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The other question is what consequences will this move have in the eyes of potential free agents?
it makes the organization look cheap, and will make every FA question whether we will allow them to reach clauses in their contract.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.......Anyone, be it a current player or FA will think twice before agreeing to any kind of playing clause...if they feel there is a chance they could be benched for only salary cap reasons....and whether its true...or not...it feels and looks like its true...when you bench Quinn based off of bad play...yet continue to back DA while he is playing worse.
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The other question is what consequences will this move have in the eyes of potential free agents?
it makes the organization look cheap, and will make every FA question whether we will allow them to reach clauses in their contract.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.......Anyone, be it a current player or FA will think twice before agreeing to any kind of playing clause...if they feel there is a chance they could be benched for only salary cap reasons....and whether its true...or not...it feels and looks like its true...when you bench Quinn based off of bad play...yet continue to back DA while he is playing worse.
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That brings me back to something I've thought about. Could it be that BQ is not well liked by the players or the coaches? I've defended DA, but holy crap he isn't exactly lighting it up.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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maybe ... just maybe .... The Browns brain trust realizes that the team sucks ..... and that the QB under Center will be reviled, hated, and abused ....... that he has no receivers to throw to .... and that it's a no win situation .....
So they feel that Anderson is better suited to handle that kind of situation given the fan reaction to him already.
Rrrright... thats really eye opening...in that U actually belie dat..
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it's not bad play or money exclusively. it's why pay extra in escalators, thus raising quinn's salary for future seasons, lowering his trade value (due to the higher salary) while getting arguably the same product? why add to our problems by having TWO overprised qbs? it's gonna be tough to move him (and DA) as it is already. the real reason why quinn is benched and why DA is still in: Quote:
Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini said he didn’t consider replacing his quarterback, Derek Anderson. He threw out one clue that Anderson will start at Chicago in the last game before the bye:
“We have to keep being able to take some of those shots down the field.”
Brady Quinn’s biggest perceived weakness: Taking shots down the field.
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that's not even touching on, for whatever reason, the staff just prefers DA. these two quotes are from last friday's pressers.
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Why not pull your head out of DA's lower intestine??
(On if he likes Derek Anderson’s approach to dealing with receivers who drop passes)- “I think he needs to handle it, as a quarterback, how he sees fit with the players that he’s been around. The young guys, with Brian (Robiskie) and Mohamed (Massaqoui), he’ll talk to them during practice and in games, when he needs to say something, he’ll say something to them. I’m not going to tell Derek how to act when something like that happens, just like I’m not going to sit there and tell a receiver to rip Derek when he makes a bad throw. I think that’s unfair. How he sees fit to handle it with those guys, go over on the bench, look at a picture. I have trust in him doing it the way he needs to do it.”
That was a idioic remark by Dumboll..Why doesn't Dumboll get off his butt and tell DA to stop throwing into DC every game?
Why doesn't he tell him to stop going immediately with his presnap read and checkdown??
Thats why there's no progress because this pothole won't get up in his QB's mug and tell him he needs to improve his decision making..be ubfair...freakin' joke..  (On what he sees out of Derek Anderson)- “The only observation that I get is, the guy is a leader. The guy is a great leader. You can see the way he runs the team and things. Again, on Sundays, I don’t really see him much, because were over there trying to get our situations fixed. During the week of practice, you really admire a guy that can lead a team. That’s what I admire about Eric Barton on defense and I see the similar type of thing with Anderson on offense. I think the guys respect him. He’s always in the office with (Brian) Daboll and those things. Sometimes he’s bringing Whopper’s with jalapenos to the rest of the coaches that are still there at night, so I appreciate a guy like that. He’s always around and it’s hard not to pull for a guy like him.”
I wish on Sundays I couldn't see Derek either 
Just cuze he's in the office with Dumboll doesn't mean anything is happening..shooting the breeze is more like it..got news for ya..Barton is another one who needs to be replaced..or who should be on the weakside..
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i don't even know what you said but i know you're trying to bait me. look mr. wannabe diam lite, all i see when you reply is Quote:
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Ha..everyone else can see it...and I'm sure one of the other potholes will let you know what I said..
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I really don't want Quinn to start at all this year.. to protect him from a horrendous team..
but if he had too... I wouldn't put him in until the last 3 games... (Chiefs, Raiders, Jags).. those are teams who don't bring much to the table, and would give him momentum, and something to hang his hat on going into 2010 as the STARTER.
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are you saying that is what's happening? or are you speculating?
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Sometimes he’s bringing Whoppers with jalapenos to the rest of the coaches that are still there at night, so I appreciate a guy like that."
This explains it. Eric Mangini. Brian Daboll. Rob Ryan. Whoppers. I should've known. Brady needs to one up DA and stop by Five Guys before his film sessions or we may never see him again. 
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Sometimes he’s bringing Whoppers with jalapenos to the rest of the coaches that are still there at night, so I appreciate a guy like that."
This explains it. Eric Mangini. Brian Daboll. Rob Ryan. Whoppers. I should've known. Brady needs to one up DA and stop by Five Guys before his film sessions or we may never see him again.
And to be honest....none of those guys look like they need whoppers. Maybe someone should bring them a salad instead.
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Anderson had little to say about the team’s play, other than the missed opportunities the offense had on Sunday.
“We left a lot on the field,” Anderson said. “We are 1-6. The amount of effort that we put into each week, we figure we have everything covered going into the game. For some reason, we just can’t carry it over to Sunday.
“It’s very frustrating, nobody likes to lose,” he said. “We have been bad before, but we aren’t a terrible football team.”
Looking for Progress: Mangini said despite the Browns are nearing the midpoint of the season, he’s looking for progress.
“I don’t think anyone is pleased where we are right now,” he said. “We’re going to work at it as diligently as we can. Mistakes are going to be addressed and analyzed. It’s not a sense that things are ok, but it has to be a consistent process of trying to get better.”
Mangini said he doesn’t know how long it will take to turn things around.
“I don’t have a timetable set up, but what we’re looking for is improved progress,” he said. “What do we have to do to get better every day.
“Any time you take over a new situation, it’s a process,” he said. “We have made a lot of progress in the way we want to play. We have to learn to be a consistent player, a consistent team. We have to make good choices every day.”
Mangini said the Browns can win with the players they have now.
“I think we can improve a lot better with the group we have,” he said. “We have shown we can improve better with the group collectively that we have.”
Mangini said he sympathizes with Browns fans not having much to cheer about.
“It’s important for us to give the fans something to cheer about,” he said. “I think we are right where we’ve played ourselves and our record indicates that. The record is what it is and that’s a reflection on what we’ve done to this point. Do I think we’ve made some strides, yes, but we have a long way to go.”
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I feel like my head has been banged against a brick wall regarding this topic and there is no way that a fresh perspective can be had on this.
We have been in the process of polarizing the fanbase on this subject for what, 2 years? It's been discussed TO DEATH.
But if you guys think that 11 million dollars is meaningless in the grand scheme of things? Well, you live in lala land. It has implications for the cap, for the owner and for the team.
There is no way that Linguini can turn the other cheek on this disaster after the hair-trigger policy he had on BQ's head. It's 2 different people. The way he dealt with BQ and the way he's dealing with DA are 2 different people. As the new hire who's absolutely failing, I think he'll be receptive to the "Company Line" especially given the fact that 1. he was booted from his last job amid a cloud of disgust and 2. This town would be dancing in the streets if he was booted right now (amid a cloud of disgust). He either does what they say or he is shown the door without any hesitation whatsoever.
One thing is for sure: barring a monumntal turnaround, there is no way this joke will ever work as the head coach of any team that plays a sport that would even remotely resemble football. Our "Browns" certainly don't resemble that.
It is all about the not-insignificant 11 million.
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On the STO Show Red Zone, they got into some internal issues as to why Quinn will never play this season without an injury to DA. Check it out if you get a chance, its eye opening...
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
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When will that be on again, I want to see it.
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What were those internal issues? Did QB get in another fight with Shaun Smith?
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Real reason is the fact that Quinn isn't getting along with EM and Daboll....which what half way respectable player with a brain would?
Quinn will get to leave after this year, and we'll see what happens when a good coach gets Quinn, and puts him in an NFL offense, with actual NFL players around him.
I think him not playing is a punishment along with losing $11 million dollars.....its not that EM is hurting the team to punish Quinn, he doesnt look at it that way..its instilling "discipline".
Because as bad as Quinn played, Anderson has played even worse, and yet he hasn't been yanked. There are things going on behind the scene that has led to Quinn continuing to sit.
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I found it and have the DVR set to record it, so I'll see what it's all about.
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It will make sense of some things that have been going on. 
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It doesn't look like it. Just saw the commercial for it and it's a live show, not a repeat. Why don't you PM me.
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OR...just post what was said so we can all know.....
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That would be against the rules here.
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???
Was that sarcasm, or are you being serious? Personally, I would love to have someone summarize as I live on the West coast.
Just curious...
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From the Rules of the Pound. The link is located at the upper right corner of every page. Read them. They are your friend.  ... "RUMORS If you cannot cite a source when posting information to the board, please do not post it at all. Saying that you saw something on television or heard it on the radio is not sufficient as a valid source. Rumors do not lend to valid discussion and will be removed when seen by a moderator."
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Well...I wouldn't call that a rumor but ok.
How are the rest of us who can't watch the show supposed to know what's going on?
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are you saying that is what's happening? or are you speculating?
I'll speculate.
Left tackle is one of the toughest positions to play, and he plays it very well. JT routinely shuts down top notch pass rushers. He's a competitive guy, so you know the situation is driving him crazy. He's a class act all the way though so you'll never know (and even I'm just guessing).
The bottom line though is he's signed through at least 2011 (I'm not sure what the terms are of his 2012 voidable year). Then, assuming nothing drastic happens with the new CBA, we'll realistically be able to franchise him at least two more times after that. So at the earliest, he'd be on the market in 2014, and that's a long time to fix the culture of a team and get a deal worked out.
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I have to agree. I'm out of state this week and I'd love to see/hear what was said. I've been to the STO site but cannot seem to find the pertinent area. But if Quinn is being benched to punish him for some perceived indiscretion by Mangini it better be a damned big one or I'd tell Mangenius to look for another calling. Hell, maybe we'll get lucky and everyone on Offense will tell EM to stick it and then he'll have to play the best guys....... 
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I have to agree. I'm out of state this week and I'd love to see/hear what was said. I've been to the STO site but cannot seem to find the pertinent area.
But if Quinn is being benched to punish him for some perceived indiscretion by Mangini it better be a damned big one or I'd tell Mangenius to look for another calling.
Hell, maybe we'll get lucky and everyone on Offense will tell EM to stick it and then he'll have to play the best guys.......
DA may be the best guy, as bad as he is. Considering how everybody is calling for his head now I doubt Gini leaves DA in just out of his own stubbornness.
There's a lot going on in Berea that we don't know.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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So at the earliest, he'd be on the market in 2014, and that's a long time to fix the culture of a team and get a deal worked out.
We've been saying that since 1999. 
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Possible. Not likely. And since we've seen little of Quinn and nothing of Ratliff I'm willing to take a chance or two that DA isn't our best option. Hell, if we really wanted to win a game or 2 there's a pretty good option sitting at home in California waiting for the phone to ring. Jeff Garcia. Although, I'm sure it'd cost us a pretty penny.
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Unfortunately, I doubt that any of it is good.
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Possible. Not likely. And since we've seen little of Quinn and nothing of Ratliff I'm willing to take a chance or two that DA isn't our best option.
If there was any chance of him being better, he'd be playing now. the salary stuff is bs. Learner paid butch and romeo big dollars to leave, being stingy about less money for a fan favorite doesn't make sense. He's either not liked by those who matter or he is worse then DA. If he not liked by coaches or teammates he's not going to be better on the field anyway.
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We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Learner paid butch and romeo big dollars to leave, being stingy about less money for a fan favorite doesn't make sense.
After those first 2.5 games, which fans would those be? Seriously to think that anyone of our QB's is anyone's favorite is a real stretch. Even thinking of them as the lesser of two evils seems complimentary considering what they've provided the fans this season.
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It's a rumor because it is not substantiated by a valid source. There is no one with any credentials to back it up as true.
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How are the rest of us who can't watch the show supposed to know what's going on?
Well, it is a TV show. And, we are all on the internet. Perhaps if we went to the source they have an article or a video clip or an opportunity for fans to make comments on what was said. It still may not be true but if there's some info on it at least we could hear the actual rumor and make up our own minds to believe it or not.
But this board is not the place for rumors in my opinion.
There is a good reason things are not allowed to be posted on here without disclosing a valid source. If it were allowed, then any idiot, like me for instance, could say I heard or saw anything I chose to make up, and others, like you for instance, may believe me. That would suck. Especially if I made it up. The message board would lose any and all of it's value as a trusted source of Browns news if everyone was allowed to vent opinions disguised as facts. We'd all end up being dupes and not know what to believe.
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Oh, and btw, it's my opinion that if DA stinks it up vs. the Bears as he has so far then Brady Quinn will start after the bye. That's for two reasons: 1) Any consideration of escalator money will be gone, and 2) Just how long can Mangini carry on this stance of, "DA gives us the best chance to move the ball", as that would make 4 games in a row in which DA not has not moved the ball?
Sooner or later he simply has to get off that BS. The escalators being gone, the bye week, and DA being the worst QB in the league for four weeks in a row would give Mangini an out for this bad decision he's gotten himself into.
On the other hand, true to his Modus Operandi, DA will likely "move the ball" just enough vs. the Bears so Mangini can continue this charade.
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All pertinent info is on the STO forum under a thread called "the point after". Be certain to read it in it's entirety. They didn't miss a thing that happened on that show.
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It really is about the money.
It will free up cap space (if there is one) to allow free agent pick ups.
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are you saying that is what's happening? or are you speculating?
I'll speculate.
Left tackle is one of the toughest positions to play, and he plays it very well. JT routinely shuts down top notch pass rushers. He's a competitive guy, so you know the situation is driving him crazy. He's a class act all the way though so you'll never know (and even I'm just guessing).
The bottom line though is he's signed through at least 2011 (I'm not sure what the terms are of his 2012 voidable year). Then, assuming nothing drastic happens with the new CBA, we'll realistically be able to franchise him at least two more times after that. So at the earliest, he'd be on the market in 2014, and that's a long time to fix the culture of a team and get a deal worked out.
Let me add to the speculation. This weekend while I was in town for the Packers/Browns, I was up at the BlindPig for the Browns Backer get together where Kevin Mack was the guest. Well, a few years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Joe Thomas's Mother, Grandfather, Grandmother and Aunt and Uncle in the Holiday Inn Lakeside. They were extremely nice people and were actually started the conversation with me. So I was impressed by how cool they were!
Well, as I stand in the large crowd at the Blind Pig on Saturday, low and behold Joe Thomas's Aunt and Uncle, and his Grandparents are in the house.
They are all decked out in Joe Thomas gear, the number 73 all over the place, pics of Joe in his high school uni sewn into their clothing and all sorts of cool stuff. So I start talking to Joe's uncle. They are all HUGE Packer fans. So I say to him, how would you have felt if Joe was drafted by the Packers. He sighed and said, man that would be a dream come true. He then said, to be honest, we haven't given up on that dream.
Now obviously this means nothing. Joe is getting paid quite well and he is performing even better. That being said, if the DICTATOR is still in charge and we are still a pathetic squad, I see that it could be very likely that we lost Joe Thomas at some point down the road. And I wouldn't be one bit suprised it would be to the Packers.
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That seems reasonable.
He was born in Wisconsin and played for the Badgers. The Packers would be a really, really good team with a good tackle. But that in itself doesn't mean anything. It would be like an Ohio player, who went to Ohio State, was drafted by a bad team in the NFC, say the Lions. Of course friends, family, and friends are going to want him to come home. Think of Orlando Pace. The difference there is that he was anchoring one of the great offenses in NFL history.
It's all brainstorming anyway and JT has been the model pro here and I would be honestly amazed if that changed in the future. But if he did want to leave, that's a LONG way away. Or a boatload of draft picks, take your pick.
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moot point....unless something DRASTICALLY changes in the new CBA, we pretty much control JT until he can't play elite levels anymore.
we are NOT letting our franchise LT go....even for a boatload of picks.
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