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wouldn't that be something... I'd love it! goalline on all downs... You know other teams wouldn't have the D staff to stop it all game. They would have to pull their cb's and their fs. I don't know that a team has that much depth at DL or LB to do it all game. line em up rugby style with cribbs lewis and vickers/ Harrison/Jennings in the backfield all game. The wildcat leaves the wr's in this would be purrre smashmouth 
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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WSU Willie: It's not really that hard, the future is very simple to figure out. The Browns future is ZILCH, NOTTA, NONE, NOTHING for one very simple reason. We have an owner ( who has little or no football knowledge ) interviewing, falling in love with and hiring HC's, before getting an experienced GM who knows the NFL. He's done it three times in a row now, that's strike three, Davis, Rac and Mangenious.   Until we hire a top level GM to entirely run the show and hire HIS own HC, the Browns will continue to be a failure.  The only way to stop it is, to stop buying tickets, when the stadium is 80% empty someone might get the message !  
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There is not even 1 decent receiver on the Browns, not even 1.
The coach is the worst thing wrong with the team, because even with talent the coach cant make matchups work or be unpredictable on offense.
Mangini and Kokinis have destroyed this team. The last 3 times the Browns have had a winning season the roster has been dismantled within a year and a half.
There is not enough fan outrage!
There are not enough people calling for Mangini to go away. There is no way it should wait until the end of the season.
They do not even do the basics on offense.
Mangini was a bad hire, Stallworth was a bad hire, not cutting Stallworth earlier was a bad move. K2's release was bad if you include cutting Martin Rucker. Edwards release was scandalous. The draft day trade for elam was a mistake. Sean Jones release was a bad move. Antonio Bryant, Tim Carter, Andre Davis, Quincy Morgan, Dennis Northcutt, lots of talent gone needlessly.
Only Massaquoi would start on the 99 team at receiver. That team had Darren Chivarini and Darren Chivarini was an expansion player who really didn't belong in the NFL in my opinion.
Objectively, Subjectively, or opinion, It is the worst Browns team since 91, it is the worst coached team I can remember, it is insanity to believe in this stuff, the coach should have been gone before today and before the end of the season.
The rb's the db's the te's the wr's the d line, there is no single unit of this team you can believe in that will win the game on a given day.
There is nothing about the team to believe in. except the coaching change.
This team reminds me of the 90 bengals, it was a decade before they competed again.
It is on pace to win 2 games which is half as many as last year, and Man, Kokinis, did so much to reason that the badness of last years team which was on its fourth qb, was reason to make all these changes.
Mangini and Kokinis were a big mistake, and it gets worse every single day!
I still think Mangini was a good hire.
Stallworth WOULD have been gone even before the accident but for Savage giving him a huge GUARANTEED roster bonus, that happened to be paid out the day before his accident. How could you possibly blame M/K for that?
Martin Rucker, the guy Savage TRADED UP to get, has caught 2 NFL passes in 2 years. Brilliant use of a future 3rd round pick there. 
K2 and Braylon weren't released; they were traded. Yes it hurts the team in the short run but those moves were ultimately good for the franchise's future.
The draft day trade for elam netted us a first round pick, a second round pick, 3 players, and a couple 6th's I believe? All while we saved probably $30-40million over the course of that rookie first round contract?
Stop blaming the wrong people.
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Since you asked me I'll give some imput, although I'm still watching a lot of these prospects as much as I'm able...
If the Browns draft the way they should ,they can get some real talent..
QB-I am not real impressed with this group..but to look at a few:
Clausen/Snead-Ole Miss
RB-Charles Scott LSU/Anthony Dixon-Miss St, there are more..these are the big backs..Mark Ingram -Bama
WR-Need one..Brandon LaFell-LSU/Dez Bryant, WR Oklahoma State..there's plenty more.
TE- Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma/Anthony McCoy Southern Cal ..
RG-***Mike Iupati Idaho/ Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts
OT- Jason Fox Miami / Ciron Black Louisiana State ..
Defense..
DT/DE-Ndamukong Suh Nebraska /Terrence Cody Alabama / Tyson Alualu California ..
DE/OLB-Greg Hardy Ole Miss /Corey Wootton Northwestern / Ricky Sapp Clemson George Selvie South Florida /Eric Norwood South Carolina/Sergio Kindle Texas ..
ILB- Brandon Spikes Florida /Rolando McClain-Bama
CB-Brandon Ghee Wake Forest /Perrish Cox -OSU/Jerome Murphy-S.Florida..
Safety-Eric Berry-Tenn/ Taylor Mays-USC/Justin Woodall -Bama/Kam Chancellor -VT..
If the Browns get a few more high picks and aquire at least 5 of these players , the upgrades will start..if they draft more complementary players ..well forget about it.
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Can Gresham block ? I am going to assume so, since Oklahoma seems to have 200 yards rushing every game. I would not be unhappy to target this kid at TE.
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Yes he can block..but dude can catch..
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With the current people and structure, this team has a zero chance to succeed. Just as I screamed and bellored last winter when Lerner went out and got a proven loser and then gave him total control.
Talent available in the draft or FA that would fit are pretty much useless if you don't have people to make the correct calls and choices.
This team has gotten worse considerbly since EM has taken over, IMO, its gonna keep sliding backwards until we essentially have anarchy, tv blackouts, and everyone in the NFL world not only laughing at us, but laughing out loud, drive off the road and crash, stomach cramping, crying and coughing laughing at us.
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Well actually I'm an expert in everything - didn't you know that
I'll do an overall and get into some specifics...even though I know everything I don't have the time to get into everything.
First and Foremost...WE NEED A QB!!! I know its not DA, is it BQ - why the heck don't we play him. I respect Mangini, Daboll and Smith - if they determine that this garbage from DA is better than what BQ can give...then I will ASSUME we just do not have a QB here.
OL...I'll get in specifics.
1. OL is a UNIT not a position. I think all positions are Upgradeable...but I'm sure we all will agree maybe, just maybe, JOE THOMAS is the best Left Tackle in the NFL.
The UNIT can only be a UNIT if they play together. Point in question. McKenzie of the Giants was out and the youngster came in (who did pretty good) they had interviewed SNEE?? and he was stating how they break the huddle and him and McK just nod or say one word and they know what they are doing. Meanwhile on cue you see Snee pointing out somebody to the new guy at RT - I've coached OL and on a pretty high level. Communication is the most important thing out there.
You cannot just draw a play like Vince Lombardi...You get him...You get him and you got a SEAM...Done! They move around so much - the D will blitz Gaps and blocking with the OL is all about Angles...as an OL coach if you give your guys all the right Angles...You can succeed even if your talent level is not greater than the opponents. But you have to have that communication with each other...So good that even a nod or a ONE WORD call and all is understood. For example my guys (their choice of word) "Twizzle" That meant they were going to do a fold block....Cause the DT went into 3 Technique and we want the 6 hole the OT would take the DT and the RG would fold block and pull into the 6 hole and blow out the DE the Center now would have to communicate if a LB is blitzing that A gap or they get a Double on the DT and slide to ILB? But its all communication. When I started coaching them they would come up to me at halftime and we would make adjustments. Then it started to be after the first series. I would ask - OK what's going on out there talk to me...who, what, where and we make adjustments. Well after a while...they were able to break their huddle and see, know, understand and make adjustments right there.
Now as high as our level was....it was miniscule on what goes on out there in the NFL...So what we were able to do within a Season...Takes a lot longer to achieve in the NFL. But even so the more you got the communication down pat...the more you can feed them. More Traps, Zone Blocking...Double teams with a Go...somebody Go to the LB releasing the double team. How to Release...the other OLman to know and feel the release cause he has to slide and Seal the DLman properly or else the DLman will slide off to the Releasing OLman side and penetrate.
Talent....Joe T is a keeper. Mack is a keeper, he's going to get better n better Steinbach is more than Serviceable but eventually needs to be upgraded but the last of the upgrades needed.
RG - Womack, I don't like at all. Fraley is nowhere close to a RG but I think he's better right now than Womack (better communication goes a long way). St. Clair believe it or not is better than Shaffer. He was Horrific his first few games so all have a very bad first impression. But he has been Serviceable the last 3 games.
So upgrades are needed #1 RG, #2 RT and #3 LG But we could survive with #2 n #3 as communications get better with the UNIT. I think right now RG is the most important UPGRADE to put them together as a Unit. Tucker we didn't release but kept....One more healthy year he could be the key...but draft a RT who can play RG his first year or two...high with talent - similar to a Loadholt. And we should be on our way.
We have across the board I would say middle of the road TALENT in NFL standards to evaluate our OL as a UNIT. Communication or lack of it...can make the UNIT higher Grade or Lower. I'm torn cause we never have had a consistent OL and I'd like for us to have the same guys for 3 or more seasons playing together. But I'm torn cause I would love MORE TALENT in those Upgrade positions.
JMHO...got to run!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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