|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465
Dawg Talker
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465 |
Good idea or bad. Maybe a good idea financially for the league but I think its a bad idea for the fans. Are they going to expand or relocate? Hopefully not expansion because I dont want to see the leagues talent thinned out more than it is now. Also, Swarcheneger just signed a bill to build a new 75,000 seat stadium in LA. I dont see him signing that bill unless he heard thru the grapevines that a team would be willing to move there. Its way too early to start planning for an Olympics. If they are going to relocate I think they would move to LA before England or Germany. For whatever reason, Kraft thinks its a good idea. Is the NFL running out of ways to collect revenue because its too hard for small market teams to keep up with the inflating salary cap? Is there even going to be a salary cap? If the NFL added more teams to LA and in Europe and there is no salary cap, I think the NFL is going to start having the same problems as MLB. This article is a little off topic but its what gave me the idea for this post and it does say Kraft likes the idea of the NFL in England or Germany. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12410455Pats' Kraft wants to see soccer salary cap before he buys in Oct. 23, 2009 CBSSports.com wire reports LONDON -- Billionaire New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft says he is only interested in buying a European soccer club if a salary cap is introduced. Kraft attended a sports summit Friday in London and says he "has looked at some clubs on the continent" and loves the Premier League. But he says he doesn't want to be in a business where "the wallet will determine what kind of players you have." Kraft, who owns the NFL's Patriots and the New England Revolution of the MLS, was linked with buying Liverpool before Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr. took over the Premier League club in 2007. Kraft also said he wants to see an NFL team in Germany and England.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465 |
I dont even like the idea of playing multiple games over there. For those travelers, wouldnt that create jet lag for the teams that have to make the trip? Ive heard players complain about playing preseason over there. It would be just as bad as playing a Monday night game, then a Thursday game. OK, maybe not that bad but still. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12410430Goodell: Multiple games in Britain 'in the next couple of years' Oct. 23, 2009 CBSSports.com wire reports LONDON -- NFL commissioner Roger Goodell expects the league to start playing multiple regular-season games in Britain in the next few years -- an expansion that could lead to putting a franchise in London. Goodell said Friday that "every indicator" shows the British market can support more games and that having a franchise here is of "tremendous interest" to the league. But he stopped short of giving a timeline for expanding the NFL's overseas presence. "The interest and the enthusiasm for our game continues to grow, and we want to feed that," Goodell said. "We want to respond to that by hopefully bringing more to the UK." Goodell spoke at a sports conference Friday ahead of Sunday's game between the New England Patriots and Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Wembley Stadium. It's the third year in a row that the NFL is staging a regular-season game in London, and the league is now looking into playing at least two games a year in Britain, he said. Aside from London, Manchester and Glasgow, Scotland, are being looked at as potential venues. "I expect that sometime in the next couple of years, we could be playing multiple games here," Goodell said. "If we brought more than one game here, and it continues to have the same kind of enthusiasm and growth of interest, I think that is about as good of an indicator you can get that it could successfully support a franchise. And that's what we're looking at." Staging a Super Bowl abroad, however, "is not something that is under active consideration," he said. Patriots owner Robert Kraft said moving an NFL team to London "would be the right thing to do some time in the next decade." However, if the league wants more of the current franchises to travel to London for games, the regular season should be extended to 18 games so that teams can keep the same number of home games, Kraft said. The Bucs are giving up a home game this season. "I'm not sure our fans would appreciate us giving up a regular-season [home] game, and I know I wouldn't like to do that. But eventually I think there's a chance of that if we expand the schedule," Kraft said. Goodell said he would prefer it if a potential London-based team was a completely new franchise, rather than moving one from an existing market. "We would like to keep all our teams where they are," he said. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady didn't sound too enthusiastic about playing for a team based in Europe, however. "That would be challenging," Brady said. "But I don't see that happening any time soon." The league is also eyeing the possibility of having a team in Los Angeles again -- especially after California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill this week allowing the construction of a 75,000-seat stadium that developers hope will lure an NFL team back to the L.A. area. "I think there are some positive developments going on there," Goodell said. "But now we have to figure out how to pay for it. And in our economic system, that is a big challenge. It's at least an $800 million stadium." He would not venture a guess as to what would come first -- a team in London or Los Angeles. "I don't know about the timing as far as the sequence," he said. "I would tell you that both markets are of tremendous interest to us."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
it'd have to be the international pigskin league or something. i very much doubt the rest of the world will be receptive to the nfl being the true "football"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,758
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,758 |
Quote:
. Also, Swarcheneger just signed a bill to build a new 75,000 seat stadium in LA. I dont see him signing that bill unless he heard thru the grapevines that a team would be willing to move there.
Technically, Arnold did not sign a bill to build a new 75,000 seat stadium in LA..(That implies California is funding it)... He signed a bill to ALLOW a 75,000 seat stadium to be built in City of Industry after a small homeowners group in a neighboring city (Walnut) was trying to stop it by forcing them to go through further extraneous enviornmental reviews.. The developer of the stadium already worked out a deal with the City of Walnut... but some rich people think it will disturb their way of life..
![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](http://i.imgur.com/FUKyw.png) "Don't be burdened by regrets or make your failures an obsession or become embittered or possessed by ruined hopes"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802 |
The biggest question that I find myself concerned with is, "Which teams are possibilities to move?"
The only two I can think of that stand out to me are Buffalo and St. Louis. I don't want to think about our team moving, again. That would about do it for me. But I think we have too good of a stadium this time around. If you have a good stadium, you're there to stay.
Other possibilities?
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Formerly 4yikes2yoshi0
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,758
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,758 |
Quote:
The biggest question that I find myself concerned with is, "Which teams are possibilities to move?"
The only two I can think of that stand out to me are Buffalo and St. Louis. I don't want to think about our team moving, again. That would about do it for me. But I think we have too good of a stadium this time around. If you have a good stadium, you're there to stay.
Other possibilities?
Jacksonville.... Minnesota(though with the season they are having.. i doubt it) Oakland(you never know with Al Davis
"Don't be burdened by regrets or make your failures an obsession or become embittered or possessed by ruined hopes"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465 |
Quote:
The biggest question that I find myself concerned with is, "Which teams are possibilities to move?"
The only two I can think of that stand out to me are Buffalo and St. Louis. I don't want to think about our team moving, again. That would about do it for me. But I think we have too good of a stadium this time around. If you have a good stadium, you're there to stay.
Other possibilities?
Im thinking Jacksonville. Florida has 3 teams and Jax is already having trouble filling their stadium. We all know how hard it is to fill a stadium in Florida unless its college or they are making a run for the playoffs. There is already so much to do in that state. Maybe even Tampa? Miami aint going anywhere.
Before Katrina I would have said the Saints. Remember even Ricky Williams alianated fans by saying the team should move to San Antonio. But the Saints put too much money into repairing the dome and the Saints coming back to New Orleans gave new hope for rebuilding(yeah right, half that area if not more still isnt being touched and is a huge mess)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465 |
Quote:
Quote:
. Also, Swarcheneger just signed a bill to build a new 75,000 seat stadium in LA. I dont see him signing that bill unless he heard thru the grapevines that a team would be willing to move there.
Technically, Arnold did not sign a bill to build a new 75,000 seat stadium in LA..(That implies California is funding it)... He signed a bill to ALLOW a 75,000 seat stadium to be built in City of Industry after a small homeowners group in a neighboring city (Walnut) was trying to stop it by forcing them to go through further extraneous enviornmental reviews.. The developer of the stadium already worked out a deal with the City of Walnut... but some rich people think it will disturb their way of life..
Thanks for the correction  Either way its a step closer for LA getting a team. I think more along the lines of relocating and not expansion. With all the bad teams this year I dont think owners and fans, even want to think about expansion.
I think it wouldnt be a smart move at all to move just one team to Europe. It wouldnt work unless they had their own division. I couldnt imagine a team having to fly across the ocean 8 times a season. They would be at a huge disadvantage. Maybe if they had 6 games to play against division rivals in their own continent. Even then, they dont have enough Europe players to try to make homegrown talent. NFL Europe didnt work.
I think the NFL would be better off working with the UFL to have players stay in shape and use it as a minor league for teams needing players after the UFL is over around Thanksgiving. Maybe add 2 Europe teams to the UFLs 4 team league, but like I said, NFL Europe already didnt work.
I couldnt imagine a player being happy to move his family to England and have a 50% income tax. You already hear about NBA players not wanting to play in Toronto because of their taxes. Jerry Jones or Mike Brown couldnt own a team over there because a felon wouldnt be allowed to get a visa.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802 |
Jacksonville built their stadium in what, 1995 or something? It's still relatively new, isn't it? Because of that I think they're kind of safe. Then again, their market doesn't give me that much confidence. Aren't the Jaguars their only major sports team? As far as the Vikings... http://www.vikings.com/stadium/new-stadium.htmlThey're pushing the issue forward this year about getting a new stadium built. They just have a few more years at the Metrodome which is an outdated stadium. I think as long as they push that to the forefront and get moving on that, they're set and I don't see Ziggy Wilf moving them. The Raiders? I'd have to say they would be the most ideal team to move there. The San Francisco area doesn't need two teams and their stadium is an old, outdated cookie-cutter. I'd have to say St. Louis, Buffalo, and Oakland need to have top consideration.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Formerly 4yikes2yoshi0
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465 |
My bad refs. I forgot this was being discussed in tailgait. I was thinking it could be pure football because of relocating and expansion. I think expansion could water down the league much like MLB is now. Maybe not basketball because they only have 12 man rosters compared to the size of MLB and NFL teams. As much as I hate what relocating did to Cleveland I wouldnt wish that on another city. But its not like Florida has a bunch of die hards anyways. Most of them are from the northeast and end up liking whoever is better at the time, their hometown team or their new local team. i had a buddy move down there and he told me OSU didnt have a chance against Miami. Like everyone else was saying at the time before they won the championship. Aftre OSU won he went all out OSU. Now he makes fun of me for the Browns and Indians after all the games his parents took us to.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
1. I don't see the other NFL owners allowing Al Davis to get the cash-cow LA market back. He has been such a thorn in their side that they lied to him about the Rams moving to St. Louis (thus getting him to move to Oakland instead of Anaheim before the Rams moved forward with their plan). 2. JAX does has a pretty ironclad lease despite the tough market. Better chance they draft Tebow and every other Gator, Seminole, Hurrciane and Bulldog they can muster to try to get more fans in the seats. http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/122902/jag_11340226.shtml3. SD has been discussed but there are plans for a new stadium in SD. If they fall then they are the most obvious choice. 4. Bills - only if Ralph Wilson dies (and starts spinning in his grave)....and even then, I think Toronto has the inside edge on them. 5. Saints - They got a sweetheart deal and is now pretty much married to NO. 6. Rams - the most likely team in my mind. Lease expires in 2015 unless they pretty much get a new stadium (possibility of upgrades). Team has been talked about being for sale a bunch already this year and it sure would sweeten the pot with LA being part of the deal. And, history does matter to the NFL and LA and the Rams have some (sure they got divorced, but still).
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
This would be a bad idea. I'm ok with playing a game over there once in a while. But not expanding to Europe. The travel alone would be ridiculous. I don't really see how it could be all that profitable.
I think the Chargers will eventually move back to LA. I heard that the Raiders(no shock there), or 49ers were also mentioned besides the Chargers. Can't see the 49ers moving anywhere let alone LA. It wouldn't shock me one bit to see Al Davis moving to LA again.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,086
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,086 |
Going overseas would be different and start to take the NFL brand global; which is what I'm sure they want. Think of all the $$$ missed out on by being an American only sport.
Last edited by CDawg; 10/23/09 06:47 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
Going overseas would be different and start to take the NFL brand global; which is what I'm sure they want. Think of all the $$$ missed out on by being an American only sport.
I don't see a big profit in it. The NFL already makes money abroad. Having to travel back and forth would cut into that profit, IMO.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292 |
I'd like to see they drop about four franchises, instead of expanding.
I'd hate to see Buffalo lose their team, btw. Their fans deserve better and they supported us when Satan stole the Browns.
![[Linked Image from i28.photobucket.com]](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/shadedog/mcenroe2.jpg) gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
I'd like to see they drop about four franchises, instead of expanding.
I'd hate to see Buffalo lose their team, btw. Their fans deserve better and they supported us when Satan stole the Browns.
Which 4 teams are you thinking of?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292 |
If had my way?
Nothing to do with fan support for these teams or their value to the league, just the four I'd drop: Jags, Panthers, Titans, uh... Ravens (why not? hahaha).
gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
If had my way?
Nothing to do with fan support for these teams or their value to the league, just the four I'd drop: Jags, Panthers, Titans, uh... Ravens (why not? hahaha).
Interesting. I was thinking Jacksonville, Carolina, St Louis, maybe.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292 |
Yeah the Rams have hired someone to find a buyer...
I was just reading this instant an article that they could be a team to move (back) to L.A.
gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,663
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,663 |
I just got done reading that same article. Seems almost likely given the way the developer is moving in LA. What with him paying for it with all Private funding and has already dropped over 10 mil of his own.
KeysDawg
The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. - Carl Sagan
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292 |
Interesting that the article said three oldest NFL venues are the ones in California... because taxpayers out there don't like paying for stadiums.
gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246 |
I hate the idea. It may be more of a novelty in England than a 17-20 week every week event they would go to. How would overseas travel affect players every week or other teams budgets and practice time. I wonder about the logistics of it.
I understand the economics of expansion, and Goodel seems intent on expanding the markets internationally, however, didn't we do that with NFLE?
What would really chafe my rear is if that new expansion team (the London Whatevers) won the superbowl before the Browns. Or Lerner thinks of selling the Browns to own a team there . . . .
As for the thought of actually contracting? Of course that would never end up on the radar but I would lose two teams---Jacksonville and Arizona. I don't think, despite going to the super bowl, Arizona has a large following. I could be wrong though.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
Interesting that the article said three oldest NFL venues are the ones in California... because taxpayers out there don't like paying for stadiums.
The taxes out here are high enough (9.25%) without raising them for a stadium. That's why Californians don't like to use taxes on stuff like that.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
What would really chafe my rear is if that new expansion team (the London Whatevers) won the superbowl before the Browns.
Oh for God sake. That would kill me. Thanks for bring that up.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 194
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 194 |
I'm thinking Ravens, Bengals, Jags, and Panthers. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802 |
Quote:
Quote:
What would really chafe my rear is if that new expansion team (the London Whatevers) won the superbowl before the Browns.
Oh for God sake. That would kill me. Thanks for bring that up.
It would still be better than if they moved OUR team agaim, though...
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Formerly 4yikes2yoshi0
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,086
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,086 |
Quote:
Quote:
Going overseas would be different and start to take the NFL brand global; which is what I'm sure they want. Think of all the $$$ missed out on by being an American only sport.
I don't see a big profit in it. The NFL already makes money abroad. Having to travel back and forth would cut into that profit, IMO.
Selling out stadiums over there with 70k+, merchandise, food, etc.
It's incredibly profitable and taking a flight there and back would not offset those costs.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
What would really chafe my rear is if that new expansion team (the London Whatevers) won the superbowl before the Browns.
Oh for God sake. That would kill me. Thanks for bring that up.
It would still be better than if they moved OUR team agaim, though...
I'm not so sure about that these days.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 172 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Going overseas would be different and start to take the NFL brand global; which is what I'm sure they want. Think of all the $$$ missed out on by being an American only sport.
I don't see a big profit in it. The NFL already makes money abroad. Having to travel back and forth would cut into that profit, IMO.
Selling out stadiums over there with 70k+, merchandise, food, etc.
It's incredibly profitable and taking a flight there and back would not offset those costs.
You will have to worry about scheduling, jet lag, the cost of flying a whole team with coaches and equipment. It's going to cost more than you think.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 164
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 164 |
Hopefully we can get Lerner to pack up this team and move them over there, leave us the Browns name is all i care about take this whole freaking team with ya and don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Then find a new owner that wants to build a real Browns team.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,936
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,936 |
Quote:
Goodell: "Multiple games in Britain 'in the next couple of years"
After today's debacle, I'm thinking they could have one of the Browns' home games if they want. It'd be one less embarassment I'd have to PAY for. 
[color:"white"]"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
-- Mark Twain [/color]
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246 |
The only way I see London getting a team is if they get to work outside of a Division. They get into the playoffs based on record. Remember An 18 week schedule is in talks as well... IMO for the safety of the players there should be a second bye week and have a 17 weeks played season. London would then have the opportunity to schedule 9 different teams for home games the 9 teams that do go over to London either are just off of one of their bye weeks or are going into one of their bye weeks. London would also have to have a training facility in states for the long road trips, that way they don't have to fly all the way back to London after every game. (Being that there is no Concord anymore) If the NFL were absolutely serious about expanding they'd start at the very bottom. Donate to youth programs, get a hold of College/University students, create official semi-pro leagues abroad.' They should also do more to support this initiative http://www.ifaf.info/
Last edited by The Collector; 10/27/09 02:17 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248 |
Like I mentioned above ... rather than expanding to 18 games ... make it 17 games, and take away a preseason game. The "17th game" could be played on a neutral site, and give these cities like London, Toronto, LA, etc some home games.
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum NFL expanding to Europe?
|
|
![[Linked Image from i45.tinypic.com]](http://i45.tinypic.com/adhq2o.gif)
