an idiot of a GM for talking as much as he does, but he has done a good job of fielding good players and making a good team. He knows the future of his team doesn't include someone like Merriman. He may be an idiot, but in many cases, Smith has proven he's no fool.
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I would not want the Browns to go anywhere near him. I doubt he would really want to sign with the Browns anyway. So I think we are safe there.
It's amazing how much of a non-factor he is right now. Living on the west coast I see I lot of SD games. I've heard announcers say, "where is Merriman?"
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Keep him on the Left Coast with Arnold. We need this like a drowning man needs a glass of water. 
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Pass.. If he did it once, he'll do it again. Why risk it.
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LB Shawne Merriman's name has popped up with Tuesday's trade deadline fast approaching. Merriman, a three-time Pro Bowler, has been slow to recover from last season's knee injury, and the team drafted OLB Larry English in the first round of April's draft. Given Merriman's expiring contract and tenuous relationship with GM A.J. Smith, he could be moved out of town much like fellow 2005 first-rounder Braylon Edwards was shipped out of Cleveland last week. -- Nate Davis
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Merriman's positive test was "definitely for steroids … not one of those supplement deals," said a source with knowledge of Merriman's suspension earlier Monday. Both the initial A sample and backup B sample came back positive, Mortensen reported.
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He will always be injured from this point on.. and will never be the player he was while he was on whatever "juice" he was taking..
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Toad...I thought you were going to suggest us getting him.
I completely agree with you, added onto the fact that his character sucks.
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He will always be injured from this point on.. and will never be the player he was while he was on whatever "juice" he was taking..
Yup, I agree.
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i love merriman, great player, and probably the attitude our defense needs, but i don't want a guy who's had knee problems and is still young. pass.
i don't see mangini giving up picks for players at this point, it's gonna be the reverse for a while until we're good.
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I know you're smarter than actually believing he'd be a viable option for us. I don't like the steroid thing more from the injury perspective. That definitely has something to do with his tendons being damaged. The injury issue is too scary. Other than that, he can't produce right now and isn't a Mangini guy (character issues up the wazzoo, that and he didn't wear green and white last year, hardy har har  )
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Just throwing this out there because I heard it today...
Merriman for Shaun Rogers.....Said Browns need a pass rush...Chargers need a NT.
A) Merriman has not done much as a pass rusher this year...and the trade would be based solely on the hope he returns to form
B) Would the Browns not need a NT then....although I have read here there are a few young guys that might be able to step in.
Also just read that Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer said that the Jets are interested in Rogers....and you know how Mangini loves to trade with the Jets
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It would take an unbelievable offer to get Rogers if you ask me. I'm talking something massive like 2 1st rounders and a starting outside linebacker...
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Also just read that Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer said that the Jets are interested in Rogers....and you know how Mangini loves to trade with the Jets
Ummm......don't like that one bit. However, if we get a great deal, like their first and another high pick in 2011, sure. It's not like we're winning anything this season with him. Although, isn't Rogers still kinda young?
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Browns are garbage and have no talent right now I would say yes to Merriman without even hesitating
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So for a 5th round pick you wouldn't even try him out?
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it'd take at least a 3rd. this guy was a mutliple pro-bowler. someone would bite on that. cowboys?
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I opened and read this thread and for a second I thought for sure I was in an Indians thread.. midseason before the deadline, consider trading away any and all talent for some draft picks and a few minor leaguers to be named later... 
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it'd take at least a 3rd. this guy was a mutliple pro-bowler. someone would bite on that. cowboys?
I hope Kokinis makes it clear it takes two first rounders, and no less..........
first rounder could be substituted with Darrelle Revis (alone), or Davis Harris or Kerry Rhodes (and second).
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We don't need him anyway. We have the insanely smart, 52nd player in the 2009 draft David Veikune just waiting to explode off the bench. Swing.....and another miss... 
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It seems that Merriman and Travis Hafner have something in common. Both had monster years while on roids. The difference is Hafner never got caught.
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Browns are garbage and have no talent right now I would say yes to Merriman without even hesitating
You haven't been watching the Chargers then, because Merriman is garbage too.
It's funny listening to the sports talk guys around here saying how "Merriman needs to step up" while ignoring the fact that the only way he's going to "step it up" is to go back on roids. They seem to conveniently forget that he was not just suspected, but actually caught using them ... and his production disappeared shortly after. Couple that in with his character issues, I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near the Browns.
We just traded away two guys with character issues for pennies on the dollar ... and those guys were at least producing. (Okay, maybe not so much in Braylon's case). As far as the Chargers, I'm wondering if Cromartie was also on the juice. Had a breakout first season, and then has been non-existent since Merriman got busted.
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Im not sure some people completely understand exactly what steroids do and don't do.
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Merriman is not playing at the level before his knee injury. I think this year is pretty much rehab.
It is well known that he and AJ Smith do not get along. He is gone after this year anyway. The drafting of Larry English was made this obvious.
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Hack, we could always look at Lyle Alzado to see what roids will do to ya.
I remember when he was with the Browns. He used to visit a donut shop that my dad and I would go to... One very huge dude. Then you see what he dwindled away to and finally died way to young.
I wonder what these guys think they will get away with..
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I'm wondering if Cromartie was also on the juice. Had a breakout first season, and then has been non-existent since Merriman got busted.
Could also be that there is some kind of relationship between how good your corners look and how good your pass rush is... take away that pass rush and even good corners all of the sudden don't look so good.
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All that is proven Toad is that he got caught using steroids in 07 off season??? Possibly to try and get the Knee to heal faster as it was hurting??? who knows.
That doesn't make him guilty of Steroid use in all the areas that you DEEM SO and STATE SO cause you Feel like it.
Most players who use Steroids or other linked to steroids that are illegal are not for cheats but for HEALING.
The fact that soon after he needed surgery on his KNEE might be where in lies the fact on WHY he was using Steroids at that given point and why.
Ya MEAN all those other years INCLUDING THE EXTENSIVE TESTING AT THE COMBINE they didn't test Merriman for Steroids 
Come on what you are going on is his weight listed on the PROGRAM for the Terps Season and then gained 20 pounds at one of those AGENT CAMPS.
yet we have seen Jamal White gain over 20 pounds from the End of a season to the start of Camps just nary a couple of months? You mean how Triple A has gained 20 pounds since being drafted by the Browns?
DQ from his rookie season to the next?
Twenty pounds of Muscle added on in a Controlled 24/7 environment is more than certainly doable.
Am I saying with certainty that he NEVER used steroids before...actually I'm pretty sure he has turned to Steroids on several occasions and it was to HEAL from an injury not to CHEAT likes he's the Russian in a Rocky Movie. 
As for his production this season....we all know or have seen that in the 2nd years from major knee surgery the player get back to 100%...he's just not quite there yet and some of the Dynamics of the Defense just are not there.
I think Savage passed on him due to character things...I seriously doubt M/K would look to invest a lot in him....But MAN o MAN - I'd love to see him here. He would make everyone around him look better. Wimbley and him could move around on passing downs and cause havoc on the QB with us just rushing 4 - Heck I'd love to see Him Wimbley and Rogers in the Middle and see what we could do with those 3...Our blitz packages would improve. And QB mistakes would go up.
Merriman is the type of LB you can build a Defense around. I'd love to see him here.
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Wasn't Wimbley drafted to be the Browns version of Merriman?
Bringing in Merriman sounds like a desperation move and not a long term answer.
Phil Savage passed on alot of impact players as a GM.
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Hack, we could always look at Lyle Alzado to see what roids will do to ya.
I remember when he was with the Browns. He used to visit a donut shop that my dad and I would go to... One very huge dude. Then you see what he dwindled away to and finally died way to young.
I wonder what these guys think they will get away with..
There has never been any proof connecting Steroids and Alzado except Alzado saying it. As a matter of fact even his own doctors said that no...steroids did not cause it.
Millions of people end up with brain cancer....not to many were on the juice.
Steroids do have side effects...but to date cancer has never been proven as one of them.
I watched a documentary on steroids....some of the guys in it have been taking them for 30 years...with no side effects outside of the desired ones.
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Steroids have been linked to cancer in quite a few studies. The most thorough was this one of the East German olympians:
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All that is proven Toad is that he got caught using steroids in 07 off season??? Possibly to try and get the Knee to heal faster as it was hurting??? who knows.
Doesn't matter why. All that matters is he did it.
He was suspected of it, then he was caught red-handed. Case closed.
People can choose to believe whatever they want to believe regarding when and how and if he did them, but none of it matters because he did.
And you know what? If he did them once, he did them MORE than once. You even admit it. However, you try and excuse it by saying it's just to "heal a wounded knee"
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Most players who use Steroids or other linked to steroids that are illegal are not for cheats but for HEALING.
I've found statements like this to be somewhat comical over the years.
Of COURSE they are for "healing."  To heal muscle tissue you tear when lifting weights to get stronger. To maintain strength and weight when the wear-and-tear of the season would normally make you lose mass.
It's ALL about "healing faster" and that "healing faster" is CHEATING.
Don't even try to justify it. Cheating is cheating. He was a character issue because of many reasons, then he got caught cheating.
Boy...............Nobody saw THAT one coming. 
Still, you're trying to excuse his cheating. Insert whatever reason you'd like. It doesn't matter. Cheating...........is............cheating.
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Come on what you are going on is his weight listed on the PROGRAM for the Terps Season and then gained 20 pounds at one of those AGENT CAMPS
272-245=27 pounds.
Before anyone tries to spin that those 7 pounds doesn't make a difference, it takes true body-builders who've been working out a long time more than a month to put on that kind of pure muscle. It's simply not possible to gain 2 pounds of pure muscle per week without steroids.
So don't try and spin numbers. It wasn't 20 pounds. It was 27 pounds.
Now, give me a shred of evidence that says he weighed other than 245 his last year at Maryland. I'll consider it...................if you can provide it.
Of course most of us remember all the talk at how he magically showed up weighing 272, and how it was amazing he put on that kind of weight so quickly.
You want to debate........give some evidence. You want to disparage the closest thing to an actual official weight, well, give us something else besides pure conjecture.
It was MORE than 20 pounds. Your fudging.
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Uh-huh.
You're fudging........AGAIN...........to try and fit your argument. It ain't working:
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Jamel White added 10 pounds of muscle during the offseason and has been the best running back in the Browns' camp so far. White has been taking repetitions with the backups and has lined up as the third-down back.
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Combine results: 6' 230
Browns current weight: 6' 240.
Lucky you didn't try for a 4th
Quit fudging the numbers. You fudged Merriman, you fudged White, and you fudged Jackson.
Maybe it's too early in the day, but I've no idea who "Triple A" is. Doesn't matter though. Your "proof" is a block of SWISS.
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That's logical. Only problem is having watched him play, he isn't having any problems with that knee. He's running just as wildly and without a hitch as he always did.
It's not like he was playing like Tommie Harris of the Bears, who was out there but clearly favoring his knee.
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He would make everyone around him look better. Wimbley and him could move around on passing downs and cause havoc on the QB with us just rushing 4
Yeah........sure........because Wimbley has been such a disruptive force here in Cleveland.
If Merriman came here, it'd be as Wimbley's replacement.
Merriman has been exposed not only as the fraud and cheater everyone feared he was coming out of college, but now he's damaged goods as well. He's on his way out of San Diego because he wants to yap with the GM.
Sure, that's what we need here: Another Winslow or Edwards.
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I don't know about that Hack,,, I seem to remember quite a few stories about it, even one on ESPN many years ago about Alzado and Roids and how it caused his cancer.. Not sure I can find any, but I'll try..
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Hmmm, you may be right as it relates to Alzado,, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_Alzado#Steroid_use_and_death Quote:
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Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but each of his physicians stated it could not be true, and that while steroids do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer. According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He said:
“ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."[3] ”
Alzado is buried at River View Cemetery in Portland, Oregon.[4]
I guess what I must have been remembering is that HE said he used and asserted that it caused his cancer.
My bad..
Regardless, I still don't want Merriman... to many potential problems.. We have enough to deal with.
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Steroids do have side effects...but to date cancer has never been proven as one of them.
Steroids have been linked to cancer in quite a few studies. The most thorough was this one of the East German olympians:
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Thats the first I have seen of that study.....everything I have read of late disputes that....to a degree.....there was a study saying that anabol could cause liver cancer.....but even that one is being somewhat disagreed upon.
I have read that if you do have cancer...that a steroid could increase it. But ultimately a lot of that also has to do with "use" vs "abuse"
All in all ...I still recommend against taking steroids unless you are far more knowledgeable than I on the topic.....but steroids are not the "bad thing" that has been hung on them.....Steroids are the ultimate anti inflammatory.....As a matter of fact...its one of the first things given to many people with a brain tumor...as it can decrease swelling inside the skull.
but this is way off topic...back to Merriman
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Im not sure some people completely understand exactly what steroids do and don't do.
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They help rebuild muscle faster ... which ultimate means you can do more training, get bigger, faster stronger than other, as well as recover from muscle injuries quicker. What does that have to do with what I said though?
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Could also be that there is some kind of relationship between how good your corners look and how good your pass rush is... take away that pass rush and even good corners all of the sudden don't look so good.
Can't disagree with that, and I'm sure it's playing a part ... but I think Cro' has lost a step as well. A couple of the times he's been burned it was because he would try and jump routes and couldn't get there. This year he seems to be having problems keeping up in general. Jammer and Weddle don't seem to be struggling as much as Cro', yet they deal with the same pass rush.
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General reply: There is so much misinformation in this thread. First, drug use is rampant in the NFL. If you think Merriman is the only or one of the only players that takes or has taken anabolics in the NFL you are certifiably insane. Drug tests can and are beaten. Here's one example. There is literally no difference between synthetic, injectable testosterone (i.e. the first and probably most popular steroid) and the testosterone made naturally by your body. Literally there is no difference-- a ... test can't tell the difference. Rather, testosterone levels vary widely even among men, so there is an allowable range and if you are north of that range, it's a positive test. It sounds unfair but it's the only reasonable explanation, and the the people that say they took a "tainted supplement" or they take "ZMA before bed" are lying through their teeth. Actually, the tainted supplement thing CAN be legit, see starcaps case. Of course they might have been masking something as well-- I have no idea. This guy passed a drug test: http://theswole.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ronniecoleman4ky7.jpgYeah, it's Ronnie Coleman, and it's probably an unfair comparison because literally 100% of professional bodybuilders use anabolics and I'm NOT saying thats the case in football. But the point is that guy passed a drug test, so don't put too much stock in that. Humor yourself: http://www.weightrainer.net/potential.htmlMore relevant, he's already been busted, so a second positive test is a year suspension. His knee exploded once already and he's been largely ineffective since. No thanks. edit: when I said drug use, I meant specifically anabolic drugs (e.g. test, HGH, etc.)
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"Case closed."
Only when it suits you I see
"Of COURSE they are for "healing." To heal muscle tissue you tear when lifting weights to get stronger. To maintain strength and weight when the wear-and-tear of the season would normally make you lose mass.
To bad you don't really know what you're talking about... 
"it takes true body-builders who've been working out a long time more than a month to put on that kind of pure muscle. It's simply not possible to gain 2 pounds of pure muscle per week without steroids."
Why? cause you say so? Any proof? Or do you actually believe stuff like your claim to be equal to Jesus 
"You want to debate........give some evidence. You want to disparage the closest thing to an actual official weight, well, give us something else besides pure conjecture."
You mean like you PROVED IT...Evidence? some numbers you pulled out of where...Where is your proof - ya mean I have to believe you cause you typed it.
Show me proof that is what he weighed at the end of their program....and did you know if they weighed him after a game when you can lose anywheres from 10-15 pounds of WATER WEIGHT...geesh can you be any less informed on a subject.
"It was MORE than 20 pounds. Your fudging."
Cut the crap. Fudging...you mean I'm a liar cause I said 20 pounds. All I was doing was regurgitating your garbage...and remembered 20 as in general you act like its 27 on the dot...again all we got is your word on it.
"Only problem is having watched him play, he isn't having any problems with that knee. He's running just as wildly and without a hitch as he always did."
Gee now you're the team Doctor...is there no end to your Garbage.
"I'm glad we didn't hire you as the GM"
Actually I'm stating exactly what I did in 05 draft stuff when I state a LB to build a 3-4 defense around.
What's scary is you are putting your credibility up on stating that it is wrong to possibly state that again where is your proof unless what you're saying is he's damaged goods cause of the Knee.
If what you are trying to say is that he's nothing without Steroids...you don't know what you're talking about.
" He's on his way out of San Diego because he wants to yap with the GM. Sure, that's what we need here: Another Winslow or Edwards."
Before you hurt yourself from staring at the mirror...you forget that I did stat this. "I think Savage passed on him due to character things...I seriously doubt M/K would look to invest a lot in him."
Not saying we are going to do that...actually I doubt it.
But I still stand by my MAN O MAN drool over having him...and Why would it be to Replace Wimbley...cause you said So? You mean you couldn't see Merriman on the SOLB and Wimbley on the WOLB and actually both changing around a lot.
You just don't get it. We had Wimbley and that was it.
Now we are getting good solid push up the middle from Rogers breaking the pocket...What we need is another...and if that OTHER is better at getting to the QB than Wimbley...how good would that make Wimbley...meaning now all the QB does is step up...and with Rogers now in the equation he Steps up to the Right or Up inside Wimbley cause the other OLB rush is not coming around.
The fact that you don't see the beauty in getting Merriman and adding it too Wimbley and Rogers. I telling in itself.
In your attempt to be brilliant you state something with such certainty as "FOOL, With Wimbley? No Way it would be Replacing Wimbley."
But who is the fool.
Fact is as I stated I would be surprised we would go for him...But sometimes you got to get talent just like Rogers isn't the little Angel - well sometimes you need a BAD ASS especially on Defense.
So it could be possible. As long as he is HEALTHY.
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Now we are getting good solid push up the middle from Rogers breaking the pocket...What we need is another...and if that OTHER is better at getting to the QB than Wimbley...how good would that make Wimbley...
That would be great! ... so why the heck would we want Merriman then??
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"it takes true body-builders who've been working out a long time more than a month to put on that kind of pure muscle. It's simply not possible to gain 2 pounds of pure muscle per week without steroids."
Why? cause you say so? Any proof? Or do you actually believe stuff like your claim to be equal to Jesus
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When it comes to muscle gain there is no dramatic technique or quick fix that will allow you to pack on more muscle naturally. It's better to stay focused and realistic by training hard, eating meticulously and spending time to recuperate properly; this will result in your achieving a more muscular physique. Keep in mind that it's physiologically impossible to gain more than one pound of lean muscle per week.
For most weight-gainers, .5 pounds per week would be an even more realistic goal as they reach their genetic limit. Remember that gaining muscle is a long-term project and not something that can be simply turned on.
I can offer proof all day, yet all you can offer is.............nothing but and and .
You fudged on Merriman's weight-gain and you fudged on White's weight-gain. I proved it to be garbageola.
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"You want to debate........give some evidence. You want to disparage the closest thing to an actual official weight, well, give us something else besides pure conjecture."
You mean like you PROVED IT...Evidence? some numbers you pulled out of where...Where is your proof - ya mean I have to believe you cause you typed it.
It's all over the net I can show you he weighed 245 based on the closest thing you can get to legit, which is his college bio.
Which is more proof than you can produce.
You've got no fallback position here, Eo. All you've got is conjecture.
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The fact that you don't see the beauty in getting Merriman and adding it too Wimbley and Rogers. I telling in itself.
One would have thought you'd have learned the lesson of having character-problem players shown the door in Winslow and Edwards........
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Toad, your link is broken but you are absolutely correct and there is no doubt about it whatsoever.
For non-beginners, .5lbs muscle/week is about the absolute max for a natural. For a player that already has been training for a long time (for example, someone who played division 1a college football), even that is very optimistic and/or unrealistic.
There can be exceptions-- for example a severely underweight high school kid going through their natural steroid cycle (i.e. puberty) that starts a workout plan and eats a lot, you can see some pretty staggering weight gains very quickly. That doesn't apply here though.
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